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Topic: Be Honest- who hopes the USA defaults so BTC skyrockets? (Read 4306 times)

legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1057
Marketing manager - GO MP
The USA and other fiat debt laden countries will default or collapse at some point so they might as well do it now. I would like to see this madness come to an end in my lifetime. I realize it won't be pretty, but hey - who said going cold turkey would be fun? It is however, the right thing to do. Perpetuating the mistakes of the past, passing the hot potato and kicking the can again and again is not the solution. Of course, this is exactly what will happen so enjoy living the dream while it lasts.

Yeah debt settlements never happen and the world should totally use ethical standards out of this Ayan Rand novel.
hero member
Activity: 761
Merit: 500
Mine Silent, Mine Deep
The USA and other fiat debt laden countries will default or collapse at some point so they might as well do it now. I would like to see this madness come to an end in my lifetime. I realize it won't be pretty, but hey - who said going cold turkey would be fun? It is however, the right thing to do. Perpetuating the mistakes of the past, passing the hot potato and kicking the can again and again is not the solution. Of course, this is exactly what will happen so enjoy living the dream while it lasts.
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1057
Marketing manager - GO MP
i'd like to point out that Amerika has no intentions of paying off the national debt.
Maybe, you don't know that.

They'll just keep on raising the debt ceiling until the end of time. See you in the quadrillions!

That's a surprisingly naive opinion for somebody who has a masked guy with a gun as an avatar.
legendary
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

The federally budgeted (see below) military expenditure of the United States Department of Defense for fiscal year 2010, including the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, is.

Total Spending    683.7 billion

Audit of 2011 budget
Total Spending    $1.030–$1.415 trillion
legendary
Activity: 4690
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i'd like to point out that Amerika has no intentions of paying off the national debt. They'll just keep on raising the debt ceiling until the end of time. See you in the quadrillions!

Ya, no nation is going to pay off their national debt and every nation has one (which should be enough to make people ponder things a little bit but does not seem to be...)  Anyone who proposes paying down the national debt, or even arresting it's growth, is either lying to your face or is clueless about how modern monetary systems work.

As for the debt ceiling in the US, it's actually a pretty clever scam.  Both political parties have basically the same desires because they are owned by basically the same entities.  But they each have separate shticks that they use to herd their respective flocks of sheep.  The debt ceiling negotiations (among other constructs) are the way they 'agree' to pay off their sponsors without making their flocks to suspicious.  It's pretty funny to watch.

legendary
Activity: 2212
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i'd like to point out that Amerika has no intentions of paying off the national debt. They'll just keep on raising the debt ceiling until the end of time. See you in the quadrillions!
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1057
Marketing manager - GO MP
YES let the USA go bust so a handful of you fucks who have 10 coins can make a few thousand. You are assholes!

Congrats you captured the very essence of the Bitcoin Community.
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
YES let the USA go bust so a handful of you fucks who have 10 coins can make a few thousand. You are assholes!
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1005
Destruction of the real economy is not from an eventual default, it comes from the general fucking with the markets including interest rate, and that has been going on for a long time.
legendary
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It appears that there are many assumptions going on here, and to be honest I'm not certain exactly what the consequences of a default would be, but some posts here assume that a Government default is the same as the US Dollar collapsing.

These are two very different events, with very different ramifications.

The US Government defaulting would most likely cause as huge decrease in value of the US Dollar, but that in itself is not a complete collapse of the currency. The default would cause interest rates on the US Debt to increase, probably to the point where the US would not be able to pay all its debts which would eventually result in a collapse of the dollar, since the Federal Reserve would simply print more and more currency. (they are already doing that at the rate of $800 Billion a month).

The US Dollar collapsing completely is a far more significant situation, with far reaching ramifications. If you've followed other country's currency collapse, typically they issue a new currency, with some buy back of the old currency at some % of value towards the new currency. The problem is that the US Dollar is the world trade currency, and most other FIAT currencies are valued off the US Dollar. So this would be a world affecting event, extremely bad for all countries involved. (I am certain that the world banking organization, WBO, already has plans in place for handling this situation, and I guarantee bitcoin isn't going to be part of that plan).

I believe that something like BTC, which is not controlled by any government is eventually the proper way to go. But there isn't currently, and never will be, nearly enough BTC in circulation. Not to mention that making BTC valid currency for world trade would make a lot of ppl on here insanely wealthy, which the WBO will not allow.

The cash increases at a rate of about 7 billion USD per month currently, credit created at Fed about 85 billion per month. Existing cash is 1200 billion USD, existing credit (M2) 10000 billion USD.
From random website http://www.data360.org/graph_group.aspx?Graph_Group_Id=1315

Cash inflation 7*12/1200 * 100 = 7%
Credit inflation 85*12/10000 * 100 = about  10.2 % (This number can not be accurately defined).

I agree that when credit expansion start to fail, printing (M0 ) will start to increase limited only by  the capacity of the literal printing presses. So price reductions over all when the credit is rejected due to risk, price increases restored after literal printing has been going on for some time, then after price inertia is exhausted, excessive price hikes. It's at least a possibility, but we also have unpredictable politicians.
hero member
Activity: 826
Merit: 501
in defi we trust
High BTC prices are great and all, but the damage done to the U.S. economy could be far more damaging to my finances than any gain from bitcoin.

+1

Let's compare how many jobs are lost worldwide if US defaults , and how many jobs are created if bitcoin goes to 1000.

I think if the bitcoin goes to 1000 many people will be selfemployed investors/devs/webdesigners and offer their service for Bitcoin on their own. I havent seen many regular fulltime jobs paid in Bitcoin so far and I think it won't change too much. How would you do proper accounting that way anyway?

And what stops them doing that now?
Who will employ them and why aren't they doing now?
Those people are already working right now , if they haven't got a job please explain me WHY would somebody hire them if bitcoin price will be 1000.

One reason per second please , don't overwhelm me

sr. member
Activity: 308
Merit: 250
High BTC prices are great and all, but the damage done to the U.S. economy could be far more damaging to my finances than any gain from bitcoin.

+1

Let's compare how many jobs are lost worldwide if US defaults , and how many jobs are created if bitcoin goes to 1000.

I think if the bitcoin goes to 1000 many people will be selfemployed investors/devs/webdesigners and offer their service for Bitcoin on their own. I havent seen many regular fulltime jobs paid in Bitcoin so far and I think it won't change too much. How would you do proper accounting that way anyway?
hero member
Activity: 826
Merit: 501
in defi we trust
High BTC prices are great and all, but the damage done to the U.S. economy could be far more damaging to my finances than any gain from bitcoin.

+1

Let's compare how many jobs are lost worldwide if US defaults , and how many jobs are created if bitcoin goes to 1000.
legendary
Activity: 3066
Merit: 1147
The revolution will be monetized!
High BTC prices are great and all, but the damage done to the U.S. economy could be far more damaging to my finances than any gain from bitcoin.

Buy more bitcoin?
Maybe. Unless my business closes.  Undecided
newbie
Activity: 41
Merit: 0
Have to duck, to avoid being hit by the can they are kicking down the road. Smiley
sr. member
Activity: 308
Merit: 250
Since this would hurt many people living in the US that are part of my trust network this would hurt me too (not materialistic but when they suffer i do too).
I don't think its a fun thing to watch economies crash as we're all interconnected in one way or another.
hero member
Activity: 624
Merit: 500
High BTC prices are great and all, but the damage done to the U.S. economy could be far more damaging to my finances than any gain from bitcoin.
pretty much this. i need some time before a US default! namely to gradually move more assets into bitcoin.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1002
High BTC prices are great and all, but the damage done to the U.S. economy could be far more damaging to my finances than any gain from bitcoin.

Buy more bitcoin?
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1002
It's over for now
But the topic should remain open for a few months whistle
http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/10/16/us-markets-global-idINBRE96S00E20131016

Debt deal talk != Debt deal

However, it is likely to be voted on tonight.
legendary
Activity: 3066
Merit: 1147
The revolution will be monetized!
High BTC prices are great and all, but the damage done to the U.S. economy could be far more damaging to my finances than any gain from bitcoin.
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