Topic: Bernie Sanders is the Frontrunner for the Dems - page 8. (Read 1023 times)

Of course a totalitarian, authoritative strong-arm regime can show positives such as "making the trains run on time," "literacy programs," blah blah blah.

Duhhh.....

At no point in that video did he praise violence other than the overthrow of an actual dictator.  He praised food programs, land programs, youth programs, mass transit and consistently showed disdain for authoritarian and totalitarian rule. 

Its about nuance.  Every country has bad things.  The US has tortured and killed  millions.   

A while ago in one of the threads out here I had posted that it’ll be a race between Bernie vs Bloomberg, but now it looks like Biden is also yet in the race which makes these elections very interesting to watch. @squatz all your theories are legit and yea even I’m waiting for all of them to side either with Biden or Bloomberg, otherwise Sanders will easily win it and at this moment he’s looking unstoppable to me. Lastly whichever candidate wins this party will yet be divided and therefore is doomed to fail in the upcoming elections, and do mark my words that Trump will win with a very big margin because of their infighting and inability to stick together.

Its still pretty early but I definitely like the way things are shaping up!

Sanders	Buttigieg	Biden	Warren	Klobuchar
45	25	15	8	7

Finally the polls are reflecting the reality of the situation, safe to say they are a lagging indicator now.

Poll	Date	Sanders	Biden	Bloomberg	Warren	Buttigieg	Klobuchar	Steyer	Gabbard	Spread
RCP Average	2/13-2/22	29.3	17.2	15.3	13.2	9.8	6.3	2.2	1.4	Sanders +12.1

If he lasts that long, Bloomberg will pick up massive delegates in NY, maybe a few more places on the eastern seaboard, but that's it. I'm thinking its Bernie all the way at this point.

That is the talking point you are going with? Hitler pulled Germany out of a massive depression, I guess he wasn't all bad.

He said a lot more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhpVAkBDg5o

Not an issue, just wanted to make sure you noticed it. Really didn't do anything to me!

But I've been keeping the news rolling and I've seen that Bloomberg is running tons of attack ads on Bernie right now, saying that he is a supporter of the NRA and that he beleives in too relaxed of gun control laws -- which is true, pretty sure for a good amount of time he had a pretty high rating from the NRA. Makes sense that he did though, as he comes from a state with high gun ownership -- Vermont -- and that was an issue that his voters supported him in doing.

Bloomberg is currently saying that Bernie is a buddy of the NRA, while he's their enemy. Bloomberg is a large supporter of gun control groups by the way.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/02/24/mike-bloomberg-attacks-sanders-gun-control/4858400002/

Sorry about the misquote.  Don't underestimate the power of the ever-increasing desperation from the media and all other angles of establishment to smear Bernie. First he was a sexist, then he was antiunion, then he was russian, now he's a communist.  I expect something to come out smearing him as a racist against black people by the end of the week ahead of South Carolina.  They will try and try until something sticks. 

You misquoted me here, think you meant to quote Flying Hellfish. But I'll respond anyway.

That's the goal right now, try to keep Bernie under 50 percent -- and that's not going to be easy in the least. If Bernie continues to win states, the momentum is going to go his way and the voters are going to begin to see him as more and more electable as this process goes on.

As I've said time and time again, it is now Bernie vs 50 percent -- but if he continues to win every single state he'll probably beat that. If the rest of them keep the delegate count close, this'll get interesting come time for the convention in Milwaukee.

He praised a literacy program.  Are you anti-literacy?  Florida might just be.  

Unfortunately, the DNC convention does work this way.  This is why they won't drop out.  If they dropped out now, Bernie would win by even more but if they all stay in, they can keep him under 50% and pool delegates against him at the convention.  No single candidate has a chance to beat him but together they all can beat him and would preserve a chance for any of them to be the nominee on the 2nd ballot.  

Biden soaks up delegates in the south, Amy wins Minnesota,  Warren soaks up delegates on the coasts, Pete soaks up delegates in the midwest and Bloomberg buys up delegates everywhere else.  Bernie isn't going to finish less than 2nd anywhere so everyone who is competing in a single state will stay in through the convention. O

Yeah, I've seen all of those articles. Talking about how the establishment dems / dnc are in a tough predicament becuase they know they cant go after Bernie in the media -- that will just embolden his supporters -- and they don't know what exactly to do right now. As you said, they're in full panic mode.

All it is now is Bernie against the majority threshold. That's what hes fighting against.

This is not the position of "the establishment", this is the position of the majority of Americans. There aren't many things more establishment than the communist policies Bernie is pushing. You like to cry that this designation is unfair, but the man honeymooned in the USSR, and literally just praised the communist revolution in Cuba AGAIN. I assure you that just lost him AT LEAST Florida, which has a massive Cuban refugee population. Characterizing him as a communist is quite fair.

Bernie had his chance in 2016, and being the jellyfish he is, he bent over and submitted to Killery and took the absolute corrupt ass fucking he got down on his knees without so much as a peep of an objection. People are going to remember that come November. Also most Americans realize the policies he is advocating for are insane, unattainable, and will bankrupt the nation. Short of Trump starting a nuclear war, nothing is going to stop him from getting another 4 years. You keep dreaming.

The problem is anything they try will only further Bernies support...  They are trying, have you seen the real time meltdown of the talking heads on the msm. It is truly magically inspiring to watch their heads explode in real time on national television!!!  Politics 101, NEVER attack the voters you will need to vote for you...  By calling Bernie supports, fools or communists won't sit well with the folks you as a politician would need to steal from Bernie if you want to beat Bernie.  The stupidity of the establishment is beyond epic!


Neither do they, that is why they are in full on panic mode! 


Some on the far left might argue the establishments hate for Bernie is so strong they would rather Trump than Bernie. 

It doesn't matter after Bernie fucking destroyed NV.  His coalition is set in stone now, he is going to have a majority by Milwaukee so the DNC can bend the knee or go away.  This is the start of the end of the Neolibs who have destroyed the working class for 40+ years!

While I probably should've said that all of what I said has a low chance of happening, I think you've now pointed that out!

But in any case, I do truly think that the DNC isn't going to allow this to happen. They're going to try something, anything, to ensure that Bernie isn't the nominee. I'm not sure how they're going to do it, or whats going to happen, but at the end of the day they DONT want Bernie as their nominee. I'm getting very Trump like feels in regards to Bernie, which may mean that everything I'm saying is wrong and that he will perform a hostile takeover of the party (as Trump did)

We'll see )))))

I love this talking point!  If only elections and voters worked like this.  You would think that after all the years and after 2016 the MSM would finally understand that the "lanes" theory doesn't work.  Everyone kept saying the moderate gop candidates should drop out to coalesce around 1 candidate to beat trump.  What happened was when those morons dropped out Trump scooped up a big enough part of them to crush even more! Voters are not ideologically locked into one lane, look at Bidens polls, consistently the second choice of Biden supporters is Bernie.  Lanes aren't real except for in the talking head class!


Joe biden has run for the nomination for presidential candidate 3 times now. In those 3 attempts he has NEVER won a single state...  I love how the moderates and msm are claiming that Biden losing by almost 30 points is a strong finish LOL (please Joe keep finishing that strong!).  Imagine for a second Bernie after winning IA and NH losing by 30 points to anyone the msm would declare his campaign over!  Now imagine Bernie finished 4th and 5th in IA and NH and then finishing 2nd by 30 points, they would be laughing on TV at him, but of course it was a strong finish for Joe!

I also love how they keep moving the goal posts.  "Don't worry when IA votes Bernie will be done", "Pete did so well in IA that Bernie is in trouble in NH", "wait till NV when a multi-racial state votes", "wait till SC when black voters weigh in", wait till super tuesday when Bloomberg will swoop in with billions to save us moderates", "wait till the convention so we can super delegate Bernies ass.

Please please moderates keep waiting while Bernie racks up state after state and continues to raise millions upon millions of dollars more than the non billionaire candidates!  Thank you establishment for making this so much easier!


Bloomberg has zero percent chance of hitting the convention with a plurality let alone a majority.  His only chance (and its pretty much gone now) is a brokered convention.  Imagine spending billions of dollars when your best shot is a brokered convention that if stolen will guarantee you can't win the general!  Bloomberg has a limit on what his money will buy (a ceiling, you know like the one the msm claimed Bernie has a 20% ceiling LOLOLOL), ask Tom Steyer who spent 10's of millions in NV only to finish with nothing, absolutely nothing.  Honestly Bloombergs attack ads on Trump help Bernie, they remind voters how much they hate trump and they remind voters that he is trying to buy the election and that his money is a problem in politics just like the front runner Bernie has been saying for 40 years!  Bloomberg is GIVING Bernie's message half a billion dollars of confirmation!!!

Thank you moderates and establishment morons, your predictable, consistent hypocrisy is fueling the exact thing you are terrified of!  Bernies train is fueled on establishment tears so I for one hope they don't stop crying anytime soon!

Now lets hear all the party unity and vote blue no matter who the establishment has been screaming about since 2016 (don't hold your breath though it would be hazardous to your health)!

TLDR;  It's too late, barring some crazy shit happening Bernie will be the democratic nominee for President in 2020!  

There are parallels here with the UK. I would concur that the DNC will do everything they can to stop Sanders, as the Labour party in the UK did everything they could to stop Corbyn becoming leader. I would say the rise of a Sanders-like politician to electoral victory fairly soon is inevitable - but whether or not this will be in the US is a different question.

The rise of globalisation and the legacy of inequality from the Reagan/Thatcher years is at the root of all this. There is a huge and growing underclass of disenfranchised, alienated voters, who over the last few decades have watched the wealth of their nations grow, whilst they themselves have not shared in the benefits.

This has led to a pervasive disenchantment with mainstream politics. "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world." Politics is cyclic, and for the moment centrism is dead. Centrists are those who in the eyes of the disenchanted 'got us where we are today'. The moment is ripe for outsider politicians who rail against the state to sweep into power. You might expect at this point that a socialist-orientated politician would surge to victory on a platform of reducing inequality and reining in the excesses of tax-evading billionaires. This has not happened, for a number of reasons, including the long shadow cast by the fall of communism. The main reason however is that our societies are plutocratic, with a thin veneer of democracy laid over the top: the rich control the media, and it is straightforward for them to demonise socialist-leaning politicians as communists, anti-semites, terrorist-sympathisers, etc etc ad nauseam.

So this brings us to the victories of right-wing populists, Trump of course, but replicated in a lot of places, Johnson now in the UK, Modi, Duterte, Bolsonaro...

The centre has been flatly rejected; the alternatives - in these countries at least - are hard-left or hard-right. The right is in power. But they can't go on forever. Trump can't go on forever, Modi with his outright Hindu nationalism can't go on forever. We will reach a tipping point when the electorate realise that these new populists don't represent their interests. At that time, whether it happens first in the US or elsewhere, we will see a socialist win an election... and I believe the effect will then spread.

In answer to the original question then - I believe that Bernie or someone like him will win soon, and the effect will spread across nations. In the US a lot obviously hinges on the opposition of the DNC. If he can get past them, then he is probably the only one who can defeat Trump. A lot of people in a lot of countries are watching on, hoping that the US can take the lead here.

I never thought I'd be saying this (Flying Hellfish knows this is true) but currently, Bernie Sanders who is an independent, is the frontrunner to be the Dem nominee in 2020. Not something I imagined would happen with someone who self identifies as a Democratic Socialist, but it's where we're at today.

I still think that the DNC is going to fight tooth and nail to steal this one from Bernie. I have a few theories on how this is going to be done. Obviously all of this is given that Bernie doesn't have a majority of the delegates (1996 delegates, something around that) at the time of the convention:

1. The Moderates Band Together - Not sure who would be the to lead this coalition. But this is pretty much the line of thinking that Pete, Klobuchar, Bloomberg, and Biden all work together in someway to win the nomination. If they all pooled their polling numbers together, they'd be a true formidable foe to Bernie. They could even keep running at the moment and try to pick up as many delegates as they can, using their delegates on one another.

2. The Re-Rise of Biden - Biden had a strong second place finish in Nevada, exactly what his campaign needed. If he has a real strong finish in South Carolina, like his campaign has been relying HEAVILY on, then he could be back in the race. He'd still need some of the other moderates to drop out to REALLY have a shot, but even without this he could show himself to be the only one who could go against Bernie. Horrible candidate in my eyes, but possible.

3. Mr. Money Bags - Bloomberg is able to pull off the unthinkable. Even after his horrible debate performance, the voters disregard this and they just look at all of the ads that he's dumped into their states and they pick him. This is what the Bloomberg camp is hoping and praying for. They need a BIG WIN on super Tuesday to use as their mandate to lead. Even a strong second place finish in every single Super T state will mean that he can push the other moderate voters toward himself.

Anyone agree, disagree, etc? I'd love to heard it.