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Quote from: TopTort777 on January 17, 2023, 03:41:46 AM

If you want to discuss how effective signature campaigns are, we need to get signature campaign results first imho. So far we only know how it cost to run a signature campaign for one week. We can only calculate the expenses. But I have seen anyone sharing how much new gamblers signature campaign has attracted, how much they have deposited, wagered, lost, at least what games they play or where they click. We seen only one side of signature campaigns. What if all signature campaigns we have are just a waste of budget? Did you think about that?

Imho Betfury uses different strategy. They prefer to boost the amount of new registrations and etc during their events, than have a stable amount of activity, like Duelbits, Stake, Roobet or Betnomi has for example. Cant blame them for anything. It is their strategy, their vision, their budget.

all casinos have different marketing strategies so this is not only talking about the budget but also their way of marketing, I don't think they stopped the signature campaign it doesn't mean their casino is abandoned by many gamblers in fact I'm sure many active gamblers are still playing in their casino so there are no statistics either about signature campaigns so it's enough for them to know about that

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Quote from: tygeade on January 16, 2023, 01:02:51 AM

Quote from: TheGreatPython on January 14, 2023, 01:02:41 AM

It's just about the money, nothing more. Obviously they would love to have a signature campaign that would be 100% running for many years, why wouldn't they want such a thing? But, let's also be real about the fact that we are not going to get something like that easily, it's going to be quite tough and why would they want to pay for something like that out of their own pockets?

It's also good to remind everyone that this is a tough business to be in and every dime matters, in a situation where we are expecting them to be like that, we are forgetting the fact that they are not spending money just on this, there are a million other places they have to spend that money on.

I think it is a bit about money, but not all of it is about money neither. It's about basically optimization, which means even if you had 100k dollars to spend on marketing, would you rather pay 50k of that on signature campaign and 50k on something else, or 20k on signature and 80k on something else?

I think they have realized that they could optimize the marketing to a less signature heavy, more about other things and using it that way. Just recently they gave out 1.2 million dollars rewards, I am sure that they could have like 1k per week marketing here that could go on for 52 weeks, costing them 52k a year, which shouldn't be that big. So I agree that it's a bit about money, but not all.

So after all, devs probably know how best to allocate their entire budget for advertising and promoting their project on the market.

Of course, we can advise them as much as we like, and calculate the costs of one or another type of promotion of this casino, but we are all ordinary users of our favorite forum and have no idea how the casino marketing guys work. And we obviously lack information about the budget for advertising and about the most effective ways to advertise the casino. We can only guess which is better which option to use. I think that repeated signature campaigns that resume after a break are not very effective compared to those signature campaigns that last continuously for many years. Like the Duelbits signature campaign for example, it's already week 120 and recently the Duelbits devs have also increased the number of participants from our fellow forum members. Probably such campaign signatures are quite effective.

This should be taken into account and the devs of this project.

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If you want to discuss how effective signature campaigns are, we need to get signature campaign results first imho. So far we only know how it cost to run a signature campaign for one week. We can only calculate the expenses. But I have seen anyone sharing how much new gamblers signature campaign has attracted, how much they have deposited, wagered, lost, at least what games they play or where they click. We seen only one side of signature campaigns. What if all signature campaigns we have are just a waste of budget? Did you think about that?

Imho Betfury uses different strategy. They prefer to boost the amount of new registrations and etc during their events, than have a stable amount of activity, like Duelbits, Stake, Roobet or Betnomi has for example. Cant blame them for anything. It is their strategy, their vision, their budget.

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on January 14, 2023, 01:02:41 AM

It's just about the money, nothing more. Obviously they would love to have a signature campaign that would be 100% running for many years, why wouldn't they want such a thing? But, let's also be real about the fact that we are not going to get something like that easily, it's going to be quite tough and why would they want to pay for something like that out of their own pockets?

It's also good to remind everyone that this is a tough business to be in and every dime matters, in a situation where we are expecting them to be like that, we are forgetting the fact that they are not spending money just on this, there are a million other places they have to spend that money on.

I think it is a bit about money, but not all of it is about money neither. It's about basically optimization, which means even if you had 100k dollars to spend on marketing, would you rather pay 50k of that on signature campaign and 50k on something else, or 20k on signature and 80k on something else?

I think they have realized that they could optimize the marketing to a less signature heavy, more about other things and using it that way. Just recently they gave out 1.2 million dollars rewards, I am sure that they could have like 1k per week marketing here that could go on for 52 weeks, costing them 52k a year, which shouldn't be that big. So I agree that it's a bit about money, but not all.

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Quote from: len01 on January 15, 2023, 02:15:04 PM

well that's what I mean. maybe not reputation but rather just oblivion and if any new gambler jumps into this forum looking for online casinos it will definitely be quicker to see casinos that still have signature campaigns. because usually new gamblers who have just joined this forum are looking for a good online casino, they don't know about the gambling board and sometimes they only see the signatures of forum members.

but back to the main topic, I hope that Betfury will still run its signature campaign, even if it only selects a small number of forum members so that it will still be seen or not forgotten.

They can allocate from the promotion funds to run new signature campaigns to increase their promotion in the forum, you may be right about the statement above that everyone will see the signature code of each account to be added to the list of gambling platforms, so apart from increasing traffic to gambling websites but also increase the trust of gamblers, signature promotions are very effective to support the increase of new users, increase the reputation of the casino and casino revenue will further increase.

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Quote from: logfiles on January 15, 2023, 04:39:34 AM

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But to be honest, according to my observation, casinos or services that run long term campaigns are the ones to seem to thrive more rather than those to keep starting up short campaigns. Once you introduce lets say a 2 months campaign, you get known in those two months after which signatures are removed and next thing that happens is people forget that the service even exists

well that's what I mean. maybe not reputation but rather just oblivion and if any new gambler jumps into this forum looking for online casinos it will definitely be quicker to see casinos that still have signature campaigns. because usually new gamblers who have just joined this forum are looking for a good online casino, they don't know about the gambling board and sometimes they only see the signatures of forum members.

but back to the main topic, I hope that Betfury will still run its signature campaign, even if it only selects a small number of forum members so that it will still be seen or not forgotten.

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Quote from: bittraffic on January 15, 2023, 12:44:19 PM

What happened to the loyal followers of Betfury by the way? If they are so Loyal I t think they should keep the signatures especially if they are staking thier BFGs in the casino.
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Why would anyone be loyal to a casino that doesn't care for their token investors. When dividends are just going to get diluted more and more, and there is no plan for the tokens, why would anyone want to risk it and hodl those tokens or advertise that casino?

They lost my loyality soon after BFG was released to markets. After that they had all the time to fix the tokenomics, but instead of doing that they went on the trendy road of farming. I haven't completely lost my faith in them because tokenomics could still easily be fixed. It just looks like they don't want to do it.

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Quote from: arwin100 on January 13, 2023, 06:20:37 AM

1xbit still see this forum as good place to get large number of costumers so even if they have bad feedbacks coming from various people they still choose to run a campaign so that they can till get a exposure here. But since Betfury is somehow what we can look as reputable casino this campaign can help them since this could extend their exposure and as well many gambler might get redirect to their thread to create some good discussions about them.

It' not the same thing, we are talking about a casino that basically stole peoples money and still doing campaign to get some more people be convince that they are legit, we are all aware that they are not legit at all and that's fine, it's not a big issue if you ask me because if people are incapable of checking if a place is legit or not then it's their own fault, you could literally check their profile and see it, it's that simple.

On the other hand, betfury is an amazing place and when they do a marketing campaign that means people will realize how amazing they are, they may not know it yet, because they never heard of it or checked it, but with marketing they will get to learn more about it.

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Quote from: Mate2237 on January 15, 2023, 12:34:18 PM

Quote from: logfiles on January 15, 2023, 04:39:34 AM

Quote from: len01 on January 12, 2023, 02:18:59 PM

but it would be better if the campaign was continued to build good trust than before. so there is no doubt from the gamblers here.

Signature campaigns mostly help with exposure and maybe bring in new customers, it has nothing with building trust. What the service delivers is what builds trust. There can be several reasons as to why certain service stop signature campaigns, as already mentioned by some members.

But to be honest, according to my observation, casinos or services that run long term campaigns are the ones to seem to thrive more rather than those to keep starting up short campaigns. Once you introduce lets say a 2 months campaign, you get known in those two months after which signatures are removed and next thing that happens is people forget that the service even exists

I have already forgotten that Betfury is still in the forum because their campaign is not in the active part. Yes if the signature campaign is still available or running in the forum the awareness would have increased. Even the newbies would have known that such casino does exist in the casino space. Campaign is one of the best way to attract customers to the casino website.

I will agree with logfiles that signature campaign has nothing to do with the casino's reputation. The way the casino attends to it customers will determine the reputation of the casino. But campaign also help on the popularity of the casino in the forum

What happened to the loyal followers of Betfury by the way? If they are so Loyal I t think they should keep the signatures especially if they are staking thier BFGs in the casino.

They are going to keep sending dividends to the holders while paying the campaigns also. The signature campaign will help the promotion but it's also going to drain the funds of the team. Maybe they could do campaigns to low-rank users, less fee but will still have requirements to be visible in the gambling forum.

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Quote from: Mate2237 on January 15, 2023, 12:34:18 PM

I have already forgotten that Betfury is still in the forum because their campaign is not in the active part. Yes if the signature campaign is still available or running in the forum the awareness would have increased. Even the newbies would have known that such casino does exist in the casino space. Campaign is one of the best way to attract customers to the casino website.

I will agree with logfiles that signature campaign has nothing to do with the casino's reputation. The way the casino attends to it customers will determine the reputation of the casino. But campaign also help on the popularity of the casino in the forum

You must be a rare guest in gambling section then. Because this topic rarely goes to second page in gambling. BetFury is always on a hot discussion. Take a look on number of online users (~120), daily posts (~5500). And calculate ratio taking into consideration that average signature campaign has 20-30 users. Even signature campaign that runs for weeks are hard to notice if you dont spend time in its main forum sections.

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Quote from: logfiles on January 15, 2023, 04:39:34 AM

Quote from: len01 on January 12, 2023, 02:18:59 PM

but it would be better if the campaign was continued to build good trust than before. so there is no doubt from the gamblers here.

Signature campaigns mostly help with exposure and maybe bring in new customers, it has nothing with building trust. What the service delivers is what builds trust. There can be several reasons as to why certain service stop signature campaigns, as already mentioned by some members.

But to be honest, according to my observation, casinos or services that run long term campaigns are the ones to seem to thrive more rather than those to keep starting up short campaigns. Once you introduce lets say a 2 months campaign, you get known in those two months after which signatures are removed and next thing that happens is people forget that the service even exists

I have already forgotten that Betfury is still in the forum because their campaign is not in the active part. Yes if the signature campaign is still available or running in the forum the awareness would have increased. Even the newbies would have known that such casino does exist in the casino space. Campaign is one of the best way to attract customers to the casino website.

I will agree with logfiles that signature campaign has nothing to do with the casino's reputation. The way the casino attends to it customers will determine the reputation of the casino. But campaign also help on the popularity of the casino in the forum

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Quote from: logfiles on January 15, 2023, 04:39:34 AM

Quote from: len01 on January 12, 2023, 02:18:59 PM

but it would be better if the campaign was continued to build good trust than before. so there is no doubt from the gamblers here.

Signature campaigns mostly help with exposure and maybe bring in new customers, it has nothing with building trust. What the service delivers is what builds trust. There can be several reasons as to why certain service stop signature campaigns, as already mentioned by some members.

But to be honest, according to my observation, casinos or services that run long term campaigns are the ones to seem to thrive more rather than those to keep starting up short campaigns. Once you introduce lets say a 2 months campaign, you get known in those two months after which signatures are removed and next thing that happens is people forget that the service even exists

well at least betfury has run a signature campaign on this forum even though it was stopped because whatever it is semura people should still respect their decision , at least they are still active in this thread to provide any latest news from their casino, so far that I see the signature campaign is running depending on the budget, it's possible that betfury doesn't have the budget for a signature campaign anymore, but at least they've run that campaign before

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Quote from: Silberman on January 14, 2023, 09:34:20 PM

Quote from: dwyane36 on January 14, 2023, 04:38:29 PM

If I'm not mistaken, Betfury used utm tags in the links of the last signature campaign. So its marketing team could easily evaluate the results of the signature campaign and make appropriate conclusions about it.
Honestly, lately, I've been more concerned about Betfury's roadmap rather than its marketing team's strategy. The problem is that Betfury stopped updating the roadmap more than six months ago, and now it's the middle of January, but there's still no new roadmap for this year. So we can only guess whether Betfury will somehow develop its platform by adding new features and events or not.

It is possible that like any other person or business related to cryptocurrencies they needed to cut down on their expenses and instead of trying to develop new features it was decided that it was better to simply keep things as they are and just patch critical bugs and wait until things get better, and now since their token has grown in value 38% during the last two months they could update their roadmap and start to develop new features once again.

Did they really have to depend on the price appreciation of their token to keep development ongoing? Not cool and does not predict good for the casino if you ask me.
This is a gambling casino we are talking about here, how about the profits they make from their gambling business, does it mean that that fund can not keep the casino running well?
Having to purse development all the price of the token isn't doing well is one I wouldn't expect, because this would make me want to ask , what about other casinos that doesn't have their own token and, yet have continued to develop their platform ?

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Quote from: len01 on January 12, 2023, 02:18:59 PM

but it would be better if the campaign was continued to build good trust than before. so there is no doubt from the gamblers here.

Signature campaigns mostly help with exposure and maybe bring in new customers, it has nothing with building trust. What the service delivers is what builds trust. There can be several reasons as to why certain service stop signature campaigns, as already mentioned by some members.

But to be honest, according to my observation, casinos or services that run long term campaigns are the ones to seem to thrive more rather than those to keep starting up short campaigns. Once you introduce lets say a 2 months campaign, you get known in those two months after which signatures are removed and next thing that happens is people forget that the service even exists

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Quote from: dwyane36 on January 14, 2023, 04:38:29 PM

If I'm not mistaken, Betfury used utm tags in the links of the last signature campaign. So its marketing team could easily evaluate the results of the signature campaign and make appropriate conclusions about it.
Honestly, lately, I've been more concerned about Betfury's roadmap rather than its marketing team's strategy. The problem is that Betfury stopped updating the roadmap more than six months ago, and now it's the middle of January, but there's still no new roadmap for this year. So we can only guess whether Betfury will somehow develop its platform by adding new features and events or not.

It is possible that like any other person or business related to cryptocurrencies they needed to cut down on their expenses and instead of trying to develop new features it was decided that it was better to simply keep things as they are and just patch critical bugs and wait until things get better, and now since their token has grown in value 38% during the last two months they could update their roadmap and start to develop new features once again.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on January 14, 2023, 04:38:29 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on January 14, 2023, 06:38:21 AM

They've got the marketing team who are taking care of every advertisement that they feel that bringing them the traffics, I agree that they are not just spending money for nothing but they are also expecting a good return that will favor the business, whatever the plan we will keep hearing updates here in case that they will re-open the signature campaign.

If I'm not mistaken, Betfury used utm tags in the links of the last signature campaign. So its marketing team could easily evaluate the results of the signature campaign and make appropriate conclusions about it.
Honestly, lately, I've been more concerned about Betfury's roadmap rather than its marketing team's strategy. The problem is that Betfury stopped updating the roadmap more than six months ago, and now it's the middle of January, but there's still no new roadmap for this year. So we can only guess whether Betfury will somehow develop its platform by adding new features and events or not.

Haven't paid attention to it but that is worrisome indeed. Before they always reached the milestones they posted on their roadmap (for every quarter) so I wonder why they stopped updating it. Hopefully a new roadmap for 2023 (and 2024) will be posted again.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on January 14, 2023, 04:38:29 PM

If I'm not mistaken, Betfury used utm tags in the links of the last signature campaign. So its marketing team could easily evaluate the results of the signature campaign and make appropriate conclusions about it.
Honestly, lately, I've been more concerned about Betfury's roadmap rather than its marketing team's strategy. The problem is that Betfury stopped updating the roadmap more than six months ago, and now it's the middle of January, but there's still no new roadmap for this year. So we can only guess whether Betfury will somehow develop its platform by adding new features and events or not.

This is right thing to be worried about. This casino was build on idea of a token, and now it seems that idea wasn't thought trough and roadmap is unclear. Just buying the tokens slowly from the open market like Unu Sed Leo and burning them like would be an acceptable end game and make the mining seem like a good idea. What ever they do they can't stop moving.

It's a run against other, bigger and better casinos with good track record on customer support. Without a plan, a roadmap and constant building to be better site Betfury will lose the game for the casinos with a vision.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on January 14, 2023, 04:38:29 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on January 14, 2023, 06:38:21 AM

They've got the marketing team who are taking care of every advertisement that they feel that bringing them the traffics, I agree that they are not just spending money for nothing but they are also expecting a good return that will favor the business, whatever the plan we will keep hearing updates here in case that they will re-open the signature campaign.

If I'm not mistaken, Betfury used utm tags in the links of the last signature campaign. So its marketing team could easily evaluate the results of the signature campaign and make appropriate conclusions about it.

This might be true, but one thing I know is that signature ad campaign is long term kind of marketing, I think I said this in my earlier comment here, most companies tend to judge the effectiveness of signature Ad campaign by its short term result, this is a mistake, signature Ad campaign might always don't seen effective in the short term, but in the long term, it's always worth it.

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Honestly, lately, I've been more concerned about Betfury's roadmap rather than its marketing team's strategy. The problem is that Betfury stopped updating the roadmap more than six months ago, and now it's the middle of January, but there's still no new roadmap for this year. So we can only guess whether Betfury will somehow develop its platform by adding new features and events or not.

Probably they've stopped building, their casino runs fine from my experience with their site, all they need is to maintain it, so it can be probably understandable if this is the reason they no longer have a road map, not every thing a company does is always included in their roadmap, and some companies don't even make their roadmap public.

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Quote from: Fredomago on January 14, 2023, 06:38:21 AM

They've got the marketing team who are taking care of every advertisement that they feel that bringing them the traffics, I agree that they are not just spending money for nothing but they are also expecting a good return that will favor the business, whatever the plan we will keep hearing updates here in case that they will re-open the signature campaign.

If I'm not mistaken, Betfury used utm tags in the links of the last signature campaign. So its marketing team could easily evaluate the results of the signature campaign and make appropriate conclusions about it.
Honestly, lately, I've been more concerned about Betfury's roadmap rather than its marketing team's strategy. The problem is that Betfury stopped updating the roadmap more than six months ago, and now it's the middle of January, but there's still no new roadmap for this year. So we can only guess whether Betfury will somehow develop its platform by adding new features and events or not.

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on January 14, 2023, 01:02:41 AM

Quote from: Silberman on January 11, 2023, 03:13:45 PM

Quote from: Frankolala on January 11, 2023, 12:06:24 PM

You are right,casinos that runs signature campaigns continuously in the forum without stopping is benefiting more than those that just run it for awhile and stop. It is a strategy to show their loyalty to customers and their credibility.

They make more money because most signature campaign participants don't even have time to depend on this payment as they see it as a way to provide for their gambling habit,i.e they gamble with the SIG pay in the casino they are running signature campaign for. You pay me for a service and I use to money that you paid me to entertain myself in your casino. Betfury.io team should try and come back to continue with their campaign,for better promotion of their casino.

It is to be expected the owners and administrators of betfury know their situation way better than we do, if they are not promoting themselves in the forum through ads or a signature campaign it is not difficult to think a few reasons of why this is the case, a few of them are that they do not think it is necessary at the moment, they do not think they will obtain good results with it or simply they do not have the budget to do this at the moment.

It's just about the money, nothing more. Obviously they would love to have a signature campaign that would be 100% running for many years, why wouldn't they want such a thing? But, let's also be real about the fact that we are not going to get something like that easily, it's going to be quite tough and why would they want to pay for something like that out of their own pockets?

It's also good to remind everyone that this is a tough business to be in and every dime matters, in a situation where we are expecting them to be like that, we are forgetting the fact that they are not spending money just on this, there are a million other places they have to spend that money on.

They've got the marketing team who are taking care of every advertisement that they feel that bringing them the traffics, I agree that they are not just spending money for nothing but they are also expecting a good return that will favor the business, whatever the plan we will keep hearing updates here in case that they will re-open the signature campaign.

If they see that spending portions of their profits from the business will help to bring more gamblers to visit and use Betfury platforms,
expect that we will see the campaign to be available back.

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