Topic: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon - page 26. (Read 11599 times)

Excellent article, I am reading up on it now but had to post here after reading this part:

"The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances. The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show"

The NYTimes won a Pulitzer for the most in depth investigation from documents we recently found out were provided by his Niece.

Like the Mueller report it proves Trump is a fraud and a criminal but it's too long and complicated for many Trump supporters to read even if they wanted to.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html

Did anybody newspaper ever publish Trump's tax returns?

No.

No..
Just the fact that that is the reason why she was selected, is what I have a gripe about..
Other than that I don’t care that she is whatever she is, and I hear she is basically a mostly centrist fake progressive that will probably just float around with the tide of the Democrat party as far as her policy positions..
No real convictions, just a pleaser..
And I’m sure her history as a prosecutor will go over really well with the anti-police folk..

Trump is obviously very intelligent and a very successful businessman..
Any disagreement with that is nonsense.. He has also done a great job as president thus far..

Other cultures are celebrated ad nausium for whatever their histories, accomplishments, and eccentricities are/were while white culture, that brought the world ideas if liberty, freedom, human rights, democracy, and great advancements in medicine, industry and mechanization, technology, and all, is despised..

All sorts of acceptance and glorification for black pride and latino pride while “white pride” is so strongly discouraged?
You know damn well what Im talking about..

Who said that “If Biden doesn't chose a female minority for VP he will loose the election”? And thats exactly what he did and probably exactly for that reason..
That shit is bananas and it would never be acceptable if the roles were reversed..

Trying out “something else” for a change?
As if anything but a white male is “something else”?
What exactly do you mean by that???
Is their something inherently different about “white males” in specific that would make anything else so different?
You think that given the same education, experience, and inteligence that a woman or other race would think or act differently for some reason??
What is so different about another race or gender? Hmmm??
Are we different? How so?

Taking pride in shit you were born into is pretty cringeworthy, regardless of who does it. It's like if tall people walked around reminding everyone how awesome it was to be tall, or born into wealth for that matter. It's not very impressive if these things are just handed to you from birth and then you celebrate them as some sort of accomplishment.

Kamala Harris worked far harder in life than you or I ever did to get where she is today. I'm willing to give her a chance. If you're not, then fine, vote for Trump. Not that Trump had many great qualifications to be president -- what's the actual difference between her and Harris, besides the fact that he's a white male?

Praising people simply because other people of that skin tone have made accomplishments before them is just plain nonsense.

BTW, nobody is saying there is anything wrong with white males. I'm just open minded to the possibility of trying out something else for a change.

Their is nothing wrong with a woman or any race of president/VP candidate imo, until that is being used as THE reason to vote for them..

This ship, still the greatest ship in the world btw, has been ran by mostly white males for a reason..
The reason being that statistically white males are much more likely to be available and well qualified for the job..
Not saying that women or other races cannot be, but are statistically much less likely to be..

And their is nothing wrong with white males.. They are kinda responsible for the modern luxurious, technological, and civilized way of life we all take for granted these days..
They should be praised and thanked for bringing the world forward into what it is today, rather than hated out of sheer jealousy..

Seeing as how every Vice President ever has been a white male, I don't think a change-up is necessarily a bad thing. Slipping one non-white female in there doesn't equal "blatant anti-white male bigotry," necessarily. White guys co-piloted the ship for 240 years. The ship isn't doing so well now; I'm open to trying something else. Historically speaking, having a female vice presidential candidate has spelled doom for the party that had them, so consider Harris a statistical blessing.

I'm more interested in how the Electoral College vote will play out anyhow, since we don't actually live in a democracy and the fate of the nation is ultimately decided by a select group of political elite. Here is my "worst case scenario" for the Dems, giving Ohio, Wisconsin and Florida to Trump:



Trump would need to have those 3 states plus one of any other to pull off the V. Other states potentially flippable are:

- Nevada
- Virginia
- Michigan
- Pennsylvania

But for Trump to get any one of those while also still getting Ohio, Wisconsin and Florida... I just don't see it happening. He could get Michigan and Virginia and then lose Florida, and still lose.

If you want to create your own Electoral College map, you can do it here, its kind of fun to explore potential outcomes:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/create_your_own_president_map.html

I think it's just Trump being effective at convincing people to believe something and then go repeat it other people.


Recently it seems to be happening more and more.  Trump says something like 'Kamala Harris is a radical leftist' and boom - talking point for everyone.

This is a semantics argument. Essentially disagreeing just to disagree. Hiding in the basement, not quite putting himself out there -- call it what you want.



I don't consider a rehearsed scripted event a press conference. It is by technicality but the point was Joe Biden hasn't taken questions from the press in a while.


People can vote for who they choose but my point was that the majority of voters voting for Biden citing the reason of "not Trump" is indicative of tribalism in politics that aren't rooted in policy. It's not that they shouldn't vote for Biden.

Should it?
Vote for me because I’m a woman and brown?

Just sounds like more of the usual and ever increasing blatant anti-white male bigotry to me..

To have a female running mate as a potential Vice President who is a person of colour and of mixed heritage that must count for something more than a 1 that you gave, right?

You didn't say 'Biden isn't quite putting himself out there', and I wouldn't have pushed back if you did.


I was responding to your claim that Biden 'hasn't done a press conference in ages'.  

Were you just trying to say that you don't think people should vote for Biden?  Or are you making an argument that disliking one candidate shouldn't be a reason to vote for the other candidate?

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Biden said so many stupid things in his life that Trump can post anti-Biden videos on twitter every single day.
Kamala Harris will only ruin her own reputation after this move, and that will not help Biden at all.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1293368220498505728

You really don't want the Biden team in there. Watch the video.





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On a scale of 1 to 10, how much will having Kamala Harris as a running mate and potential Vice President going to help Biden?

If this is some sort of unfair winning strategy... Trump could do that too if he wanted to but he insists on making a fool of himself. Hardly Biden's fault.

If Trump was a sane candidate this strategy wouldn't work against him but right now he's basically campaigning for Biden one tweet at a time.

I'm not sure what you would constitute as hiding. I guess we have different definitions. Reading a scripted speech word from word in a rehearsed press event isn't quite putting yourself out there.


Hiding in the basement and crawling out one in a blue moon to read a script in a rehearsed event are the same imo.



Press conference without answering any questions from the press? Brave.


This was the point I was making. What you're describing is tribalism in politics. The reasons people feel inclined that Candidate A would be horrible are not policy based, evident from the Pew Research poll.


lmaooo

I am serious and I didn't claim what your implying I did.

He's avoiding tough interviews or any situation where he might fuck up and give Trump ammo and would be a fool not to.  Notice how it's the republicans trying to get him to talk? That's because they want him to lose.  

That doesn't mean he's been hiding in his basement though.  Hiding in your basement and not talking to reporters are not the same.  Especially when the most recent example of turning down questions was at a press conference watched by millions of people.
The press conference was 3 days ago.



I posted a screenshot of the poll you linked above.

Try thinking about it without Trump being involved, or even political parties.
If you felt very strongly that a victory for candidate A would be horrible, and didn't agree with candidate B but felt they would be a much better president than candidate A, would you have a reason to vote?