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July 27, 2018, 02:45:56 AM
#72
Warren Buffet doesn't speculate, and if you're buying crypto, you're speculating.
Agree wholeheartedly.  I'm a long-time admirer of Warren Buffett, and it's obvious to me why he doesn't invest in bitcoin--he doesn't know where it's headed, and he can't analyze it like he can a business.  Either you believe bitcoin has a future or you don't.  Either you think bitcoin's price is going higher or you don't.  Buffett can't determine whether it's undervalued or not like he can with a stock, and neither can anyone else here.  Sure, you can assert that you see from the charts that it's going to $100,000 but that's not being honest or using any sort of logic.

Buffett speculates too, but he's not throwing darts when he buys a stock.  He's brilliant and looks deeply at the business that's behind a stock before investing.  It makes all the sense in the world that he hasn't bought bitcoin, which could cause him to lose all the money he put into it.  Plus he'd have a very hard time justifying that to the Berkshire Hathaway shareholders.

Therefore, can we conclude that warren buffet does not fully understand bitcoin or crypto right? If that is the cased then we all goes back to the idea that investing into crypto is a full gamble that cannot be predicted. Even if you used all the possible logics available to where the price is heading. It is still impossible to be greedy when others are fearful.
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July 27, 2018, 02:25:17 AM
#71
I don’t know why this sentence can’t be applied to bitcoin. The fact that Buffet said it, doesn’t make him the exclusive owner of the sentence. Also, the fact that Buffet doesn’t buy bitcoin doesn’t mean it can’t be applied to bitcoin either.

He doesn’t understand high tech companies and the sentence can be applied to them.

Buffet is the best traditional investor but the world is constantly changing, and at a fast pace nowadays.

If you have done your research and you buy an asset because you strongly believe it has good fundamentals, that sentence applies. It doesn’t matter if you buy bitcoin, google shares or KO shares: when everyone is scared and selling, buy; and when everyone is so very happy about the investment because it goes up non-stop, sell.
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July 27, 2018, 02:13:03 AM
#70
Everyone always says to buy the dip and buy when others are selling. The problem is when you run out of FIAT and are all in and holding, it is very hard to be greedy when others are fearful. Many of us are stuck as we have no spare cash to buy, but if I did have spare money now, I would try to get as much BTC as possible. Now it is retracing a little bit due to EFT announcement delays but we could see another impending crash soon if the EFT for the CBOE gets rejected by the SEC, then if I have cash I will buy Bitcoin and Altcoins.
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July 27, 2018, 02:10:45 AM
#69
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I will tell you the secret to getting rich on Wall Street. You try to be greedy when others are fearful. And you try to be fearful when others are greedy.
-Warren Buffet


This quote is constantly bandied about as justification to invest in Bitcoin, and especially now that there has been some nice price movement in the upward direction. But this Warren Buffet quote is only relevant with the proper context, which is that Warren Buffet only invests in things he has a fundamental understanding of and can quantifiably value. You can confidently be greedy when others are fearful if you have a sound investment thesis and are a fundamental value investor. This is how he turns his investments into home runs, he knows what he's buying and what it's worth and can weather the negative sentiment until the market learns what he already knows. This doesn't apply at all to a speculative investment like crypto. Following this advice willy-nilly is gonna get you burned because you're misunderstanding the intent and the application.

Don't not buy Bitcoin if that's what you want to do, but don't fool yourself into thinking you're following Warren Buffet's advice. Warren Buffet doesn't speculate, and if you're buying crypto, you're speculating.

Keep in mind, the price is what you pay, and value is what you get—pay too high a price and returns are decimated. To elaborate on this, the value of a stock is relative to the amount of earnings it will generate over the life of its business. In particular, this value is determined by discounting all future cash flows back to a present value, an intrinsic value. Pay too high a price and the return that arises as a stock gravitates back to its intrinsic value over time will erode. Act greedy when others are fearful and reap enhanced returns, under the right set of circumstances: predictability must be present, and short-term events that create the subsequent downgrade in prices must not be moat-eroding.
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July 27, 2018, 12:58:11 AM
#68
Nice strategy. When others are fearful, that's the time to be greedy. Been greedy at this time will get you all the coins you need at low price because a lot of coins will fall cheap
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July 27, 2018, 12:36:52 AM
#67
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I will tell you the secret to getting rich on Wall Street. You try to be greedy when others are fearful. And you try to be fearful when others are greedy.
-Warren Buffet


This quote is constantly bandied about as justification to invest in Bitcoin, and especially now that there has been some nice price movement in the upward direction. But this Warren Buffet quote is only relevant with the proper context, which is that Warren Buffet only invests in things he has a fundamental understanding of and can quantifiably value. You can confidently be greedy when others are fearful if you have a sound investment thesis and are a fundamental value investor. This is how he turns his investments into home runs, he knows what he's buying and what it's worth and can weather the negative sentiment until the market learns what he already knows. This doesn't apply at all to a speculative investment like crypto. Following this advice willy-nilly is gonna get you burned because you're misunderstanding the intent and the application.

Don't not buy Bitcoin if that's what you want to do, but don't fool yourself into thinking you're following Warren Buffet's advice. Warren Buffet doesn't speculate, and if you're buying crypto, you're speculating.

If that’s his understanding of business and situation then that’s for him. I don’t have to be affected by his mindset. If that works for him then that’s good for him. I don’t have to be greedy when others are fearful, I’d rather help those who are fearful so we can enjoy together the profit of our own investments in bitcoin or crypto. That way i was able to share others what i do know and all of us are happy.
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July 27, 2018, 12:21:52 AM
#66
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I will tell you the secret to getting rich on Wall Street. You try to be greedy when others are fearful. And you try to be fearful when others are greedy.
-Warren Buffet


This quote is constantly bandied about as justification to invest in Bitcoin, and especially now that there has been some nice price movement in the upward direction. But this Warren Buffet quote is only relevant with the proper context, which is that Warren Buffet only invests in things he has a fundamental understanding of and can quantifiably value. You can confidently be greedy when others are fearful if you have a sound investment thesis and are a fundamental value investor. This is how he turns his investments into home runs, he knows what he's buying and what it's worth and can weather the negative sentiment until the market learns what he already knows. This doesn't apply at all to a speculative investment like crypto. Following this advice willy-nilly is gonna get you burned because you're misunderstanding the intent and the application.

Don't not buy Bitcoin if that's what you want to do, but don't fool yourself into thinking you're following Warren Buffet's advice. Warren Buffet doesn't speculate, and if you're buying crypto, you're speculating.

I will agree that this is the best strategy when you aiming a successful investment in cryptocurrencies. You can buy a big amount of crypto when the price are very cheap in the market. and just hold it for the main time because crypto price are very volatile. You can sell it all when the price slam to rise up again. 
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July 26, 2018, 11:14:33 PM
#65
This should be applied when the price of bitcoin was below $7,000 because a lot of people are fearful and they are all doubting if the price of bitcoin will go up again and have a comeback and that is when you should become greedy and you should be craving for profits with that and if you did that then congratulation because you already made a great profit until now.
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July 26, 2018, 06:01:37 PM
#64
Yes take the risk and wait till you gain what you deserve because of it,
I think you really should take advantage of it because sooner or later crypto would recover.
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July 26, 2018, 08:01:21 PM
#64
Be greedy in a sense that don't hold too long, always think about the future possibilities of your income and giving your self some pleasure in making out of that possibility, In the crypto sphere, you should be aware that you are capable of earning much more you deserve, there is a lot of investments and ways to earn, they have campaigns, you must be that optimistic person, where you will consider all the profits that you will have by achieving it in a beeter way, not like others who have some fears in taking a step.
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July 26, 2018, 05:09:38 PM
#63
Buffet is a very clever and prominent person but it seems me tha the often has some inside information before making investing decisions but anyway I respect him very much. It seems me that he describes 2 stages of market. The first in is an oversold stage where you need to buy to reap some later and the second one is an overbought stage which is usually named as ephoria where you need to sell all your assets before a crash or a deep correction phase.
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July 26, 2018, 05:09:24 PM
#62
Personally, I try to simply invest in bitcoin a certain amount monthly. As the mathematical model shows, this strategy allows to achieve the optimal purchase price.
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July 26, 2018, 04:55:55 PM
#61
This phrase makes a lot of sense.
In bearish market such as we are witnessing now, the best thing to do is to go greedy on some good cheap altcoins.
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July 26, 2018, 04:52:33 PM
#60
It's important to understand that experts or gurus in certain parts of an industry don't necessarily mean they are as knowledgeable in other industries.

Warren Buffett has done extremely well in his life, which I respect him for, but we shouldn't overexaggerate his investment skills.

Everything with fundamental value will keep going up, and the only thing he's doing is position himself in companies offering that fundamental value. You only need patience here, which is quite an easy task if you during the years scoop up dividends that you can reinvest directly to generate more income.

You know what he's doing when his favorite stocks are going down? He buys more because he knows that their value will go back up.

What do people here when Bitcoin is going down? They sell because they are too afraid to just let the market correct naturally.

Bitcoin has that fundamental value and we have enough years functioning as evidence. It doesn't matter what price you buy at, you'll profit later on anyway.

Shouldn't over exaggerate the investment skill of who is widely credited as being the greatest investor of all time? I don't know if that's exactly possible, but if it is, I don't think anything said of him so far would qualify as over exaggerating his investment skill. When he took over Berkshire, the company stock was worth $19. It now trades for over $300,000. I don't know of another case where a public company has seen such sustained and massive wealth creation. It's a bit of an unfair comparison given the respective time frames, but those returns are better than Bitcoin's numbers, even for the HODLers!
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July 26, 2018, 03:46:19 PM
#59
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I will tell you the secret to getting rich on Wall Street. You try to be greedy when others are fearful. And you try to be fearful when others are greedy.
-Warren Buffet

I don't know how I feel about that quotation.

Warren Buffett didn't invent that concept or mentality. Its a fundamental observation many investors, traders and businessman have repeated over the centuries. Some of the best investment opportunities were to be found during the crisis of 2008 when bank stocks were severely underpriced--before the bailout bill was announced. Bitcoin would have been a good investment around 2014 when silk road was closed and china cracked down on exchanges. The idea that opportunities abound under circumstances where people are fearful like the 2008 crisis or bitcoin's 2014-esque crash is a common theme throughout history.

AFAIK Buffett made his fortune utilizing long term HODL investment strategies based on market and business fundamentals. He wasn't someone to make spur of the moment deals or profit from times when the market was at its lowest and future prospects were bleak.

What happens when people are both greedy and fearful? That's a question which interests me. It could be something to be answer in order to accurately anticipate which direction markets and economies are headed.

I think in this context, greedy and fearful are mutually exclusive. If you are acting greedy, you are acting without fear of loss. If you fear loss, you aren't acting greedy. Greed ignores risk while fear inhibits risk taking.

As for the previous points, acting greedy doesn't mean your decision is spur of the moment. It just means that you're going into positions that others are fleeing. This can, and should be, a well-deliberated investment decision.  Also, the investment opportunities you highlighted about the 2008 financial crisis are only evident in hindsight. In that moment, the world financial structures were crumbling. There was no indication there was going to be a bailout, or that if there was one, that it would work. In that moment, there was no confidence in the system and risk of loss was everywhere. There was contagion and systemic collapse, and everything unfolding was pretty unprecedented. Now as it turns out, anyone putting money into certain companies made a killing, but don't forget that speculators were putting money in Bear Sterns on the way down too, and they lost everything. Same for Lehman. Looking at the landscape 2008, risk of loss - not just loss, but total loss - was everywhere. It is only 10 years later with the benefit of a great deal of hindsight and context that can look back at 2008 and say, man, there were some good opportunities out there. At the time, that was an incredibly uncomfortable thing to say.
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July 26, 2018, 03:31:40 PM
#58
I'm not sure why so many people are down on Warren for that quote. He's basically saying buy the dip, and sell when things are high. If I wasn't so greedy back in January I would have had a nice profit. But I was greedy and I have many times less than what I used to have.
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July 26, 2018, 03:26:55 PM
#57
"Be greedy when others are scared" is actually one of my best phrase.
The present market state is the best time to be greedy in bagging some cheap good altcoins now that some others are scared.
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July 26, 2018, 03:10:53 PM
#56
Probably ancient latins were first while saying: mors tua vita mea. This mot can be applicable to any field, and crypto is not excluded. Obviously, you need to exploit weaknesses of the market and try to bag the most in sorrow times. And it is also applicable to speculation as well. It is the foundation!
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July 26, 2018, 03:05:55 PM
#55
Warren Buffett doesn't believe in gold either, and that while gold has a proven track record of thousands of years. The thing with Buffett is that he likes to invest in things he can generate revenue from in form of dividends or interest. Bitcoin obviously doesn't produce anything in that way. In order to earn from crypto is to have a fundamentally strong POS coin with low annual inflation, but where are they? I haven't seen one single POS coin that maintained its value -- they all crashed hard and will keep crashing hard because they don't know shit. Ethereum plans to become somewhat of a POS coin, so we'll see how that goes....

It's important to understand though why Buffet doesn't believe in gold: because it's not a productive asset. It doesn't produce income, it doesn't have cash flow, it merely is an asset that is worth what large groups of people agree on and doesn't generate any return outside of that. Also, the proven track record of thousands of years for gold isn't as a wealth-producing asset, but as a wealth-protecting asset, and this is a HUGE difference. People don't get rich buying gold because over very long periods of time, gold largely tracks inflation; no new wealth is created, it only preserves what wealth was put into it over time.
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July 26, 2018, 01:25:01 PM
#54
good quote  and i agree with that , when people panic sell , there opportunity what we can get from it , and when people pump it so hard we must get careful of that
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