Topic: Best Method: How to mix - the entire process - page 2. (Read 317 times)

Actually, for this example, I do want to be completely anonymous.

I will keep other coins for myself that won't go through the process discussed here.

Thanks... if I "do" need to use VPN/Tor before mixing, am I looking for a
1/  Mixer that only uses Tor,
2/  using Tor on my OS/Mac (before mixing),
3/  using a wallet that has Tor (before mixing)?


I have downloaded Wasabi but have never used it before. Why do you suggest Wasabi be used in addition to the Mixer?

To safely receive coins from the mixer, can't a Trezor be used in conjunction with a VPN?

I see. Actually as these particular coins weren’t from an Exchange / KYC (Know your customer).. do they even need to be mixed?




Thanks. All my accounts / addresses in my Trezor wallet containing mixed coins will be kept separate from my Trezor un-mixed coins.

I won't be mixing most of my coins, just a small portion.
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Use .onion version of the mixer.


Use a VPN, a free one is okay too. Create a new wallet while your VPN is active. Send the mixed coins to the new wallet. And from now on, use VPN always even when you load the wallet. Never send the coins to any service which requires KYC and an address of yours which is known to others.

To mix, so far Chipmixer is the best IMO.

I am recommending him not to have total anonymity in all his coins. Because that might become a problem in the future.

Being fully anonymous may not be what he wishes. It is good to have that option, but that comes with a risk also.

There's need to use VPN/TOR before mixing coins but in a situation when privacy is top priority it is better to use Tor because some mixing company use cloudflare.

Thats why it important to use reputable mixing company with the inclusion of privacy wallet like wasabi/samurai should enough to have total anonymity and was what theymos advised either i.e
Software wallet (Electrum) - - - - - > Mixer - - - - - > wasabi/samurai  - - - - - > Hardware wallet/Destination

It is not necessary, because the problem is taht your coins now are linked to your ID somewhere, right? An exchange probably, which you did KYC. As exchanges addresses are known, those coins are linked to an exchange (in the blockchain), and that exchange has your ID. so they are linked to you.

Once you get new coins from the mixer, those coins are not going to be connect to you in any way in the blockchain. Blockchain does not store any IP related data.

There might be some exceptions if you are ultraparanoid (and don't know any now), but it is not necessary for average users who just want to get new clean coins.


Well, not that ironic.

You will have "sterilized" coins. Everyone will know those coins came from a mixing service.

Why did you sterilized it? Did your money came from ilegal activities? you cannot prove it, no one can, because they are sterilized. Authorities may aask: What are you hiding?

Some exchanges do not accepts coisn that came from mixers or casinos. However, there are ways to bypass that check.

But we don't know how will authorities deal with mixing services in the future, neither how will each country deal with that.

You can watch this video from antonopoulous about it:

Bitcoin Q&A: Blacklists, taint, and wallet fingerprinting

Thank you. I have read all 20 pages of the thread I posted the link to above, and I see LeGaulois is a very active user and rates the service highly.



Thank you. So I guess this process would work for "New seed in Trezor" method:

  Software wallet (Electrum) - - - - - > Hardware wallet (Address 1, Seed 1) - - - - - > Mixer - - - - - > Hardware wallet (Address 2, Seed 2) - - - - - > Destination



Not at any stage in the process?  I am surprised.



This seems somewhat ironic, as the tumbling process seems to be promoted as some form of sterilization.
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Most known and used mix in this community (bitcointalk) is Chipmixer. It is widely used here and there are no big problems by people who use it.



You are right to be worried about keeping those coins private after mixing.

You should not use your recent mixed coins together with your old compromised addresses in the same transaction. The easiest way to do that is to simple generate a new SEED in your trezor and send your new coins to a new address using that seed.

Alternatively, you can use electrum and use coin control feature, which will allow you to choose which address to spend in each transaction. I do not recommend that method if you are too worried about privacy, as you may make a mistake some day and link those mixed coins back to you.


No need to use VPN/TOR when mixing coins.

It is also important to remember that you shouldn't mix ALL of your coins, because in the future we don't know if those coins that came from mixers will be "tainted". Unless you really need to do so.

Hi guys,
I wanted to start this thread to explore the best method for mixing / tumbling bitcoins, to leave no trace of ownership, but the whole process, not just 'which bitcoin mixer to use'.  I want to choose a reliable mixer, but... I also don't want to screw up the process due to 'human error'.

I am still very new to this process, so please excuse my lack of experience.

There are many mixers on the market. Many of them seem to be scams, in which you test them first with a small transaction and all seems fine, but then you send a second (large) transaction through, and they rob you. Mixers are compared here, a great thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/2023-list-bitcoin-mixers-bitcoin-tumblers-websites-2827109

However, I wanted to explore the entire process from star to finish – the beginning and the end, not just the mixing stage in the middle.

SENDING:
What is the safest way to 'send' your coins to the mixer in the first place?
... Should I use a VPN?.. What browser?.. If needed, how do I create a Tor environment on my computer?.. What is the safest (most anonymous) wallet to 'send' from?.. How many wallet transactions before sending to a mixer?

MIXING:
Middle stage

RECEIVING:
What is the safest way to 'receive' your coins from the mixer after they've been tumbled?
... Should I use a VPN?.. What browser?.. If needed, how do I create a Tor environment on my computer?.. What is the safest (most anonymous) wallet to 'receive' coins – and then send to a destination wallet?

Reading the text on the sites of various mixers, they claim that their mixer works very well and protects the user's ID.. but they also remind the user that anonymity is most often compromised by 'human error' when the user doesn't use the best practices when / after receiving the coins...
... this is what I'd like to explore.

If anyone can offer any advice I'd really appreciate it.
Thanks

PS: I have invested in a Trezor hardware wallet.