Be careful what you wish for, it might happen - page 5.

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Quote from: Despairo on July 13, 2022, 02:38:40 AM

No one want to become an unemployment if they have a choice to work, many of unemployments are because they're lack of something that needed for the company. I'm sorry to say this, but a disabilities doesn't have a same chance like normal people because normal people can do more than a disabilities.

I don't see any wrong if the government want to support unemployments considering anyone need food to live, otherwise they will scam or steal money.

Taking advantages of decentralized because you don't want to pay tax isn't cool, but I can't blame since it's your choice.

Actually Satoshi didn't want to make a decentralized world, but he just create a payment tool that can be accepted widely and can't be blocked because of decentralization.

It would not be taking advantage of the system, it would be the system 😊 Plus it would be a Paretum optimum : total utility is maximized when everybody maximizes his own utility.

Ok Im joking with using extremes but it makes sense

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Quote from: darkv0rt3x on July 13, 2022, 02:52:49 AM

Quote from: Despairo on July 13, 2022, 02:38:40 AM

No one want to become an unemployment if they have a choice to work, many of unemployments are because they're lack of something that needed for the company. I'm sorry to say this, but a disabilities doesn't have a same chance like normal people because normal people can do more than a disabilities.

I don't see any wrong if the government want to support unemployment considering anyone need food to live, otherwise they will scam or steal money.

Taking advantages of decentralized because you don't want to pay tax isn't cool, but I can't blame since it's your choice.

Actually Satoshi didn't want to make a decentralized world, but he just create a payment tool that can be accepted widely and can't be blocked because of decentralization.

I see wrong in governments supporting unemployment or at least supporting it almost blindly. I believe there are more people taking advantage of this than the ones really needing the support! And another argument is that if people don't have this support, then, they might really be forced (not in a sense that someone coerces him, but rather he doesn't have another choice) to look for a job, to work harder to find a way of income, and that, in theory, will make those people better human beings. I know this will always sounds esoteric and utopian, but I still believe it. For one reason, which is that when you support someone because he can't find a job, you're feeding his mind set as a lazy because he knows he will get support, so he won't feel motivated to work harder to find a job or a way of income!

Indeed I agree it will force some people to contribute more because it will pay off more. I just wonder if people actively realize that. They only see a world without interference of the government.

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I agree that in practice there will probably be some kind of support system however l’m not sure if it will be sufficient.

Also over here in Belgium tons of people chose for unemployment. Support is very close the minimum wage so it also makes sense to chose for it

But ok thats probably a regional issue.

But there are also more aspects to it. Unless you were very early Im sure most of crypto wealth is also already with the richest people on the planet.

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Quote from: Despairo on July 13, 2022, 02:38:40 AM

No one want to become an unemployment if they have a choice to work, many of unemployments are because they're lack of something that needed for the company. I'm sorry to say this, but a disabilities doesn't have a same chance like normal people because normal people can do more than a disabilities.

I don't see any wrong if the government want to support unemployment considering anyone need food to live, otherwise they will scam or steal money.

Taking advantages of decentralized because you don't want to pay tax isn't cool, but I can't blame since it's your choice.

Actually Satoshi didn't want to make a decentralized world, but he just create a payment tool that can be accepted widely and can't be blocked because of decentralization.

I see wrong in governments supporting unemployment or at least supporting it almost blindly. I believe there are more people taking advantage of this than the ones really needing the support! And another argument is that if people don't have this support, then, they might really be forced (not in a sense that someone coerces him, but rather he doesn't have another choice) to look for a job, to work harder to find a way of income, and that, in theory, will make those people better human beings. I know this will always sounds esoteric and utopian, but I still believe it. For one reason, which is that when you support someone because he can't find a job, you're feeding his mind set as a lazy because he knows he will get support, so he won't feel motivated to work harder to find a job or a way of income!

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Quote from: sbrys on July 13, 2022, 02:30:03 AM

Basically stronger people will become stronger and people suffering will suffer more.

Im sure Im cutting some corners here but the principle stays afloat. Won’t Bitcoin create more disbalance while a lot of people are claiming the opposite.

It does not have to be this way. The problem with discussing all these things theoretically is that reality has many nuances that are not foreseen in theory. And there are theories that defend the opposite: that a world without state intervention would tend to equilibrium, instead of inequality, as you propose.

For me in principle I would like a more decentralized world, with less regulations and less taxes, although I think some are necessary. But the trend in the world is the opposite and if you look at Bitcoin the same, people buy Bitcoin on sites like Coinbase, there are more and more KYC etc. so the decentralization of Bitcoin is very tiny, not to mention that if I hire you to do a job for me, I pay you in Bitcoin and we do not pay taxes, we are committing an illegality.

So, leaving theory aside and thinking realistically, I believe that the decentralization brought by Bitcoin will be very limited.

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To be honest, I myself defend a decentralized world, with little to no government intervention and etc, but in practice I can't imagine how things would run in such world. I know people say the Darwinism will prevail and will choose only the stronger, smarter, etc, I know maxis says that people's weaponization is the way to protect private property etc, and many more arguments from a couple of maxis out there, but there is so much more beyond that, that I'm not sure I can imagine how a world could run in such a libertarian or even anarchist models of society. Subjects like health, education, protection of the ones with "already" little to no resources, etc.
I mean, people has been being driven by socialists and capitalism and that developed a exploit mind set, a greedy mind set and a corruptible mind set that I don't know how could that ever be reverted.

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No one want to become an unemployment if they have a choice to work, many of unemployments are because they're lack of something that needed for the company. I'm sorry to say this, but a disabilities doesn't have a same chance like normal people because normal people can do more than a disabilities.

I don't see any wrong if the government want to support unemployments considering anyone need food to live, otherwise they will scam or steal money.

Taking advantages of decentralized because you don't want to pay tax isn't cool, but I can't blame since it's your choice.

Actually Satoshi didn't want to make a decentralized world, but he just create a payment tool that can be accepted widely and can't be blocked because of decentralization.

sbrys

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Something that always strikes me is that people underestimate the impact of a decentralized world. Especially more vulnerable people that depend on society for ‘survival’.

I get a lot of power to the people vibes while I’m not sure that a lot of people are ready for this.

How I’m experiencing things today (Simplified) :

- I pay more than 50% taxes —> I have no choice
- unemployment is supported by basic income

Basically I’m forced to share some wealth to keep society running

Imagine now a decentralized society :

- my connection with an employer will be direct and I will pay no taxes —> I have a choice
- No support for unemployment. Maybe this will stimulate more people to work but will also create some issues

Basically stronger people will become stronger and people suffering will suffer more.

Im sure Im cutting some corners here but the principle stays afloat. Won’t Bitcoin create more disbalance while a lot of people are claiming the opposite.

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