Before the earthquake, Nepali People killed 250,000 cows to celebrate festival - page 2.

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Quote from: Mike Christ on May 08, 2015, 02:40:40 AM

What a waste of good meat.

How is this simply a waste of good meat? Just because animals cannot speak, we can consider them as only food? Then perhaps the thousands of people protesting against the Yulin Dog Meat Eating Festival are fools as well.
To me, animal sacrifice does not make sense at all. I don't think any God or Goddess would want humans to kill innocent creatures in their name.

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So none of you guys eat meat? Where do think meat comes from?

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We humans have the most developed brain & organs. Why do we need to kill animals just to eat We breed them so that we can eat them. What is the difference between other animals and us who eat meat? We have abundant source of natural resources to fulfill our needs.

I knew this will come up. Though let me say it this way. When you show me how the cows stop eating away the living lifeform grass then i might consider stopping eating the cows.

Truth is that every human only survives when it devours other life. Only because some humans think they are better because they only devour life that doesnt have a face, doesnt make this truth less valid.

And claiming that humans can chose to only eat their "smallest brothers and sisters", what kind of attitude is that? We arent made for vegetarian only nutrition. Our organs show this. Of course one might chose a diet of only vegetarian source, though thats up to him. Others might not want this because of the risks and because its hypocritical to claim that one is a better human when he only eats the life that cant fight back at all.

Damn, i knew this would turn out to be this discussion again. But truth is and remains... humans only survive when devouring other life. Blame god or whatever, but its the truth. And humans have to deal with it.

I never said anything about eating brothers and sisters. The point is if you think that humans have been made like that, and that is the course of the nature, then we should follow the course of the nature in a complete manner. Everyone should hunt and then eat, like other animals do. Truth is we humans have become very selfish. We always chose what is the best for us, even if that is a problem for others.

Im not sure if i can follow you on that. Why should be hunt ourself. Its legit that we have a society where specialized persons to tasks they are specialized in. That improves the overall performance of the society.

Still our bodies dont change only because we start to eat in a way that is different from what our bodies need.

I brought brothers and sister into the conversation because if you consider animals as such then plants are them too. Only smaller ones.

Why should we chose to eat a way that we are not made for? Of course we NEED to choise what is good and best for us in this case. And we cant avoid that. Why should we decide that the problem of a plant, that we kill by eating, is no problem, but the problem of a cow that we kill, so that we can eat her, is a problem?

We dont need to speak about their lives. That leaves room open for optimizations.

Cool buddy Grin

You won't stop eating animals and I won't stop eating plants. So just relax and live and let leave. Peace Wink

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Quote from: siwakotisaurav on June 17, 2015, 09:18:33 AM

First off cows are sacred to Hindus so they are not killed. Secondly, you might wanna ask how do I know, well I'm a Nepali . Better see the news carefully before you post. Thirdly, it depends on people's faith , no one has the right to decide how one's customs should be. And thirdly, no I don't believe in such rituals.

Exactly. Killing of cows and bulls are a punishable offense in Nepal, as it is against the Hindu culture. Most of the animals which are slaughtered in this festival are water buffaloes, chicken, pigs, and goats.

And 90% of the devotees come from the Madhesi regions of India. The remaining 10% are ethnic Madhesi having Nepali citizenship. Ethnic Nepali Hindus never participate in this festival. Nepal is a multi-ethnic country, with close to 200 different ethnic groups. Some of these groups are culturally different from the ethnic Nepali Hindus.

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First off cows are sacred to Hindus so they are not killed. Secondly, you might wanna ask how do I know, well I'm a Nepali . Better see the news carefully before you post. Thirdly, it depends on people's faith , no one has the right to decide how one's customs should be. And thirdly, no I don't believe in such rituals.

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Quote from: ipbo on May 08, 2015, 05:00:15 AM

What kind of xit is this ,uncivilized people. Karma is Real.

Karma isn't real, and do you not eat meat or wear leather? Millions of cattle are killed every year all over the world so I don't see why it's that much different (though as I said above its wasteful if they do not do anything with the meat/skins etc).

And also, the pictures were accounted for 2009 which was portrayed as if it happened days before the Nepal earthquake. And aptly described, karma isn't real (:

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Quote from: JarvisTechnology on June 16, 2015, 07:05:43 AM

Quote from: SebastianJu on June 15, 2015, 04:33:50 AM

Quote from: JarvisTechnology on June 15, 2015, 04:05:29 AM

We humans have the most developed brain & organs. Why do we need to kill animals just to eat We breed them so that we can eat them. What is the difference between other animals and us who eat meat? We have abundant source of natural resources to fulfill our needs.

I knew this will come up. Though let me say it this way. When you show me how the cows stop eating away the living lifeform grass then i might consider stopping eating the cows.

Truth is that every human only survives when it devours other life. Only because some humans think they are better because they only devour life that doesnt have a face, doesnt make this truth less valid.

And claiming that humans can chose to only eat their "smallest brothers and sisters", what kind of attitude is that? We arent made for vegetarian only nutrition. Our organs show this. Of course one might chose a diet of only vegetarian source, though thats up to him. Others might not want this because of the risks and because its hypocritical to claim that one is a better human when he only eats the life that cant fight back at all.

Damn, i knew this would turn out to be this discussion again. But truth is and remains... humans only survive when devouring other life. Blame god or whatever, but its the truth. And humans have to deal with it.

I never said anything about eating brothers and sisters. The point is if you think that humans have been made like that, and that is the course of the nature, then we should follow the course of the nature in a complete manner. Everyone should hunt and then eat, like other animals do. Truth is we humans have become very selfish. We always chose what is the best for us, even if that is a problem for others.

Im not sure if i can follow you on that. Why should be hunt ourself. Its legit that we have a society where specialized persons to tasks they are specialized in. That improves the overall performance of the society.

Still our bodies dont change only because we start to eat in a way that is different from what our bodies need.

I brought brothers and sister into the conversation because if you consider animals as such then plants are them too. Only smaller ones.

Why should we chose to eat a way that we are not made for? Of course we NEED to choise what is good and best for us in this case. And we cant avoid that. Why should we decide that the problem of a plant, that we kill by eating, is no problem, but the problem of a cow that we kill, so that we can eat her, is a problem?

We dont need to speak about their lives. That leaves room open for optimizations.

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Quote from: jayce on June 16, 2015, 06:21:51 AM

I can't believe that you considered my opinion was a main cause of disaster. It just my expression after read the article of "ritual" that sacrifice thousands of buffaloes. I have studied about plate movements, earthquake, tsunami, etc in my school.

Then what did you really meant, when you posted "all of animal activist in the world cursed Nepal because of the festival, so the country got disaster after that"? Many of the world religions do have customs and practices, which are considered unacceptable in some parts of the world. Even Abrahamic religions such as Christianity and Islam are having such practices.

Can you understand what I said before? It just my expression about buffaloes sacrifices. And if you meant Idul Adha, do you know that the animal like cow and goat that sacrificed by them, would be given to paupers so then they can cook the meat in their house? So what about the buffaloes in the ritual? Do you think there is someone that will bring the meat and cook it?

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Quote from: jayce on June 16, 2015, 06:21:51 AM

I can't believe that you considered my opinion was a main cause of disaster. It just my expression after read the article of "ritual" that sacrifice thousands of buffaloes. I have studied about plate movements, earthquake, tsunami, etc in my school.

Then what did you really meant, when you posted "all of animal activist in the world cursed Nepal because of the festival, so the country got disaster after that"? Many of the world religions do have customs and practices, which are considered unacceptable in some parts of the world. Even Abrahamic religions such as Christianity and Islam are having such practices.

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Quote from: JarvisTechnology on June 15, 2015, 04:05:29 AM

We humans have the most developed brain & organs. Why do we need to kill animals just to eat We breed them so that we can eat them. What is the difference between other animals and us who eat meat? We have abundant source of natural resources to fulfill our needs.

I knew this will come up. Though let me say it this way. When you show me how the cows stop eating away the living lifeform grass then i might consider stopping eating the cows.

Truth is that every human only survives when it devours other life. Only because some humans think they are better because they only devour life that doesnt have a face, doesnt make this truth less valid.

And claiming that humans can chose to only eat their "smallest brothers and sisters", what kind of attitude is that? We arent made for vegetarian only nutrition. Our organs show this. Of course one might chose a diet of only vegetarian source, though thats up to him. Others might not want this because of the risks and because its hypocritical to claim that one is a better human when he only eats the life that cant fight back at all.

Damn, i knew this would turn out to be this discussion again. But truth is and remains... humans only survive when devouring other life. Blame god or whatever, but its the truth. And humans have to deal with it.

You cannot change everyone's thinking, right? All you can do is live the life in the way you want to. These killings of cows and buffaloes will again happen next year. In fact, now the possibility is that the numbers might be even more increased.

Agree with you. That is the provision made available to us. Stronger survives, weaker perishes. But still we can control it if we want to or let it be as it is.

I know what you mean and i thought about this carefully already. Even tried vegetarian so that i know what i speak about. I cant live that way. These products they sell as meat replacement taste like bread and you always have the feeling somethings missing.

I think i should not try to go against nature, our inner organs are neither those of carnivores nor those of plant eating animals. So since we are made like this i think nature shows us whats the right choice of nurture is. We simply cant avoid devouring life so at the end i would not feel better to "only" eat my smallest brothers and sisters on earth. We are made like this and have to accept it.

Not like these extremists in some developed countries that think they have to even feed their carnivourous pets, like cats and dogs, a vegetarian diet. Thats so wrong that it looks like abuse to me.

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Quote from: SebastianJu on June 15, 2015, 04:33:50 AM

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We humans have the most developed brain & organs. Why do we need to kill animals just to eat We breed them so that we can eat them. What is the difference between other animals and us who eat meat? We have abundant source of natural resources to fulfill our needs.

I knew this will come up. Though let me say it this way. When you show me how the cows stop eating away the living lifeform grass then i might consider stopping eating the cows.

Truth is that every human only survives when it devours other life. Only because some humans think they are better because they only devour life that doesnt have a face, doesnt make this truth less valid.

And claiming that humans can chose to only eat their "smallest brothers and sisters", what kind of attitude is that? We arent made for vegetarian only nutrition. Our organs show this. Of course one might chose a diet of only vegetarian source, though thats up to him. Others might not want this because of the risks and because its hypocritical to claim that one is a better human when he only eats the life that cant fight back at all.

Damn, i knew this would turn out to be this discussion again. But truth is and remains... humans only survive when devouring other life. Blame god or whatever, but its the truth. And humans have to deal with it.

I never said anything about eating brothers and sisters. The point is if you think that humans have been made like that, and that is the course of the nature, then we should follow the course of the nature in a complete manner. Everyone should hunt and then eat, like other animals do. Truth is we humans have become very selfish. We always chose what is the best for us, even if that is a problem for others.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 15, 2015, 09:21:50 PM

Quote from: jayce on June 15, 2015, 02:02:56 PM

I think all of animal activist in the world cursed Nepal because of the festival, so the country got disaster after that. Actually, we can't blame ritual or culture of other country, but we are living in modern era, so we need to think logically about the ritual that against natural science.

Do you really thing that a "curse" caused the recent earthquake in Nepal, which killed more than 10,000 innocent people? Do you know what causes an earthquake? Ever heard of plate movements? And if the recent earthquake was caused as a result of this "curse", then why it didn't occurred earlier, as the festival has been going on for thousands of years.

I can't believe that you considered my opinion was a main cause of disaster. It just my expression after read the article of "ritual" that sacrifice thousands of buffaloes. I have studied about plate movements, earthquake, tsunami, etc in my school.

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Quote from: jayce on June 15, 2015, 02:02:56 PM

I think all of animal activist in the world cursed Nepal because of the festival, so the country got disaster after that. Actually, we can't blame ritual or culture of other country, but we are living in modern era, so we need to think logically about the ritual that against natural science.

Do you really thing that a "curse" caused the recent earthquake in Nepal, which killed more than 10,000 innocent people? Do you know what causes an earthquake? Ever heard of plate movements? And if the recent earthquake was caused as a result of this "curse", then why it didn't occurred earlier, as the festival has been going on for thousands of years.

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Quote from: Anony on June 15, 2015, 05:09:42 AM

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Quote from: JarvisTechnology on June 15, 2015, 04:05:29 AM

We humans have the most developed brain & organs. Why do we need to kill animals just to eat We breed them so that we can eat them. What is the difference between other animals and us who eat meat? We have abundant source of natural resources to fulfill our needs.

I knew this will come up. Though let me say it this way. When you show me how the cows stop eating away the living lifeform grass then i might consider stopping eating the cows.

Truth is that every human only survives when it devours other life. Only because some humans think they are better because they only devour life that doesnt have a face, doesnt make this truth less valid.

And claiming that humans can chose to only eat their "smallest brothers and sisters", what kind of attitude is that? We arent made for vegetarian only nutrition. Our organs show this. Of course one might chose a diet of only vegetarian source, though thats up to him. Others might not want this because of the risks and because its hypocritical to claim that one is a better human when he only eats the life that cant fight back at all.

Damn, i knew this would turn out to be this discussion again. But truth is and remains... humans only survive when devouring other life. Blame god or whatever, but its the truth. And humans have to deal with it.

Agree with you. That is the provision made available to us. Stronger survives, weaker perishes. But still we can control it if we want to or let it be as it is.

I know what you mean and i thought about this carefully already. Even tried vegetarian so that i know what i speak about. I cant live that way. These products they sell as meat replacement taste like bread and you always have the feeling somethings missing.

I think i should not try to go against nature, our inner organs are neither those of carnivores nor those of plant eating animals. So since we are made like this i think nature shows us whats the right choice of nurture is. We simply cant avoid devouring life so at the end i would not feel better to "only" eat my smallest brothers and sisters on earth. We are made like this and have to accept it.

Not like these extremists in some developed countries that think they have to even feed their carnivourous pets, like cats and dogs, a vegetarian diet. Thats so wrong that it looks like abuse to me.

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I think all of animal activist in the world cursed Nepal because of the festival, so the country got disaster after that. Actually, we can't blame ritual or culture of other country, but we are living in modern era, so we need to think logically about the ritual that against natural science.

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Quote from: SebastianJu on June 15, 2015, 04:33:50 AM

Quote from: JarvisTechnology on June 15, 2015, 04:05:29 AM

We humans have the most developed brain & organs. Why do we need to kill animals just to eat We breed them so that we can eat them. What is the difference between other animals and us who eat meat? We have abundant source of natural resources to fulfill our needs.

I knew this will come up. Though let me say it this way. When you show me how the cows stop eating away the living lifeform grass then i might consider stopping eating the cows.

Truth is that every human only survives when it devours other life. Only because some humans think they are better because they only devour life that doesnt have a face, doesnt make this truth less valid.

And claiming that humans can chose to only eat their "smallest brothers and sisters", what kind of attitude is that? We arent made for vegetarian only nutrition. Our organs show this. Of course one might chose a diet of only vegetarian source, though thats up to him. Others might not want this because of the risks and because its hypocritical to claim that one is a better human when he only eats the life that cant fight back at all.

Damn, i knew this would turn out to be this discussion again. But truth is and remains... humans only survive when devouring other life. Blame god or whatever, but its the truth. And humans have to deal with it.

Agree with you. That is the provision made available to us. Stronger survives, weaker perishes. But still we can control it if we want to or let it be as it is.

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Quote from: JarvisTechnology on June 15, 2015, 04:05:29 AM

We humans have the most developed brain & organs. Why do we need to kill animals just to eat We breed them so that we can eat them. What is the difference between other animals and us who eat meat? We have abundant source of natural resources to fulfill our needs.

I knew this will come up. Though let me say it this way. When you show me how the cows stop eating away the living lifeform grass then i might consider stopping eating the cows.

Truth is that every human only survives when it devours other life. Only because some humans think they are better because they only devour life that doesnt have a face, doesnt make this truth less valid.

And claiming that humans can chose to only eat their "smallest brothers and sisters", what kind of attitude is that? We arent made for vegetarian only nutrition. Our organs show this. Of course one might chose a diet of only vegetarian source, though thats up to him. Others might not want this because of the risks and because its hypocritical to claim that one is a better human when he only eats the life that cant fight back at all.

Damn, i knew this would turn out to be this discussion again. But truth is and remains... humans only survive when devouring other life. Blame god or whatever, but its the truth. And humans have to deal with it.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 15, 2015, 03:44:57 AM

May be Westerners should learn to respect others cultural norms and traditions. If not, incidents such as this one can happen:

Oh right. Lets look away when other cultures cut away the clitoris of little girls, together with their lapia and later sew the rest together so that the husband has to open her with a knife in the first night after wedding.

Maybe lets even look away when ISIS is cutting off heads because its part of their religious belief.

Im not sure why you think we have to respect every and all ill things that are done in the name of religions. We are humans and we have the right and the obligation to stand up against inhuman things happening.

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Quote from: SebastianJu on June 14, 2015, 09:55:30 AM

Quote from: Daniel91 on June 14, 2015, 08:03:57 AM

I think that we should respect their beliefs, even if we don't fully understand it.
It's their tradition and culture, and who we are to judge it?
How much turkey we kill and eat in America for Thanksgiving day?
Isn't it the same thing?
It makes no sense to condemn the tradition of other nations while at the same time do something similar in our countries.
I hope no one is suggesting here that these two events are related.

You didnt think this through. The need to survive is the same for all living beings. And we are forced to fill that need by devouring other live. (Before you might ask, yes, plants are alive too.)

Killing a mass of life for a belief is very different from that. Though it happened all the way in the human history.

We humans have the most developed brain & organs. Why do we need to kill animals just to eat We breed them so that we can eat them. What is the difference between other animals and us who eat meat? We have abundant source of natural resources to fulfill our needs.

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Quote from: Possum577 on June 15, 2015, 12:30:48 AM

Killing 250,000 cows for the greed of 200 men is awful and should be an easy thing to disrupt via protest.

It is their culture, and foreigners don't have any right to demand that they should abandon their age old rituals and customs. Nepal is a deeply religious nation, and if you go there for a protest, then most probably you will be thrown inside some rotten and crowded prison cell, where you'll spend the rest of your life. May be Westerners should learn to respect others cultural norms and traditions. If not, incidents such as this one can happen:

http://forumforhinduawakening.org/dharma/news/2013/11/27/indonesia-christian-woman-bali-sentenced-14-months-prison-insulting-hinduism/

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