Topic: Betcoin.AG fraud (Read 820 times)
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Really it seems like OP has a gambling problem among other problems. He should probably consider taking a break from gambling for a while. He sounds like a nightmare customer.
OP is stupid and I this thread has nudged me more than what was necessary; I've removed my previous negative trust.
Kerry,
The fact that you are posting under a different account than you started the thread with says a lot about you.
The fact that your 3 known accounts (javybaez2020, kerrywoodwins20 and sportsbookmonitor) accuse at least 4 different, reputable sites of being dishonest says a lot about you.
The fact that you are the only player having this issue on our site and you accused another reputable site of this same issue says a lot about you.
The fact that you posted a public apology to us a week ago while privately begging for your account back through 12 emails and 3 tickets says a lot about you.
The fact that after we refused, you said you would continue to post negative things about us on the forums until we did, says a lot about you.
In fact, we know that if we gave you your account back, you would delete all your negative posts. We know this because it has happened. Twice. The last 2 times we gave you your account back. We have evidence to back this up and will post it if you deny it.
If anyone is just coming into the thread, please review it in its entirety, because we stopped responding to this accusation once we had addressed each of his issues but each issue was clearly addressed. We are always here to answer any questions or concerns any other players have. Thank you.
The fact that you are posting under a different account than you started the thread with says a lot about you.
The fact that your 3 known accounts (javybaez2020, kerrywoodwins20 and sportsbookmonitor) accuse at least 4 different, reputable sites of being dishonest says a lot about you.
The fact that you are the only player having this issue on our site and you accused another reputable site of this same issue says a lot about you.
The fact that you posted a public apology to us a week ago while privately begging for your account back through 12 emails and 3 tickets says a lot about you.
The fact that after we refused, you said you would continue to post negative things about us on the forums until we did, says a lot about you.
In fact, we know that if we gave you your account back, you would delete all your negative posts. We know this because it has happened. Twice. The last 2 times we gave you your account back. We have evidence to back this up and will post it if you deny it.
If anyone is just coming into the thread, please review it in its entirety, because we stopped responding to this accusation once we had addressed each of his issues but each issue was clearly addressed. We are always here to answer any questions or concerns any other players have. Thank you.
The issue here is that yes there was a problem with betcoin.ag once upon a time and nobody disputes that but this person complaints about something once happened and not currently happening as of right now.
So, the question becomes how long will we put the casinos in negative until all that is past and now they are true, now if it happened 10 minutes ago we would still assume that is bad, but we had problems dating as far as 3 years ago, would you still condemn a place for what they did 3 years ago and manage to even re-tribute that positively and improved themselves ? Has there been an issue in the past week for example ?
If a place is bad than yeah we would all put negative trust on them but if a place had an issue back in the day but improved themselves and now better we can't keep a grudge for this long.
So, the question becomes how long will we put the casinos in negative until all that is past and now they are true, now if it happened 10 minutes ago we would still assume that is bad, but we had problems dating as far as 3 years ago, would you still condemn a place for what they did 3 years ago and manage to even re-tribute that positively and improved themselves ? Has there been an issue in the past week for example ?
If a place is bad than yeah we would all put negative trust on them but if a place had an issue back in the day but improved themselves and now better we can't keep a grudge for this long.
Betcoin showed the chat history with the player who is complaining , they clearly kept offering him chips and bonuses and he was satisfied but the moment they decided to not offer him any more chips he started complaining here about something that happened long time ago
the fact that he continued playing with Betcoin clearly shows that he was satisfied with them cause it makes no sense to play with a scam site
there are plenty of alternatives but he simply decided to continue playing with Betcoin , does that make sense ?
They already admitted they scammed players for 2 years and have offered no compensation.
You're just a shill bitch.
Instead of PMing you, I believe opening an scam accusation will work better. The community can decide what to do with them (if they have a profile in BitcoinTalk)
Keep things public if there are no sensitive information.
Yes I agree you should start a scam accusation on this section.Keep things public if there are no sensitive information.
And you should also post the evidence of your accusation.
The issue here is that yes there was a problem with betcoin.ag once upon a time and nobody disputes that but this person complaints about something once happened and not currently happening as of right now.
So, the question becomes how long will we put the casinos in negative until all that is past and now they are true, now if it happened 10 minutes ago we would still assume that is bad, but we had problems dating as far as 3 years ago, would you still condemn a place for what they did 3 years ago and manage to even re-tribute that positively and improved themselves ? Has there been an issue in the past week for example ?
If a place is bad than yeah we would all put negative trust on them but if a place had an issue back in the day but improved themselves and now better we can't keep a grudge for this long.
So, the question becomes how long will we put the casinos in negative until all that is past and now they are true, now if it happened 10 minutes ago we would still assume that is bad, but we had problems dating as far as 3 years ago, would you still condemn a place for what they did 3 years ago and manage to even re-tribute that positively and improved themselves ? Has there been an issue in the past week for example ?
If a place is bad than yeah we would all put negative trust on them but if a place had an issue back in the day but improved themselves and now better we can't keep a grudge for this long.
Betcoin showed the chat history with the player who is complaining , they clearly kept offering him chips and bonuses and he was satisfied but the moment they decided to not offer him any more chips he started complaining here about something that happened long time ago
the fact that he continued playing with Betcoin clearly shows that he was satisfied with them cause it makes no sense to play with a scam site
there are plenty of alternatives but he simply decided to continue playing with Betcoin , does that make sense ?
The issue here is that yes there was a problem with betcoin.ag once upon a time and nobody disputes that but this person complaints about something once happened and not currently happening as of right now.
So, the question becomes how long will we put the casinos in negative until all that is past and now they are true, now if it happened 10 minutes ago we would still assume that is bad, but we had problems dating as far as 3 years ago, would you still condemn a place for what they did 3 years ago and manage to even re-tribute that positively and improved themselves ? Has there been an issue in the past week for example ?
If a place is bad than yeah we would all put negative trust on them but if a place had an issue back in the day but improved themselves and now better we can't keep a grudge for this long.
So, the question becomes how long will we put the casinos in negative until all that is past and now they are true, now if it happened 10 minutes ago we would still assume that is bad, but we had problems dating as far as 3 years ago, would you still condemn a place for what they did 3 years ago and manage to even re-tribute that positively and improved themselves ? Has there been an issue in the past week for example ?
If a place is bad than yeah we would all put negative trust on them but if a place had an issue back in the day but improved themselves and now better we can't keep a grudge for this long.
I hope that you will be able to punish scammers.
It’s good that now my black list of sites has been added to another entry.
What do you think should be done to prevent scammers from being proactive?
It’s good that now my black list of sites has been added to another entry.
What do you think should be done to prevent scammers from being proactive?
Ive been seing before accusation on betcoin ag website regarding a win that wasnt credited to the owner before but i think it was already been resolved. If ever a gambling site commits a fraudulent activity that is the risk we have to take since this is a crypto world.
You paid by Betcoin?
no I'm not , I just bet on all the available btc sportsbooks and hate to see false accusations without proof
the only site that is paying me is the site in my signature , but looking at your post history you were saying nice things about Betcoin so it seems you are the one who was getting paid
Did they make things right for the slot player they scammed? What about the poker fraud players that got scammed?
this was discussed millions of times , you want to discuss it again ? I don't think this is the reason why this thread was opened
And now sportsbook players go unpaid and scammed.
again where is the proof ? all I'm seeing is you complaining and yet you continued betting with them even you do think they are scam , don't you find this interesting ? claiming that users lost tons of money with the sportsbook glitch while not seeing anyone actually reporting it here in the forums isn't accurate
If they wanted to make things right, they'd give every player they've ever had an average bet credit for the entire time that the fraud line acceptance was going.
Why won't they do that? Because people like you are dumb enough to not demand it and think it's okay they put the money in their pockets.
Why won't they do that? Because people like you are dumb enough to not demand it and think it's okay they put the money in their pockets.
people are dumb now ? you think people won't report that here in the forums when they don't get paid what they are owed ? I don't think so
this user never gets tired of creating new accounts , same accusation over and over again without even posting a single proof
the live line movements is a complete joke , why would someone continue betting on a site when he knows the site is scamming him with line ?
I'm pretty much sure Betcoin paid him for all of these line changes , this is the only thing that makes sense cause I wouldn't continue betting with a site that changes the lines on me unless they pay me back what they owe me
the live line movements is a complete joke , why would someone continue betting on a site when he knows the site is scamming him with line ?
I'm pretty much sure Betcoin paid him for all of these line changes , this is the only thing that makes sense cause I wouldn't continue betting with a site that changes the lines on me unless they pay me back what they owe me
It was the way their software worked for 2 years. This is undisputed.
If you think they compensated every player for every bet that moved (most of them move in the 10 seconds it takes to accept) then you must be an idiot.
For what it's worth, not that you have much credibility so I'm probably wasting my time, but the reason most players didn't see that it happened is that their software approves the line and you have to refresh the page to see your bet, and often can't see it for a few hours, and it also doesn't tell you it paid you a bad price until you check the next page.
Example: I bet -200 on team A... it thinks, thinks, thinks... and you get the green check mark and you think you got your bet... refresh, it might not be there, but if it's there, it'll say -400...
Now yes, you're going to notice if it's -400 and complain. The problem is, most of their lines move 10/20 cents b/c they have such small action that they overreact to every wager anyone tries to make... so they're moving the line against you every bet and you can't tell b/c all you see is expected payout... so what's the expected payout on 73 chips at -110 vs -115... sure, if you do the math you'll know, most players don't know the math and wont' recognize they're getting scammed.
They admitted all of this and haven't paid anyone back. They're a proven fraud and so are you for defending them. It may not be a big deal to steal 5 chips from a player here and there for you. But that's added up to hundreds of thousands of dollars over 2 years. Why would that not matter?
this was fixed long time ago and you are the only one who is bringing it back over again
the chat history that Betcoin revealed about that player clearly showing that he was taking advantage of the situation and the site was keep offering him bonuses
deciding to bring an old problem back after the site refused to give the player more bonuses is clearly fishy
when you bet with a site you are trusting them with your money , and sometimes mistakes happen
you should instantly report the problem so the site can fix the problem for you , but you are just coming back months after they said they fixed the problem
clearly there is something fishy with your story
personally I check the payouts and the odds for every single bet I make ( and I average around 15 bets a day ) why ?? because I had problems with sites here in the forum with green trust but they always fixed it for me after I reported it
mistakes and bugs happen , there are several times where the site credited me full win when my stake should be half win and there are times where the opposite happened
can't just accuse sites of scamming after several months when you don't report a problem instantly , especially that you decided to continue betting with them despite having problems as you are claiming
You paid by Betcoin? Did they make things right for the slot player they scammed? What about the poker fraud players that got scammed? And now sportsbook players go unpaid and scammed.
They have scammed almost every customer they've ever had but you keep slurping that dick buddy.
If they wanted to make things right, they'd give every player they've ever had an average bet credit for the entire time that the fraud line acceptance was going.
Why won't they do that? Because people like you are dumb enough to not demand it and think it's okay they put the money in their pockets.
That's a self moderated thread, and they have the right to delete if they find it inappropriate. Simply for some reason it is not fair to describe one of the old gambling website as scam. Issues arise with each and every gambling websites, we need to contact the support team and get it rectified. If the same isn't possible go for scam accusation. I've been using it for a long, and hasn't experienced anything negative with betcoin.ag
this user never gets tired of creating new accounts , same accusation over and over again without even posting a single proof
the live line movements is a complete joke , why would someone continue betting on a site when he knows the site is scamming him with line ?
I'm pretty much sure Betcoin paid him for all of these line changes , this is the only thing that makes sense cause I wouldn't continue betting with a site that changes the lines on me unless they pay me back what they owe me
the live line movements is a complete joke , why would someone continue betting on a site when he knows the site is scamming him with line ?
I'm pretty much sure Betcoin paid him for all of these line changes , this is the only thing that makes sense cause I wouldn't continue betting with a site that changes the lines on me unless they pay me back what they owe me
It was the way their software worked for 2 years. This is undisputed.
If you think they compensated every player for every bet that moved (most of them move in the 10 seconds it takes to accept) then you must be an idiot.
For what it's worth, not that you have much credibility so I'm probably wasting my time, but the reason most players didn't see that it happened is that their software approves the line and you have to refresh the page to see your bet, and often can't see it for a few hours, and it also doesn't tell you it paid you a bad price until you check the next page.
Example: I bet -200 on team A... it thinks, thinks, thinks... and you get the green check mark and you think you got your bet... refresh, it might not be there, but if it's there, it'll say -400...
Now yes, you're going to notice if it's -400 and complain. The problem is, most of their lines move 10/20 cents b/c they have such small action that they overreact to every wager anyone tries to make... so they're moving the line against you every bet and you can't tell b/c all you see is expected payout... so what's the expected payout on 73 chips at -110 vs -115... sure, if you do the math you'll know, most players don't know the math and wont' recognize they're getting scammed.
They admitted all of this and haven't paid anyone back. They're a proven fraud and so are you for defending them. It may not be a big deal to steal 5 chips from a player here and there for you. But that's added up to hundreds of thousands of dollars over 2 years. Why would that not matter?
this was fixed long time ago and you are the only one who is bringing it back over again
the chat history that Betcoin revealed about that player clearly showing that he was taking advantage of the situation and the site was keep offering him bonuses
deciding to bring an old problem back after the site refused to give the player more bonuses is clearly fishy
when you bet with a site you are trusting them with your money , and sometimes mistakes happen
you should instantly report the problem so the site can fix the problem for you , but you are just coming back months after they said they fixed the problem
clearly there is something fishy with your story
personally I check the payouts and the odds for every single bet I make ( and I average around 15 bets a day ) why ?? because I had problems with sites here in the forum with green trust but they always fixed it for me after I reported it
mistakes and bugs happen , there are several times where the site credited me full win when my stake should be half win and there are times where the opposite happened
can't just accuse sites of scamming after several months when you don't report a problem instantly , especially that you decided to continue betting with them despite having problems as you are claiming
this user never gets tired of creating new accounts , same accusation over and over again without even posting a single proof
the live line movements is a complete joke , why would someone continue betting on a site when he knows the site is scamming him with line ?
I'm pretty much sure Betcoin paid him for all of these line changes , this is the only thing that makes sense cause I wouldn't continue betting with a site that changes the lines on me unless they pay me back what they owe me
the live line movements is a complete joke , why would someone continue betting on a site when he knows the site is scamming him with line ?
I'm pretty much sure Betcoin paid him for all of these line changes , this is the only thing that makes sense cause I wouldn't continue betting with a site that changes the lines on me unless they pay me back what they owe me
It was the way their software worked for 2 years. This is undisputed.
If you think they compensated every player for every bet that moved (most of them move in the 10 seconds it takes to accept) then you must be an idiot.
For what it's worth, not that you have much credibility so I'm probably wasting my time, but the reason most players didn't see that it happened is that their software approves the line and you have to refresh the page to see your bet, and often can't see it for a few hours, and it also doesn't tell you it paid you a bad price until you check the next page.
Example: I bet -200 on team A... it thinks, thinks, thinks... and you get the green check mark and you think you got your bet... refresh, it might not be there, but if it's there, it'll say -400...
Now yes, you're going to notice if it's -400 and complain. The problem is, most of their lines move 10/20 cents b/c they have such small action that they overreact to every wager anyone tries to make... so they're moving the line against you every bet and you can't tell b/c all you see is expected payout... so what's the expected payout on 73 chips at -110 vs -115... sure, if you do the math you'll know, most players don't know the math and wont' recognize they're getting scammed.
They admitted all of this and haven't paid anyone back. They're a proven fraud and so are you for defending them. It may not be a big deal to steal 5 chips from a player here and there for you. But that's added up to hundreds of thousands of dollars over 2 years. Why would that not matter?
this user never gets tired of creating new accounts , same accusation over and over again without even posting a single proof
the live line movements is a complete joke , why would someone continue betting on a site when he knows the site is scamming him with line ?
I'm pretty much sure Betcoin paid him for all of these line changes , this is the only thing that makes sense cause I wouldn't continue betting with a site that changes the lines on me unless they pay me back what they owe me
the live line movements is a complete joke , why would someone continue betting on a site when he knows the site is scamming him with line ?
I'm pretty much sure Betcoin paid him for all of these line changes , this is the only thing that makes sense cause I wouldn't continue betting with a site that changes the lines on me unless they pay me back what they owe me
The thread is self moderated so they can do that, and I don't trust thread like that if it's an official thread of an certain gambling sites.
I believe they are on a new management, maybe it's nice if they will have a new ANN thread and it should not be self moderated.
I'm not using this site anymore so it does not affect me that much, but hopefully as I can read better feed back, I might consider playing again.
I believe they are on a new management, maybe it's nice if they will have a new ANN thread and it should not be self moderated.
I'm not using this site anymore so it does not affect me that much, but hopefully as I can read better feed back, I might consider playing again.
If new management was "good" then they'd compensate every single sports betting player they've had over the last 2 years with a certain amount per bet to compensate the fact they literally stole from players by forcing them to accept negative line movements without rejection rights (while positive line movements were ignored).
They've admitted they did this and think they should get to run off with the hundreds of thousands of dollars that "glitch" put in their pocket.
Don't play there until they refund the players they scammed.
But what you said is so negative and I think I am not going to be interested anymore to dig deeper to know.
I am currently enjoy playing in different sportsbook, though my sportsbook has some history of scam accusation in the thread but at least they are treating me right.
The thread is self moderated so they can do that, and I don't trust thread like that if it's an official thread of an certain gambling sites.
I believe they are on a new management, maybe it's nice if they will have a new ANN thread and it should not be self moderated.
I'm not using this site anymore so it does not affect me that much, but hopefully as I can read better feed back, I might consider playing again.
I believe they are on a new management, maybe it's nice if they will have a new ANN thread and it should not be self moderated.
I'm not using this site anymore so it does not affect me that much, but hopefully as I can read better feed back, I might consider playing again.
If new management was "good" then they'd compensate every single sports betting player they've had over the last 2 years with a certain amount per bet to compensate the fact they literally stole from players by forcing them to accept negative line movements without rejection rights (while positive line movements were ignored).
They've admitted they did this and think they should get to run off with the hundreds of thousands of dollars that "glitch" put in their pocket.
Don't play there until they refund the players they scammed.
The thread is self moderated so they can do that, and I don't trust thread like that if it's an official thread of an certain gambling sites.
I believe they are on a new management, maybe it's nice if they will have a new ANN thread and it should not be self moderated.
I'm not using this site anymore so it does not affect me that much, but hopefully as I can read better feed back, I might consider playing again.
I believe they are on a new management, maybe it's nice if they will have a new ANN thread and it should not be self moderated.
I'm not using this site anymore so it does not affect me that much, but hopefully as I can read better feed back, I might consider playing again.
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Please PM me for a full accounting of their fraud and deception and theft.
You should make this public and not only share the info by PM.
If you are saying they are scammers would be nice to see some proof from your side... And i'm not defending them, i like to see solid proof from this accusation. I know their slots machines aren't probably fair, but that's all, idk if they are rigged in their poker tables or in their sports book.
I have known betcoin.AG for the more than two years through this forum and I still remember that they run the most successful signature campaign here for a very long period. I never heard anyone having issues in their campaign.
Although I did not play at Betcoin.AG but I will also like to see the exact details of any fraud which they did, else I would assume its just a false accusation.
They have admitted publicly they allowed a "glitch" (this was intentional, but they called it a glitch) that forced bad line movements against a player without the right to reject the bad line movement on the player's end.
They admitted this went on for 2 years (although it currently still happens as of a few days ago)
This "glitch" was a windfall for Betcoin.AG of no less than hundreds of thousands of dollars over 2 years.
No compensation has been issued to sports bettors at their website.
That's admitted fraud. It's not rocket science. They scammed and cheated customers and have issued ZERO compensation.
Example 1: Bettor likes team A -200... he puts a wager on it and hits submit. Line moves to team A -500 while Betcoin.AG is waiting to process the wager... Betcoin.AG processes the wager at -500 despite the player having NO SAY in whether he wants the bet at that line.
If you play anywhere else, you'll know real books don't do that. It is criminal, it is fraud, it is theft, and they have openly admitted they did it for 2 years.
No compensation has been paid to those players cheated and swindled. This is the most open and shut case of sportsbook scamming I can think of in fact.
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