Beginner's needs directives from seniors.

smyslov

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Quote from: GeorgeJohn on June 23, 2020, 10:04:34 AM

Many newbies has dropped out in the forum because of lack of encouragement from the seniors, many beginner's has determination for the forum but it has been taking off because no support to step in next rank.
Encouragement is the back bone of learner's we need a massive support from the seniors to grow like others. remember that class one is the beginning of education.
Before account of two,one must be counted.
We lost hope to continue this journey because we assuming that our posts are irrelevant no appreciation from Seniors.
I begin to wonder how millions of people in the forum accelerates and obtained a higher rank.
We the newbies needs to be upgraded from this level to another level.
We have to know the criteria to follow so that many newbies will not fall apart.

I think you are wrong on your observation, I have seen a lot of newbies ranking and even ranking higher, you are just giving up this early, you are the only newbies I've seen complaining so far, we have a thread here where high rank with a lot of merits to spare giving merits you should look for one and post your best thread there.

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Quote from: Harlot on June 24, 2020, 06:40:44 AM

Is this the newest approach of newbies trying to ask for merits indirectly? IMO merits is irrelevant as rank is also irrelevant as long as you are learning in the forum personally it doesn't necessarily mean that your rank needs to progress as well, this isn't a mentorship website where you need to receive merits just to be encourage to learn. Just think about the forum when the merit system wasn't even on yet, do you think there are asking for encouragement? I don't think so. Don't look at your rank but instead look what you are learning.

If a Newbie indirectly or directly look for the merits after posting he may not succeed in this attempt. Also the mindset of getting merits at the back of mind, will be a big hindrance in his success because he will always be looking to get merits and won't focus on leaning.
Merits do come once you have a good knowledge on the topic and you are able to help the people.

lovesmayfamilis

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As a beginner I do find it hard to engage in conversations on this forum, as you need a certain level of knowledge in order to discuss certain topics. I try my best to absorb as much information as I can, and post when I might have something productive to say. Thank you for bringing this up in your thread. It would genuinely help if there was more support for new users of the forum. It is slightly demotivating to strive for the higher ranks when it feels as though I'm late to the party Tongue

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I like your attitude as a newbie. The only thing you need now is patience and a desire to understand the topic that has become interesting to you. Asking questions that interest you are the best step to understanding.
The forum has a lot of information written, many beginners are too lazy to read everything, asking the same questions. Hence, the feeling that no one is helping here. Although for interesting questions, there will always be many useful answers.

OcTradism

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Quote from: Daniel91 on June 26, 2020, 12:56:17 AM

Many members was in the same situation like you, newbie in the beginning 😀
We also didn't have knowledge and experience in the beginning but learned and became more experience over time.
So, if you invest your time and effort here slowly you will get some experience and knowledge and be able to join different discussions and contribute to the forum.
Don't worry, just read other posts and study about btc.

We all begin as newbies but some people are always newbies no matter which ranks they have. Before January 2018, they can rank up to top ranks but after that month, they can not. Consequently, they are forever newbies, from the aspect of ranking and from the aspect of knowledge.

Newbies forever, if don't read, learn and contribute. It is about ranking.
Newbies forever if don't learn knowledge and being unknowledgeable forever.

Pamadar

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Quote from: GeorgeJohn on June 23, 2020, 10:04:34 AM

Many newbies has dropped out in the forum because of lack of encouragement from the seniors, many beginner's has determination for the forum but it has been taking off because no support to step in next rank.
Encouragement is the back bone of learner's we need a massive support from the seniors to grow like others. remember that class one is the beginning of education.
Before account of two,one must be counted.
We lost hope to continue this journey because we assuming that our posts are irrelevant no appreciation from Seniors.
I begin to wonder how millions of people in the forum accelerates and obtained a higher rank.
We the newbies needs to be upgraded from this level to another level.
We have to know the criteria to follow so that many newbies will not fall apart.

Support will come if you deserve it,Dont expect seniors will support you just to rank up and Join bounties.

Do your things,be responsible member and the Support will come your way.

And besides sometimes Seniors are being rude not because they Hate you but they wanted you to learn in different manners.

Daniel91

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As a beginner I do find it hard to engage in conversations on this forum, as you need a certain level of knowledge in order to discuss certain topics. I try my best to absorb as much information as I can, and post when I might have something productive to say. Thank you for bringing this up in your thread. It would genuinely help if there was more support for new users of the forum. It is slightly demotivating to strive for the higher ranks when it feels as though I'm late to the party Tongue

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Many members was in the same situation like you, newbie in the beginning 😀
We also didn't have knowledge and experience in the beginning but learned and became more experience over time.
So, if you invest your time and effort here slowly you will get some experience and knowledge and be able to join different discussions and contribute to the forum.
Don't worry, just read other posts and study about btc.

nakamura12

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I don't think higher ranks didn't encourage newbies. I even see a hero member that have a merit giveaway for newbies just by posting good quality posts and will be rewarded in no time. Maybe you should read on the thread made by newbies asking questions and answered by many higher ranks as long as the question is not yet answered.

Asuspawer09

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Quote from: GeorgeJohn on June 23, 2020, 10:04:34 AM

Many newbies has dropped out in the forum because of lack of encouragement from the seniors, many beginner's has determination for the forum but it has been taking off because no support to step in next rank.
Encouragement is the back bone of learner's we need a massive support from the seniors to grow like others. remember that class one is the beginning of education.
Before account of two,one must be counted.
We lost hope to continue this journey because we assuming that our posts are irrelevant no appreciation from Seniors.
I begin to wonder how millions of people in the forum accelerates and obtained a higher rank.
We the newbies needs to be upgraded from this level to another level.
We have to know the criteria to follow so that many newbies will not fall apart.

I think they don't really need encouragement from the seniors since this is a forum and the main thing here is to get information from other members which came from their experience.

If they created an account here they are interested in cryptocurrency or bitcoin and to gain more knowledge about it, it's not a goal to rank up in the forum you don't need it.

AakZaki

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If you want to be appreciated and get services from seniors, a beginner must be more consistent and don't stop just because you don't get any response from seniors.
First class is the beginning of education, but the education received must be done well and never play truant.

Make a useful contribution to this forum. Don't just expect services to increase rank. Service will come by itself when you deserve to get it.
Senior will support when the newbie shows his quality.
Many read the rules in this forum so as not to violate the rules that have been set.

DdmrDdmr

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To provide some contextual information, I’ve gone over recent sMerits sent, to derive the associated ranks and quantities. The following is a summary of the recent sMerits sent during the period 01/06/2020 .. 19/06/2020:

https://public.tableau.com/shared/SBZSP9Y5R?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link
(Rows = Senders; Columns=Receivers)

Newbies have managed to obtain more sMerits than Jr. Members, and close to the values of Members. Big gap comparted to the higher ranks, but so is there content wise I figure.

OcTradism

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Quote from: alik111 on June 25, 2020, 04:42:31 AM

This speech really touched me because it's the truth of this forum.I see higher ranked users oftenly send merits each other a lot.Actually they deserve too.But for New and lower ranked users this forum is really difficult.
Again I want to suggest to newcomers not to leave or drop out as your hard work will not vanish.You will be successful one day.

The future of Bitcointalk: Low Ranking Top Merit earners in the past 30 days. Who sent merits to those low ranking users who are probably future of bitcointalk? And how those users earned their merits.

The last update: there are 27 newbies, 15 Junior members and 46 members who earned a lot of merits. There are 3 newbies who earned more than 30 merits in the last 30 days. Their post quality is not as high as higher ranking users but higher than shitposters' post quality.

alik111

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Quote from: GeorgeJohn on June 23, 2020, 10:04:34 AM

Many newbies has dropped out in the forum because of lack of encouragement from the seniors, many beginner's has determination for the forum but it has been taking off because no support to step in next rank.

This speech really touched me because it's the truth of this forum.I see higher ranked users oftenly send merits each other a lot.Actually they deserve too.But for New and lower ranked users this forum is really difficult.
Again I want to suggest to newcomers not to leave or drop out as your hard work will not vanish.You will be successful one day.

OcTradism

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Quote from: GeorgeJohn on June 23, 2020, 10:04:34 AM

Many newbies has dropped out in the forum because of lack of encouragement from the seniors

Encouragement can be found from the users who have the same rank as yours, not from senior members.

You can see lot of encouragements from The future of Bitcointalk: Low Ranking Top Merit earners in the past 30 days. It is more fitted lessons and encouragements for you because it's your rank, and the challenge is the same, the lessons can be learned and applied.

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many beginner's has determination for the forum but it has been taking off because no support to step in next rank.

Encouragement ~! rank or merit
There are many forums that don't have restrictions on ranking. You can make posts and rank up. If it is the encouragement you find for, you can join those forums: bitcoingarden.org, cryptotalk.org. They are small forums, and very good forums for spammers. The forum is bigger, and need restrictions on ranking up as well as more rules to keep it healthy.

If you have time to read and compare, please read and compare rules of the forum and those two forums. You will see big differences.

Don't post if you don't read: OPs, previous posts, helpful topics/ answers, pinned topics.
Don't post if you don't search.
Writing a welcome message. The welcome message means more than encouragement. It gives your encouragement, warnings, guides you how to use the forum properly to benefit yourself and warn you about risks if you use the forum improperly.
Newbies - Read before posting
Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ
Forum ranks/positions/badges (What do those shiny coins under my name mean?)

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When I was just starting here in bitcointalk I just read a lot of topics on how The forum works. I also had a couple of posts with questions that are supposed to be asked to veterans, in which I did, and they answered because I was curious.

It’s not all about how the lack of Encouragement that is within the forum but it’s with the member it’s self that registered here if they want to improve and get higher ranks.

Daniel91

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Quote from: pixie85 on June 24, 2020, 03:38:06 PM

OP please don't confuse merits with encouragement for newbies.

I see merits more like rewards for saying something others did not know or for making an interesting point in a discussion. They are not encouragements in the way that we see a newbie and react like this guy is new ahd has no merit I'll give him some so that next time he makes a better post.

The sad reality is that on this forum the merits have become the most important thing and that we only talk about them, all the time Cheesy

By definition, the forum is a place of meeting, getting to know, communicating, sharing information, acquiring friends etc.
Bitcoin forum further provides concrete information on bitcoin and bitcoin technology, altcoins etc.
But somehow it seems to me that 99% of new members don't care about it but they only think about signature campaigns, forum rank and merits.
They don't see ''merits more like rewards for saying something others did not know or for making an interesting point in a discussion'' but an obstacle that needs to be overcome as soon as possible to be able to get involved in campaign signatures and start earning bitcoins Grin

All this actually nullifies the very idea of this forum and the purpose of introducing merits.

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Newbies do not need to have a motivation to the other members especially to the senior because it is all they part if they want to learn to go to learn by your own self and if you have good content and if you want to have a motivation earn merits use this to get more motivation. You can gain a lot of knowledge and adopt the skills of different users right which is good to see because a good motivation to explore more your knowledge the last thing you need is the hard work.

I see that you already gained merit use this as the motivation to your self and ranking system is not a race still we need to have this to get into a higher position and get a good part into the signature campaign and reflects the number of contribution.

pixie85

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OP please don't confuse merits with encouragement for newbies.

I see merits more like rewards for saying something others did not know or for making an interesting point in a discussion. They are not encouragements in the way that we see a newbie and react like this guy is new ahd has no merit I'll give him some so that next time he makes a better post.

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Quote from: GeorgeJohn on June 23, 2020, 04:06:43 PM

I'm not disputing the fact that newbies are not recognized here or their not given much audience to discuss matters in the forum. Noo we are trying the way we can to ensure we make a standard post but we need to be encouraging by the seniors,
So that newbies will not degrade their selves or posts.

How do you know that this is the general sentiments of newbies I think it's just you who has that kind of sentiment, have you done a poll on newbies here do you have a thread on that where newbies can posts about their sentiment, I have seen some newbies who posts thank you posts for appreciating their efforts.

Harlot

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Is this the newest approach of newbies trying to ask for merits indirectly? IMO merits is irrelevant as rank is also irrelevant as long as you are learning in the forum personally it doesn't necessarily mean that your rank needs to progress as well, this isn't a mentorship website where you need to receive merits just to be encourage to learn. Just think about the forum when the merit system wasn't even on yet, do you think there are asking for encouragement? I don't think so. Don't look at your rank but instead look what you are learning.

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I don't think so, beginners has not be left alone by anyone -senior members-, encouragement from senior member are everywhere from coming in to answer -newbies- questions-forum,wallet,bitcoin,altcoin and more-.
To merit give aways,
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/merit-giveaway-post-useful-threads-and-earn-merit-5215727
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/merit-giveaway-open-to-newbies-and-jr-members-5200267

And to deeds from High rank member to low rank member that encourages me as a person -just imagine what it would do to the person or other serious low rank member-

Quote from: LoyceV on June 18, 2020, 11:39:09 AM

you don't look like a spammer, so you shouldn't be held back by the Merit system.

Quote from: The Cryptovator on May 10, 2020, 02:03:56 PM

seems OP just need 9 merits to become Full member, so I have sent it. Congrats for your rank up.

Even all the way down to local boards, no place is left out, senior members are everywhere doing the best they can for those doing the best they can.

Quote from: irfan_pak10 on June 21, 2020, 03:14:46 AM

I usually check my local language thread to see if someone is making efforts in making some quality posts, I usually give him merits, you can see my history I have mostly spent my merits in local boards and especially to jr members of this forum, But alas these days I'm low at merit, actually

What else do you need. The encouragement, opportunity is out there is for beginners,newbies,low rank to cease it.

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