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fox19891989

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Quote from: Gladimor on August 24, 2014, 07:15:28 PM

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Really bad move on Bittrex part if they fail to execute the deal because buyers had a change of heart.

~BCX~

It's called doing the right thing.
If the Bittrex support team smells a scam, they will do the right thing, and return the money of their customers. See, the thing is this. You are saying that Bittrex's intentions to not execute a deal- if they smell the deal is backed by illegitimate intentions by the other party- is a bad thing?

If the ClusterCoin developer is a scammer, that means that the developer of ClusterCoin won't honor his deal he promised his ICO investors- all those features. So what is stopping Bittrex from not honoring a deal also- when they have evidence that the ClusterCoin developer is a scammer? Last I heard, Bittrex does not deal with scammers. If they realize that they are hosting an ICO for a scammer, they have EVERY RIGHT to cancel the deal.

To the dev of ClusterCoin; if you are a man with legitimate intentions, I am sorry for the position you are currently in. These times are hard on altcoin developers, as a lot of promises remain unfulfilled, leaving investors in the dust. But, when you deliver results, all FUD will vanish, and you will have a very strong community behind you

BUT, if you are a scammer, here are my words for you: Karma will get you.

totally right

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Really bad move on Bittrex part if they fail to execute the deal because buyers had a change of heart.

~BCX~

It's called doing the right thing.
If the Bittrex support team smells a scam, they will do the right thing, and return the money of their customers. See, the thing is this. You are saying that Bittrex's intentions to not execute a deal- if they smell the deal is backed by illegitimate intentions by the other party- is a bad thing?

If the ClusterCoin developer is a scammer, that means that the developer of ClusterCoin won't honor his deal he promised his ICO investors- all those features. So what is stopping Bittrex from not honoring a deal also- when they have evidence that the ClusterCoin developer is a scammer? Last I heard, Bittrex does not deal with scammers. If they realize that they are hosting an ICO for a scammer, they have EVERY RIGHT to cancel the deal.

To the dev of ClusterCoin; if you are a man with legitimate intentions, I am sorry for the position you are currently in. These times are hard on altcoin developers, as a lot of promises remain unfulfilled, leaving investors in the dust. But, when you deliver results, all FUD will vanish, and you will have a very strong community behind you

BUT, if you are a scammer, here are my words for you: Karma will get you.

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Please check this thread!!!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=683158.20
In this thread, you would find two confirmed ico scam dev-USE AND CRYSTAL. One possible scam dev-cluster.
And several other accounts in the same pattern. They are all created, stopped posting and are active again in the same period.

They all posted in the same giveaway thread, talked about nothing about altcoin and technique and then suddenly created an altcoin!!

Bittrex said:
* 3 accounts created in a one month period (how many accounts were created during the bitcoin hype period?)
* said accounts were part of giveaway threads (how many accounts were part of the giveaways?)

Not just created in a one month period. How many accounts were created in that period, stopped posting in December 2013 and then active again in May 2014??
How many accounts were part of giveaways and also devs of ico coins? And what's the possibility of three ico devs(two of them are confirmed scammers) appeared in the same thread and talked about philosophy? Let alone only several people were in this thread and there were at least another three accounts in the same pattern.

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Quote from: BadBear on August 24, 2014, 02:38:34 PM

Quote from: Bittrex-Rami on August 24, 2014, 06:15:46 AM

Quote from: BadBear on August 24, 2014, 03:02:45 AM

If you want IPs, get a legal request for information, such as a court order. It's best to have a "chain of custody" so to speak when it comes to things like this. If we handed out IPs to any random who asked, and violence of some sort ended up happening, then we would be on the hook if we couldn't show a paper trail of who requested the information. If you are on the up and up and don't plan on doing anything illegal, then there shouldn't be any problems with this. Court orders (which, again, are just a legal request for information) are standard when requesting information from third parties.

Thanks for the response BadBear, would you be able to tell us if the accounts in question have overlapping log ins from the same IP? That would answer the question without disclosing any information that could cause you legal or ethical problems. There is a considerable amount of BTC riding on this decision, any help you can render would be greatly appreciated.

R.

Yes they do, though they are shared with many accounts, so it's likely either an unknown proxy/vpn or bought accounts.

Tks very much, you will save several hundreds of victims.

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Quote from: Essex343 on August 24, 2014, 04:35:50 PM

Quote from: BadBear on August 24, 2014, 02:38:34 PM

Quote from: Bittrex-Rami on August 24, 2014, 06:15:46 AM

Quote from: BadBear on August 24, 2014, 03:02:45 AM

If you want IPs, get a legal request for information, such as a court order. It's best to have a "chain of custody" so to speak when it comes to things like this. If we handed out IPs to any random who asked, and violence of some sort ended up happening, then we would be on the hook if we couldn't show a paper trail of who requested the information. If you are on the up and up and don't plan on doing anything illegal, then there shouldn't be any problems with this. Court orders (which, again, are just a legal request for information) are standard when requesting information from third parties.

Thanks for the response BadBear, would you be able to tell us if the accounts in question have overlapping log ins from the same IP? That would answer the question without disclosing any information that could cause you legal or ethical problems. There is a considerable amount of BTC riding on this decision, any help you can render would be greatly appreciated.

R.

Yes they do, though they are shared with many accounts, so it's likely either an unknown proxy/vpn or bought accounts.

I have been using VPN service for a while now, atm I am using purevpn.com. I have no clue who that usecoin dev is and when and how our IPs overlapped.

because you are the same scam!

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Quote from: Essex343 on August 24, 2014, 04:35:50 PM

Quote from: BadBear on August 24, 2014, 02:38:34 PM

Quote from: Bittrex-Rami on August 24, 2014, 06:15:46 AM

Quote from: BadBear on August 24, 2014, 03:02:45 AM

If you want IPs, get a legal request for information, such as a court order. It's best to have a "chain of custody" so to speak when it comes to things like this. If we handed out IPs to any random who asked, and violence of some sort ended up happening, then we would be on the hook if we couldn't show a paper trail of who requested the information. If you are on the up and up and don't plan on doing anything illegal, then there shouldn't be any problems with this. Court orders (which, again, are just a legal request for information) are standard when requesting information from third parties.

Thanks for the response BadBear, would you be able to tell us if the accounts in question have overlapping log ins from the same IP? That would answer the question without disclosing any information that could cause you legal or ethical problems. There is a considerable amount of BTC riding on this decision, any help you can render would be greatly appreciated.

R.

Yes they do, though they are shared with many accounts, so it's likely either an unknown proxy/vpn or bought accounts.

I have been using VPN service for a while now, atm I am using purevpn.com. I have no clue who that usecoin dev is and when and how our IPs overlapped.

All three accounts (Essex343, ShameOnYou, HarryT1923) posted in threads like What Do Philosophers Do? and Do You smoke? tobacco/weed.
All three accounts started IPOs lately without having created a coin before. When You go through the posts You can see, that the post count was raised artificially probably to gain more BTC for signatures.
There are tons of simular accounts in these threads.

My conclusion is:
You bought some of these accounts to start IPOs.
Usecoin (ShameOnYou) is a proven scam, CrystalCoin (HarryT1923) sees no more action after BTC was collected and ClusterCoin got nothing, but a badly cloned code.

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Quote from: BadBear on August 24, 2014, 02:38:34 PM

Quote from: Bittrex-Rami on August 24, 2014, 06:15:46 AM

Quote from: BadBear on August 24, 2014, 03:02:45 AM

If you want IPs, get a legal request for information, such as a court order. It's best to have a "chain of custody" so to speak when it comes to things like this. If we handed out IPs to any random who asked, and violence of some sort ended up happening, then we would be on the hook if we couldn't show a paper trail of who requested the information. If you are on the up and up and don't plan on doing anything illegal, then there shouldn't be any problems with this. Court orders (which, again, are just a legal request for information) are standard when requesting information from third parties.

Thanks for the response BadBear, would you be able to tell us if the accounts in question have overlapping log ins from the same IP? That would answer the question without disclosing any information that could cause you legal or ethical problems. There is a considerable amount of BTC riding on this decision, any help you can render would be greatly appreciated.

R.

Yes they do, though they are shared with many accounts, so it's likely either an unknown proxy/vpn or bought accounts.

I have been using VPN service for a while now, atm I am using purevpn.com. I have no clue who that usecoin dev is and when and how our IPs overlapped.

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Quote from: BadBear on August 24, 2014, 02:38:34 PM

Quote from: Bittrex-Rami on August 24, 2014, 06:15:46 AM

Quote from: BadBear on August 24, 2014, 03:02:45 AM

If you want IPs, get a legal request for information, such as a court order. It's best to have a "chain of custody" so to speak when it comes to things like this. If we handed out IPs to any random who asked, and violence of some sort ended up happening, then we would be on the hook if we couldn't show a paper trail of who requested the information. If you are on the up and up and don't plan on doing anything illegal, then there shouldn't be any problems with this. Court orders (which, again, are just a legal request for information) are standard when requesting information from third parties.

Thanks for the response BadBear, would you be able to tell us if the accounts in question have overlapping log ins from the same IP? That would answer the question without disclosing any information that could cause you legal or ethical problems. There is a considerable amount of BTC riding on this decision, any help you can render would be greatly appreciated.

R.

Yes they do, though they are shared with many accounts, so it's likely either an unknown proxy/vpn or bought accounts.

For additional context: (edited quote for clarity)

Quote

Would an email request from @bittrex.com suffice, or do you really want a legal document? Honestly, I don't even want IPs... if you can just confirm or deny that any of the accounts shared non-tor IPs, that would be enough.

Thanks
richie@bittrex

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I can confirm if they did share an IP at some point, or they used a proxy, specific information like IPs used won't be released though.

The 3 users in your topic have shared an IP at some point, it's not a known proxy. Though it could be an unknown proxy, since there are many accounts associated with the IPs, or they have dynamic IPs which is obfuscating the results, or they/he has dozens of accounts, or they were all bought from a third party, which would account for the results I'm seeing. No way of knowing really. That's all I can tell you.

Thank you for the confirmation. Do I have your permission to oost this publicly that you have confirmed this?

Thanks,
Richie

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Quote from: Bittrex-Rami on August 24, 2014, 06:15:46 AM

Quote from: BadBear on August 24, 2014, 03:02:45 AM

If you want IPs, get a legal request for information, such as a court order. It's best to have a "chain of custody" so to speak when it comes to things like this. If we handed out IPs to any random who asked, and violence of some sort ended up happening, then we would be on the hook if we couldn't show a paper trail of who requested the information. If you are on the up and up and don't plan on doing anything illegal, then there shouldn't be any problems with this. Court orders (which, again, are just a legal request for information) are standard when requesting information from third parties.

Thanks for the response BadBear, would you be able to tell us if the accounts in question have overlapping log ins from the same IP? That would answer the question without disclosing any information that could cause you legal or ethical problems. There is a considerable amount of BTC riding on this decision, any help you can render would be greatly appreciated.

R.

Yes they do, though they are shared with many accounts, so it's likely either an unknown proxy/vpn or bought accounts.

fox19891989

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Quote from: Bittrex-Rami on August 24, 2014, 06:15:46 AM

Quote from: BadBear on August 24, 2014, 03:02:45 AM

If you want IPs, get a legal request for information, such as a court order. It's best to have a "chain of custody" so to speak when it comes to things like this. If we handed out IPs to any random who asked, and violence of some sort ended up happening, then we would be on the hook if we couldn't show a paper trail of who requested the information. If you are on the up and up and don't plan on doing anything illegal, then there shouldn't be any problems with this. Court orders (which, again, are just a legal request for information) are standard when requesting information from third parties.

Thanks for the response BadBear, would you be able to tell us if the accounts in question have overlapping log ins from the same IP? That would answer the question without disclosing any information that could cause you legal or ethical problems. There is a considerable amount of BTC riding on this decision, any help you can render would be greatly appreciated.

R.

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between a rock and a block!

You have been told what to do. Go do it.

fox19891989

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Quote from: CanaryInTheMine on August 24, 2014, 08:39:50 AM

Quote from: fox19891989 on August 24, 2014, 06:50:41 AM

Quote from: Edraket31 on August 24, 2014, 06:36:14 AM

Quote from: Edraket31 on August 24, 2014, 06:04:20 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: fox19891989 on August 24, 2014, 03:07:59 AM

Quote from: BadBear on August 24, 2014, 03:02:45 AM

If you want IPs get a legal request for information, such as a court order. It's best to have a "chain of custody" so to speak when it comes to things like this. If we handed out IPs to any random who asked, and violence of some sort ended up happening, then we would be on the hook if we couldn't show a paper trail of who requested the information. If you are on the up and up and don't plan on doing anything illegal, then there shouldn't be any problems with this.

but we need find proofs to show they are the same scammer, or bittrex may not refund 350 btc to ICO investors, we are fucked by CLUSTERCOIN ico, constant dump after ICO and many possible proofs show they 3 are the same person, it is 350 btc, a big amount of money. If we don't have the proof, I am afraid bittrex won't refund us, we investors will be victims.

You actually think Bittrex will refund you 350BTC because you didn't do your due diligence very well?

Even anyone blind, deaf and dumb would have realized early on what you have too late.

BTW, the forum doesn't take a stand against scams.

~BCX~

Yep! Look at this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annbittrex-ico-clstr-clustercoin-the-future-of-money-sold-out-737636

Crying after panic buying Roll Eyes

fox is a sneaky bastard..... He deleted his post in clstr thread that he panic bought

so what? I bought scam, so you blame me not the scammers?

Yes, you are to blame for falling for a scam. You knew better. It's called greed and visions of dancing sugar plum fairies sprinkling vast riches upon you for "getting in early" polluted your mind.
The fairy sprinkled scammers instead, who are at fault too. You both are guilty.
What you don't understand is responsibility: no one is gonna bail you out here. Stop whining and go get a court order. If you are old enough go see a court clerk and file pro se, if not ask your parent to help.

many investors are scammed, it is escrowed by bittrex, so bittrex request proofs to know that IP. Sorry, I know I was wrong, plz help us because we are helpless

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Quote from: fox19891989 on August 24, 2014, 06:50:41 AM

Quote from: Edraket31 on August 24, 2014, 06:36:14 AM

Quote from: Edraket31 on August 24, 2014, 06:04:20 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: fox19891989 on August 24, 2014, 03:07:59 AM

Quote from: BadBear on August 24, 2014, 03:02:45 AM

If you want IPs get a legal request for information, such as a court order. It's best to have a "chain of custody" so to speak when it comes to things like this. If we handed out IPs to any random who asked, and violence of some sort ended up happening, then we would be on the hook if we couldn't show a paper trail of who requested the information. If you are on the up and up and don't plan on doing anything illegal, then there shouldn't be any problems with this.

but we need find proofs to show they are the same scammer, or bittrex may not refund 350 btc to ICO investors, we are fucked by CLUSTERCOIN ico, constant dump after ICO and many possible proofs show they 3 are the same person, it is 350 btc, a big amount of money. If we don't have the proof, I am afraid bittrex won't refund us, we investors will be victims.

You actually think Bittrex will refund you 350BTC because you didn't do your due diligence very well?

Even anyone blind, deaf and dumb would have realized early on what you have too late.

BTW, the forum doesn't take a stand against scams.

~BCX~

Yep! Look at this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annbittrex-ico-clstr-clustercoin-the-future-of-money-sold-out-737636

Crying after panic buying Roll Eyes

fox is a sneaky bastard..... He deleted his post in clstr thread that he panic bought

so what? I bought scam, so you blame me not the scammers?

Yes, you are to blame for falling for a scam. You knew better. It's called greed and visions of dancing sugar plum fairies sprinkling vast riches upon you for "getting in early" polluted your mind.
The fairy sprinkled scammers instead, who are at fault too. You both are guilty.
What you don't understand is responsibility: no one is gonna bail you out here. Stop whining and go get a court order. If you are old enough go see a court clerk and file pro se, if not ask your parent to help.

fox19891989

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Quote from: Edraket31 on August 24, 2014, 06:36:14 AM

Quote from: Edraket31 on August 24, 2014, 06:04:20 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: fox19891989 on August 24, 2014, 03:07:59 AM

Quote from: BadBear on August 24, 2014, 03:02:45 AM

If you want IPs get a legal request for information, such as a court order. It's best to have a "chain of custody" so to speak when it comes to things like this. If we handed out IPs to any random who asked, and violence of some sort ended up happening, then we would be on the hook if we couldn't show a paper trail of who requested the information. If you are on the up and up and don't plan on doing anything illegal, then there shouldn't be any problems with this.

but we need find proofs to show they are the same scammer, or bittrex may not refund 350 btc to ICO investors, we are fucked by CLUSTERCOIN ico, constant dump after ICO and many possible proofs show they 3 are the same person, it is 350 btc, a big amount of money. If we don't have the proof, I am afraid bittrex won't refund us, we investors will be victims.

You actually think Bittrex will refund you 350BTC because you didn't do your due diligence very well?

Even anyone blind, deaf and dumb would have realized early on what you have too late.

BTW, the forum doesn't take a stand against scams.

~BCX~

Yep! Look at this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annbittrex-ico-clstr-clustercoin-the-future-of-money-sold-out-737636

Crying after panic buying Roll Eyes

fox is a sneaky bastard..... He deleted his post in clstr thread that he panic bought

so what? I bought scam, so you blame me not the scammers?

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Quote from: Edraket31 on August 24, 2014, 06:04:20 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: fox19891989 on August 24, 2014, 03:07:59 AM

Quote from: BadBear on August 24, 2014, 03:02:45 AM

If you want IPs get a legal request for information, such as a court order. It's best to have a "chain of custody" so to speak when it comes to things like this. If we handed out IPs to any random who asked, and violence of some sort ended up happening, then we would be on the hook if we couldn't show a paper trail of who requested the information. If you are on the up and up and don't plan on doing anything illegal, then there shouldn't be any problems with this.

but we need find proofs to show they are the same scammer, or bittrex may not refund 350 btc to ICO investors, we are fucked by CLUSTERCOIN ico, constant dump after ICO and many possible proofs show they 3 are the same person, it is 350 btc, a big amount of money. If we don't have the proof, I am afraid bittrex won't refund us, we investors will be victims.

You actually think Bittrex will refund you 350BTC because you didn't do your due diligence very well?

Even anyone blind, deaf and dumb would have realized early on what you have too late.

BTW, the forum doesn't take a stand against scams.

~BCX~

Yep! Look at this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annbittrex-ico-clstr-clustercoin-the-future-of-money-sold-out-737636

Crying after panic buying Roll Eyes

fox is a sneaky bastard..... He deleted his post in clstr thread that he panic bought

fox19891989

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Quote from: Bittrex-Rami on August 24, 2014, 06:15:46 AM

Quote from: BadBear on August 24, 2014, 03:02:45 AM

If you want IPs, get a legal request for information, such as a court order. It's best to have a "chain of custody" so to speak when it comes to things like this. If we handed out IPs to any random who asked, and violence of some sort ended up happening, then we would be on the hook if we couldn't show a paper trail of who requested the information. If you are on the up and up and don't plan on doing anything illegal, then there shouldn't be any problems with this. Court orders (which, again, are just a legal request for information) are standard when requesting information from third parties.

Thanks for the response BadBear, would you be able to tell us if the accounts in question have overlapping log ins from the same IP? That would answer the question without disclosing any information that could cause you legal or ethical problems. There is a considerable amount of BTC riding on this decision, any help you can render would be greatly appreciated.

R.

hi, BadBear, are you there? Plz help us

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Quote from: BadBear on August 24, 2014, 03:02:45 AM

If you want IPs, get a legal request for information, such as a court order. It's best to have a "chain of custody" so to speak when it comes to things like this. If we handed out IPs to any random who asked, and violence of some sort ended up happening, then we would be on the hook if we couldn't show a paper trail of who requested the information. If you are on the up and up and don't plan on doing anything illegal, then there shouldn't be any problems with this. Court orders (which, again, are just a legal request for information) are standard when requesting information from third parties.

Thanks for the response BadBear, would you be able to tell us if the accounts in question have overlapping log ins from the same IP? That would answer the question without disclosing any information that could cause you legal or ethical problems. There is a considerable amount of BTC riding on this decision, any help you can render would be greatly appreciated.

R.

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: fox19891989 on August 24, 2014, 03:07:59 AM

Quote from: BadBear on August 24, 2014, 03:02:45 AM

If you want IPs get a legal request for information, such as a court order. It's best to have a "chain of custody" so to speak when it comes to things like this. If we handed out IPs to any random who asked, and violence of some sort ended up happening, then we would be on the hook if we couldn't show a paper trail of who requested the information. If you are on the up and up and don't plan on doing anything illegal, then there shouldn't be any problems with this.

but we need find proofs to show they are the same scammer, or bittrex may not refund 350 btc to ICO investors, we are fucked by CLUSTERCOIN ico, constant dump after ICO and many possible proofs show they 3 are the same person, it is 350 btc, a big amount of money. If we don't have the proof, I am afraid bittrex won't refund us, we investors will be victims.

You actually think Bittrex will refund you 350BTC because you didn't do your due diligence very well?

Even anyone blind, deaf and dumb would have realized early on what you have too late.

BTW, the forum doesn't take a stand against scams.

~BCX~

Yep! Look at this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annbittrex-ico-clstr-clustercoin-the-future-of-money-sold-out-737636

Crying after panic buying Roll Eyes

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Quote from: ASICHEAD on August 24, 2014, 04:11:45 AM

Quote from: fox19891989 on August 24, 2014, 03:18:05 AM

Quote from: ASICHEAD on August 24, 2014, 03:14:49 AM

Quote from: fox19891989 on August 24, 2014, 02:59:16 AM

Quote from: Kluge on August 24, 2014, 02:54:53 AM

You're wasting your time. Get a warrant.

are you admin? Because if we have a proof which can show 3 account are logged from one IP, CLUSTERCOIN ico investors can get a 350btc refund from bittrex.

Is it possible to get our money back from Bittrex? Embarrassed

I don't know, you can share your views in IRC. We are trying to let bittrex refund, this shit coin fucks every ICO investors.

Thank you for your effort

they seems blame investors, but not the scammers, disappointed.

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Quote from: fox19891989 on August 24, 2014, 03:18:05 AM

Quote from: ASICHEAD on August 24, 2014, 03:14:49 AM

Quote from: fox19891989 on August 24, 2014, 02:59:16 AM

Quote from: Kluge on August 24, 2014, 02:54:53 AM

You're wasting your time. Get a warrant.

are you admin? Because if we have a proof which can show 3 account are logged from one IP, CLUSTERCOIN ico investors can get a 350btc refund from bittrex.

Is it possible to get our money back from Bittrex? Embarrassed

I don't know, you can share your views in IRC. We are trying to let bittrex refund, this shit coin fucks every ICO investors.

Thank you for your effort

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