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Quote from: BetKing.io on September 08, 2017, 11:50:52 AM

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Hi Dean,

Any updates on the affiliate program? Will put a BetKing banner up straight away when you do.

Any info on when a potential app will be available for other people to purchase or run like a franchise?

I also think you should pay someone else to deal with all the minor trolls and running of competitions you have with BetKing on this forum.

Cheers,
Tyler

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Quote from: buwaytress on September 08, 2017, 05:40:27 AM

Just checked back on the site and found the new x100 wager promotion. Just want to be clear on the rules before I deposit: what does the 0 edge mean? I saw that the dice edge on x2 payout was still 1% (49.5 win chance). Will this adjust to a 50% win chance on x2 if we claim the deposit bonus? And this works for all currencies equally, correct?

Dude, he don't have to write everything into 100 very specific terms to make it obvous.

It's 0% edge, OK? Let that be an end to it. He's not going to answer any more questions. If you can't guess what his vague utterances are meant to mean that's your own fault.

Is the deposit bonus still available at 100x play-through? Have the terms been made clear yet or not? Is it OK to claim the 100x bonus if I already claimed the 30x one? Is it OK if refer a friend? Does the friend have to use his own IP address and computer? I don't want to risk him having his deposit stolen if he breaks an invisible rule.

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Quote from: JackpotRacer on September 08, 2017, 03:01:49 AM

now multiply this with households of 10 people.

That's the problem right there. Are two people allowed to play if they're in the same household or not? It still hasn't been made clear. Can a husband and wife both claim the bonus? Only if they play on different computers? Only if they're separated and live in separate places? When there's a risk that some unwritten rule can be deemed to have been broken and funds confiscated by the house it's not worth the risk of trying.

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Quote from: Jungian on September 08, 2017, 02:00:36 PM

Quote from: CCNCCN on September 08, 2017, 12:49:37 PM

Also an investor in BK

Big fan of stopping scammers stealing money by abusing and cheating. Surprised others don't think that way, but to each his own. Fiat casino's go much further to stop cheaters (i.e. http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/12/19/phil-ivey-ordered-to-pay-back-14-million-for-cheating_a_21631160/).

If investors in BK want out - i'm happy to buy their tokens at a small discount. I'm in the discord with the same name.

Phil Ivey did not cheat. He made an advantage play that was unfarily penalized (in some places).

The casinos happily accomdated his request to use a certain deck and it's up to them to protect the integrity of the games. If they didn't want him to play with a certain deck (the deck was not tampered with, and was provided by the casinos), they could just have denied him the play.

Way to miss the point.

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Quote from: CCNCCN on September 08, 2017, 12:49:37 PM

Also an investor in BK

Big fan of stopping scammers stealing money by abusing and cheating. Surprised others don't think that way, but to each his own. Fiat casino's go much further to stop cheaters (i.e. http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/12/19/phil-ivey-ordered-to-pay-back-14-million-for-cheating_a_21631160/).

If investors in BK want out - i'm happy to buy their tokens at a small discount. I'm in the discord with the same name.

Phil Ivey did not cheat. He made an advantage play that was unfarily penalized (in some places).

The casinos happily accomdated his request to use a certain deck and it's up to them to protect the integrity of the games. If they didn't want him to play with a certain deck (the deck was not tampered with, and was provided by the casinos), they could just have denied him the play.

CCNCCN

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Also an investor in BK

Big fan of stopping scammers stealing money by abusing and cheating. Surprised others don't think that way, but to each his own. Fiat casino's go much further to stop cheaters (i.e. http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/12/19/phil-ivey-ordered-to-pay-back-14-million-for-cheating_a_21631160/).

If investors in BK want out - i'm happy to buy their tokens at a small discount. I'm in the discord with the same name.

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Quote from: buwaytress on September 08, 2017, 05:40:27 AM

Just checked back on the site and found the new x100 wager promotion. Just want to be clear on the rules before I deposit: what does the 0 edge mean? I saw that the dice edge on x2 payout was still 1% (49.5 win chance). Will this adjust to a 50% win chance on x2 if we claim the deposit bonus? And this works for all currencies equally, correct?

It's a 0% edge because with a 1% house edge (the base dice game itself) there is a statistical return of 0.99 for each given bet. Since this promo requires you to wager 100x your deposit, you are expected a return of 0 for the game after wagering that amount but are also given your deposit back. Thus the two cancel out and you have a return of 1.

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Latest updates:
- fixed autobet issues where it would randomly stop
- stats page https://betking.io/stats
- Menu on top right of homepage fixed on phones
- fixed 2fa dialog issue on private message window
- mods now show red user name in private messages
- admin tools

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Quote from: BetKing.io on September 08, 2017, 11:37:21 AM

Quote from: mijkrofl on September 08, 2017, 11:34:13 AM

Quote from: BetKing.io on September 08, 2017, 11:17:48 AM

1) Never happened.
2) The people in this forum know that I, Dean, run this account, I am the owner of BetKing and was having a direct conversation so it would be weird to write "we" or anything else. This is how I speak.
3) I am stopping someone stealing MORE money from me, big difference.

"Should't we /the investors/ to have the last word about the site development and path?!"
No. Token holders have no share in the company or voting rights.
Oppinions and recommendations are however always welcome.

If you are really a token holder it seems weird that you would give trolls ammo in this forum with your comment even though everyone else who posted has shown support for my decision.

wtf, you're replying to this seriously? I think you should prevent people from stealing the bankroll (which we, investors, all paid for). So i'm glad you blocked it.

Anything about the token yet, bkb?

Exactly. I'm going to stay off these forums I think

The tokens should be distributed this weekend. It's long slow process to audit but needs to be done.
Even after tokens are credited you will be looking more at next week before you can withdraw.

I thought about allowing you to tip them to others on the site as a form of exchange but you would need to trust the other person as there's no escrow service.

Thanks. You shouldn't be defending yourself for your actions in favor of the users/investors. If you stop posting at the forum could you atleast open something as a support box on the website?

Thanks again for all your effort.

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Quote from: mijkrofl on September 08, 2017, 11:34:13 AM

Quote from: BetKing.io on September 08, 2017, 11:17:48 AM

1) Never happened.
2) The people in this forum know that I, Dean, run this account, I am the owner of BetKing and was having a direct conversation so it would be weird to write "we" or anything else. This is how I speak.
3) I am stopping someone stealing MORE money from me, big difference.

"Should't we /the investors/ to have the last word about the site development and path?!"
No. Token holders have no share in the company or voting rights.
Oppinions and recommendations are however always welcome.

If you are really a token holder it seems weird that you would give trolls ammo in this forum with your comment even though everyone else who posted has shown support for my decision.

wtf, you're replying to this seriously? I think you should prevent people from stealing the bankroll (which we, investors, all paid for). So i'm glad you blocked it.

Anything about the token yet, bkb?

Exactly. I'm going to stay off these forums I think

The tokens should be distributed this weekend. It's long slow process to audit but needs to be done.
Even after tokens are credited you will be looking more at next week before you can withdraw.

I thought about allowing you to tip them to others on the site as a form of exchange but you would need to trust the other person as there's no escrow service.

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Quote from: BetKing.io on September 08, 2017, 11:17:48 AM

1) Never happened.
2) The people in this forum know that I, Dean, run this account, I am the owner of BetKing and was having a direct conversation so it would be weird to write "we" or anything else. This is how I speak.
3) I am stopping someone stealing MORE money from me, big difference.

"Should't we /the investors/ to have the last word about the site development and path?!"
No. Token holders have no share in the company or voting rights.
Oppinions and recommendations are however always welcome.

If you are really a token holder it seems weird that you would give trolls ammo in this forum with your comment even though everyone else who posted has shown support for my decision.

wtf, you're replying to this seriously? I think you should prevent people from stealing the bankroll (which we, investors, all paid for). So i'm glad you blocked it.

Anything about the token yet, bkb?

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Quote from: gon on September 08, 2017, 10:28:02 AM

Quote from: BetKing.io on September 08, 2017, 03:03:14 AM

Quote from: dooglus on September 07, 2017, 09:11:32 PM

Quote from: BetKing.io on September 06, 2017, 04:07:41 PM

The bonus was 1 per user an you tried to scam for many Bitcoin.

The terms for the bonus were very unclear:

Quote from: dooglus on September 06, 2017, 02:12:34 AM

Quote from: BetKing.io on September 04, 2017, 01:43:06 PM

Bonus terms:
[...]
Bonus can only be claimed once
[...]

Is that once per account? Or once per person? Or once per computer? Or once per household? Or once per IP address? Or something else?

You said "bonus can only be claimed once", and despite me asking twice for clarification as to what that was meant to mean you never provided the requested clarification.

I think the most obvious interpretation would be "once per account", since the site wouldn't let me claim twice on the same account, but would let me claim twice on the same computer, from the same household. I don't think it's fair to withhold funds from players who misinterpreted your incredibly vague terms.

It's also very rude of you to call this player a scammer. He wasn't scamming you. He was playing within the stated rules. If you offer stupid exploitable bonuses please don't blame anyone but yourself when people inevitably try to exploit them. Promising a bonus and then refusing to pay it makes you the scammer, not the people trying to claim the bonus.

I didn't reply to you because I had ended the promo anyway so the info didn't matter.

I deliberately did a +ev promo for relaunch to give a little bonus to legist players and old fans of the site.
People who played within the rules liked and appreciated it, got their bonus and withdrew, no problem.

It was clear that I said the promo can only be claimed once.
I don't have to write everything into 100 very specific terms to make it obvous what that meant or to protect myself.

He was a scammer. He took 4 Bitcoin during the promo and I let him withdraw it.

THEN I changed the backend to limit it better and he still looked for ways to exploit that for another 4 Bitcoin.
That is obviously then clear cheating or playing not as intended.
He withdrew most of this. I confiscated around 1.4 Bitcoin, so less than 8 and 0.1 deposis don't cover the 8.

I didn't come back after 8 months to argue with you or anyone in this forum or to have people steal from me.
Lesson learned and it won't happen again.
But they won't get ther withdrawals and that is the final decision. Coreect decision too. I won't make any other posts about it.

I have a small investment in your ICO, but now I'm seriously considering just to dump it.

Why?

1. You are changing terms in a minutes
2. You are talking about BetKing - like a real king "I had ended", I I I I
3. You are confiscating money??

Should't we /the investors/ to have the last word about the site development and path?!

1) Never happened.
2) The people in this forum know that I, Dean, run this account, I am the owner of BetKing and was having a direct conversation so it would be weird to write "we" or anything else. This is how I speak.
3) I am stopping someone stealing MORE money from me, big difference.

"Should't we /the investors/ to have the last word about the site development and path?!"
No. Token holders have no share in the company or voting rights.
Oppinions and recommendations are however always welcome.

If you are really a token holder it seems weird that you would give trolls ammo in this forum with your comment even though everyone else who posted has shown support for my decision.

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Quote from: BetKing.io on September 08, 2017, 03:03:14 AM

Quote from: dooglus on September 07, 2017, 09:11:32 PM

Quote from: BetKing.io on September 06, 2017, 04:07:41 PM

The bonus was 1 per user an you tried to scam for many Bitcoin.

The terms for the bonus were very unclear:

Quote from: dooglus on September 06, 2017, 02:12:34 AM

Quote from: BetKing.io on September 04, 2017, 01:43:06 PM

Bonus terms:
[...]
Bonus can only be claimed once
[...]

Is that once per account? Or once per person? Or once per computer? Or once per household? Or once per IP address? Or something else?

You said "bonus can only be claimed once", and despite me asking twice for clarification as to what that was meant to mean you never provided the requested clarification.

I think the most obvious interpretation would be "once per account", since the site wouldn't let me claim twice on the same account, but would let me claim twice on the same computer, from the same household. I don't think it's fair to withhold funds from players who misinterpreted your incredibly vague terms.

It's also very rude of you to call this player a scammer. He wasn't scamming you. He was playing within the stated rules. If you offer stupid exploitable bonuses please don't blame anyone but yourself when people inevitably try to exploit them. Promising a bonus and then refusing to pay it makes you the scammer, not the people trying to claim the bonus.

I didn't reply to you because I had ended the promo anyway so the info didn't matter.

I deliberately did a +ev promo for relaunch to give a little bonus to legist players and old fans of the site.
People who played within the rules liked and appreciated it, got their bonus and withdrew, no problem.

It was clear that I said the promo can only be claimed once.
I don't have to write everything into 100 very specific terms to make it obvous what that meant or to protect myself.

He was a scammer. He took 4 Bitcoin during the promo and I let him withdraw it.

THEN I changed the backend to limit it better and he still looked for ways to exploit that for another 4 Bitcoin.
That is obviously then clear cheating or playing not as intended.
He withdrew most of this. I confiscated around 1.4 Bitcoin, so less than 8 and 0.1 deposis don't cover the 8.

I didn't come back after 8 months to argue with you or anyone in this forum or to have people steal from me.
Lesson learned and it won't happen again.
But they won't get ther withdrawals and that is the final decision. Coreect decision too. I won't make any other posts about it.

I have a small investment in your ICO, but now I'm seriously considering just to dump it.

Why?

1. You are changing terms in a minutes
2. You are talking about BetKing - like a real king "I had ended", I I I I
3. You are confiscating money??

Should't we /the investors/ to have the last word about the site development and path?!

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Quote from: bitjamz on September 08, 2017, 03:09:52 AM

no affiliate program? a shame Cry

I think dean had said there will be an affiliate system soon.

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Just checked back on the site and found the new x100 wager promotion. Just want to be clear on the rules before I deposit: what does the 0 edge mean? I saw that the dice edge on x2 payout was still 1% (49.5 win chance). Will this adjust to a 50% win chance on x2 if we claim the deposit bonus? And this works for all currencies equally, correct?

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Freedom&Honor

You are in the right if he has been using multi-accounts to use what was a pretty generous bonus.
I have already quoted the OP which is unedited for 4 days and it clearly states it can only be used once.
I support your move

Positive EV bonus is there for a reason, and it's not for someone who's going to exploit it to get it all for himself.

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no affiliate program? a shame Cry

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Quote from: dooglus on September 07, 2017, 09:11:32 PM

Quote from: BetKing.io on September 06, 2017, 04:07:41 PM

The bonus was 1 per user an you tried to scam for many Bitcoin.

The terms for the bonus were very unclear:

Quote from: dooglus on September 06, 2017, 02:12:34 AM

Quote from: BetKing.io on September 04, 2017, 01:43:06 PM

Bonus terms:
[...]
Bonus can only be claimed once
[...]

Is that once per account? Or once per person? Or once per computer? Or once per household? Or once per IP address? Or something else?

You said "bonus can only be claimed once", and despite me asking twice for clarification as to what that was meant to mean you never provided the requested clarification.

I think the most obvious interpretation would be "once per account", since the site wouldn't let me claim twice on the same account, but would let me claim twice on the same computer, from the same household. I don't think it's fair to withhold funds from players who misinterpreted your incredibly vague terms.

It's also very rude of you to call this player a scammer. He wasn't scamming you. He was playing within the stated rules. If you offer stupid exploitable bonuses please don't blame anyone but yourself when people inevitably try to exploit them. Promising a bonus and then refusing to pay it makes you the scammer, not the people trying to claim the bonus.

I didn't reply to you because I had ended the promo anyway so the info didn't matter.

I deliberately did a +ev promo for relaunch to give a little bonus to legist players and old fans of the site.
People who played within the rules liked and appreciated it, got their bonus and withdrew, no problem.

It was clear that I said the promo can only be claimed once.
I don't have to write everything into 100 very specific terms to make it obvous what that meant or to protect myself.

He was a scammer. He took 4 Bitcoin during the promo and I let him withdraw it.

THEN I changed the backend to limit it better and he still looked for ways to exploit that for another 4 Bitcoin.
That is obviously then clear cheating or playing not as intended.
He withdrew most of this. I confiscated around 1.4 Bitcoin, so less than 8 and 0.1 deposis don't cover the 8.

I didn't come back after 8 months to argue with you or anyone in this forum or to have people steal from me.
Lesson learned and it won't happen again.
But they won't get ther withdrawals and that is the final decision. Coreect decision too. I won't make any other posts about it.

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Quote from: iluvbitcoins on September 08, 2017, 02:24:13 AM

Quote

Bonus terms:
Click claim bonus on the deposit dialog BEFORE you deposit
Bonus can only be claimed once
Min deposit 0.002 BTC
Max bonus rewarded 0.1 BTC
Wager 30x your deposit amount playing dice with 2x payout (49.5% chance) setting
Bonus will be unlocked and added to your balance after you meet the wager requirements.

Last edit on September 4

I'd say once isn't equal to once per account
Therefore, BetKing isn't in the wrong here
But the rules were too vague, when it comes to these things, they need to be explained thoroughly.

IMO -once- is once for me. why should I go for another one if I had such a generous promo?

Dean would be stupid to allow more than once cause it could be 10 or more times easily. just do the maths how much this could cost him if there are some smart low players? just lets take 100 users and they will play slow and low. 100 users with 0.1 deposit could cost him ~30k usd and now multiply this with households of 10 people.

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Freedom&Honor

Quote

Bonus terms:
Click claim bonus on the deposit dialog BEFORE you deposit
Bonus can only be claimed once
Min deposit 0.002 BTC
Max bonus rewarded 0.1 BTC
Wager 30x your deposit amount playing dice with 2x payout (49.5% chance) setting
Bonus will be unlocked and added to your balance after you meet the wager requirements.

Last edit on September 4

I'd say once isn't equal to once per account
Therefore, BetKing isn't in the wrong here
But the rules were too vague, when it comes to these things, they need to be explained thoroughly.

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