Best place to build the Bitcoin island in the international waters - page 5.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 24, 2014, 11:47:17 AM

Quote from: kuroman on April 24, 2014, 11:24:51 AM

The advantage is that if you go with a deep water project is that you'll go with a floating design than building in island from shore ground.

No we are not going for a floating project. Anyway, floating islands can become unstable if they exceed a particular size and will eventually break-up. And regarding the costs for filling 200 meters of sea, it will be surely more than $250 billion. A total of around 5 billion cubic meters of maters will be needed for a pyramidal structure. Even if it is entirely of sand, it will cost some $35 billion. But we need a lot of concrete, steel and other materials. So the cost will rise to many times that.

No they don't: Oil platforms (heck oil platform has dig anywhere from 4 to 12km deep and the head had to go straight (if the platform move it could break the whole drilling head and what's not, yet it doesn't happen why? because the platforms are stabilized and fixed in the location. And can you please provide more data about the costs you are talking about and how you are able to calculate them.

Also if you are going to build an Island on international water, no matter where you built it it will not be on shallow water for sure so I believe that this shoudn't be an argument to begin with

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Quote from: kuroman on April 24, 2014, 11:24:51 AM

The advantage is that if you go with a deep water project is that you'll go with a floating design than building in island from shore ground.

No we are not going for a floating project. Anyway, floating islands can become unstable if they exceed a particular size and will eventually break-up. And regarding the costs for filling 200 meters of sea, it will be surely more than $250 billion. A total of around 5 billion cubic meters of maters will be needed for a pyramidal structure. Even if it is entirely of sand, it will cost some $35 billion. But we need a lot of concrete, steel and other materials. So the cost will rise to many times that.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 24, 2014, 11:10:51 AM

Quote from: kuroman on April 24, 2014, 10:59:00 AM

International are by definition deep, and both location have some places that are not deep and they are on international deep (of course it's all relative but 100 or 200meters deep, is not close 2 or 3 or 4Km deep

Constructing an artificial island in an area with a depth of 200m requires huge amount of money. The construction cost for a 10 sq. km island there can be well over $250 billion. No one has done that before, and I really doubt whether such an island can be stable.

250 billion usd is more than enough to wage war against small countries and conquer them or buy an island with independence declaration included.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 24, 2014, 11:10:51 AM

Quote from: kuroman on April 24, 2014, 10:59:00 AM

International are by definition deep, and both location have some places that are not deep and they are on international deep (of course it's all relative but 100 or 200meters deep, is not close 2 or 3 or 4Km deep

Constructing an artificial island in an area with a depth of 200m requires huge amount of money. The construction cost for a 10 sq. km island there can be well over $250 billion. No one has done that before, and I really doubt whether such an island can be stable.

$250 Billion is too much, it will cost billions for sure but at 2 digits at most because as I mentioned the region is not that expensive, being it in terms of building materials or workers. and at this stage building an artificial Island being it on shallow or intermediate or deep water is an expensive thing to do and will cost billions, the advantage is that if you go with a deep water project is that you'll go with a floating design than building in island from shore ground. also like I said by definition international waters are deep (might be an exception but doubtful) since the rules depending if you it is an island or continental country (plateau) the national water spread several dozens of km from the shore

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Quote from: kuroman on April 24, 2014, 10:59:00 AM

International are by definition deep, and both location have some places that are not deep and they are on international deep (of course it's all relative but 100 or 200meters deep, is not close 2 or 3 or 4Km deep

Constructing an artificial island in an area with a depth of 200m requires huge amount of money. The construction cost for a 10 sq. km island there can be well over $250 billion. No one has done that before, and I really doubt whether such an island can be stable.

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Quote from: kuroman on April 24, 2014, 10:59:00 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 23, 2014, 10:09:37 AM

Quote from: kuroman on April 20, 2014, 10:47:35 AM

There are 2 places that come to mind (and I expressed this in another articale)

1. Near Morocco in the atlantic ocean, where fiber optic lines coming from NA, EU and Africa meets

2. The other place, is a bit disadvantageous, but has similar advantages, I believe south asian region, near philipines, is a good place

Checked both the locations. Internationals waters near these two locations are too deep to build the island. Shallower locations are available, but they are not in the international waters.

International are by definition deep, and both location have some places that are not deep and they are on international deep (of course it's all relative but 100 or 200meters deep, is not close 2 or 3 or 4Km deep

oh i go for # 2 Wink

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 23, 2014, 10:09:37 AM

Quote from: kuroman on April 20, 2014, 10:47:35 AM

There are 2 places that come to mind (and I expressed this in another articale)

1. Near Morocco in the atlantic ocean, where fiber optic lines coming from NA, EU and Africa meets

2. The other place, is a bit disadvantageous, but has similar advantages, I believe south asian region, near philipines, is a good place

Checked both the locations. Internationals waters near these two locations are too deep to build the island. Shallower locations are available, but they are not in the international waters.

International waters are by definition deep, and both location have some places that are not deep and they are on international deep (of course it's all relative but 100 or 200meters deep, is not close 2 or 3 or 4Km deep

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 24, 2014, 10:46:28 AM

Quote from: cosmofly on April 24, 2014, 08:55:57 AM

There are 400 or more types of plants, fruits and vegetables that can be grown in a high quality aquaponics system. A large number of them are highly nutrious such as tomatoes, lettuce, bananas, etc
We can also nurture a variety of fish that we can eat from although we can simply fish our own fish from the ocean
In terms of meat, we can use plants grown on aquaponics to feed animals or we can import our meat to start with.
In terms of cereals yes it's limited we can always import those or find other solutions or adjust our diet accordingly.
What's more important is we can sustain ourselves 100% with just aquaponics, fish (farmed or wild) and limited animals. The rest can be imported, There is so much potential in this field for Bitcoin island sustainability.
Aquaponics can also be used to create our own biofuels, just see where this can go.
As for drinking water, we can use desalination powered by solar energy, that solves part of the problem but the cost of desal is still high.

Hmmm.. so I think that we can be self-sufficient on almost all food materials, with the exception of cereals. And regarding the drinking water, we will either decide to go for salt-water desalination or rain water harvesting.

Why not both? It's good to have multiple options.

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Quote from: cosmofly on April 24, 2014, 08:55:57 AM

There are 400 or more types of plants, fruits and vegetables that can be grown in a high quality aquaponics system. A large number of them are highly nutrious such as tomatoes, lettuce, bananas, etc
We can also nurture a variety of fish that we can eat from although we can simply fish our own fish from the ocean
In terms of meat, we can use plants grown on aquaponics to feed animals or we can import our meat to start with.
In terms of cereals yes it's limited we can always import those or find other solutions or adjust our diet accordingly.
What's more important is we can sustain ourselves 100% with just aquaponics, fish (farmed or wild) and limited animals. The rest can be imported, There is so much potential in this field for Bitcoin island sustainability.
Aquaponics can also be used to create our own biofuels, just see where this can go.
As for drinking water, we can use desalination powered by solar energy, that solves part of the problem but the cost of desal is still high.

Hmmm.. so I think that we can be self-sufficient on almost all food materials, with the exception of cereals. And regarding the drinking water, we will either decide to go for salt-water desalination or rain water harvesting.

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why not a Bitcoin Space station ?

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Quote from: blacksails on April 24, 2014, 10:12:58 AM

We could also have a few growing house(s), a few high-rises of glass in which we have strong lights, soil and water. With enough light we could grow staple food in there. As long as we produce our own energy on the island, the electricity needed would not cost us anything. The top floors could be a green house, and would not need any artificial lights either. That could be an option to grow some stuff on the island anyway.

Nice ide

If we build a island for scratch we should be able to create one or more artificial points were the underwater current will be strong that will be the place for our main power supply, it will be endless free green electricity.

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We could also have a few growing house(s), a few high-rises of glass in which we have strong lights, soil and water. With enough light we could grow staple food in there. As long as we produce our own energy on the island, the electricity needed would not cost us anything. The top floors could be a green house, and would not need any artificial lights either. That could be an option to grow some stuff on the island anyway.

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Quote from: cosmofly on April 24, 2014, 07:28:50 AM

Quote from: jinjuro on April 24, 2014, 07:26:30 AM

How we gonna feed our people? By importing or by growing it on farms on the Island?

Aquaponics will solve all our agri issues, I will be on the island advisory board of agriculture and help set this up.

It’s a very good idea it will solve the basic food need. We code build floating concert platforms to grow on, it would take up less space and it’s cheaper to build than building more land and it we can move them around. We will not be able to grow all the luxury food when it takes up to much land but I think we can cover the basic food need, so in case of an emergency we will not starve to death.

Also I think we will have an ideal place to grow fish. We can have cages underneath the concrete platform to use for growing fish in the salt water.

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Quote from: dogechode on April 24, 2014, 08:51:21 AM

Depending on imports for your food supply is generally a bad plan. Soon as you piss off the wrong people, you could get blockaded or sanctioned or whatever... a few days without food and your whole population is liable to turn on you.

Who the fuck eats cereal? Was that a joke? Yeah I don't think anyone wants to move to a bitcoin island to eat basic grain products. You better plan on being able to delivery luxury.

You do realize that quite a lot of countries don't even have enough of those basic products?
Order your luxury items over ebay and amazon (not food of course).

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 24, 2014, 08:37:30 AM

Quote from: Lauda on April 24, 2014, 07:37:26 AM

We will be fine if we have a strong economy. Also we don't need to plan food for a lot of people for starters.

That is also the case. The population will only slowly increase. Don't know how many of the shareholders will actually move in to the island.

Quote from: jinjuro on April 24, 2014, 08:00:28 AM

This could be the solution for the lack of space. We can make a floating Aquaponics.

Staple crops such as cereals cannot be grown efficiently using Aquaponics. But it is an option which can be explored.

There are 400 or more types of plants, fruits and vegetables that can be grown in a high quality aquaponics system. A large number of them are highly nutrious such as tomatoes, lettuce, bananas, etc

We can also nurture a variety of fish that we can eat from although we can simply fish our own fish from the ocean

In terms of meat, we can use plants grown on aquaponics to feed animals or we can import our meat to start with.

In terms of cereals yes it's limited we can always import those or find other solutions or adjust our diet accordingly.

What's more important is we can sustain ourselves 100% with just aquaponics, fish (farmed or wild) and limited animals. The rest can be imported, There is so much potential in this field for Bitcoin island sustainability.

Aquaponics can also be used to create our own biofuels, just see where this can go.

As for drinking water, we can use desalination powered by solar energy, that solves part of the problem but the cost of desal is still high.

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Depending on imports for your food supply is generally a bad plan. Soon as you piss off the wrong people, you could get blockaded or sanctioned or whatever... a few days without food and your whole population is liable to turn on you.

Who the fuck eats cereal? Was that a joke? Yeah I don't think anyone wants to move to a bitcoin island to eat basic grain products. You better plan on being able to delivery luxury.

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Quote from: Lauda on April 24, 2014, 07:37:26 AM

We will be fine if we have a strong economy. Also we don't need to plan food for a lot of people for starters.

That is also the case. The population will only slowly increase. Don't know how many of the shareholders will actually move in to the island.

Quote from: jinjuro on April 24, 2014, 08:00:28 AM

This could be the solution for the lack of space. We can make a floating Aquaponics.

Staple crops such as cereals cannot be grown efficiently using Aquaponics. But it is an option which can be explored.

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Quote from: cosmofly on April 24, 2014, 07:28:50 AM

Quote from: jinjuro on April 24, 2014, 07:26:30 AM

How we gonna feed our people? By importing or by growing it on farms on the Island?

Aquaponics will solve all our agri issues, I will be on the island advisory board of agriculture and help set this up.

This could be the solution for the lack of space. We can make a floating Aquaponics.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 24, 2014, 07:31:19 AM

Quote from: jinjuro on April 24, 2014, 07:26:30 AM

How we gonna feed our people? By importing or by growing it on farms on the Island?

Unfortunately we will have to import most of our food, probably with the exception of fish and other aqua-products. Even if we divert 1/3rd of the land for agriculture (~800 acres, and I don't think that much will be available for farming), it will only produce less than 3,000 tonnes of cereals. Not enough to feed tens of thousands of people.

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Hong Kong, a major Asian economy, imports food to the tune of almost 4.4 per cent of its GDP.

We will be fine if we have a strong economy. Also we don't need to plan food for a lot of people for starters.

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