Topic: BETwitter - Bet & Win Bitcoins - Data source is Twitter - Promo coins - page 4. (Read 7336 times)

You may have been confused because in this specific and unique game, the words themselves were celebrity names. But "lady gaga" could have been "shortbread", it's just a word. The celebrity list wasn't applied to this game in any way.

The follower count for the *word* 'lady gaga' grew when someone new tweeted 'lady gaga'.

When someone tweets a word, the *tweets count* grows by one, always.

The "tweeter count", "maximum followers", "total followers" and "celebrities" only grow if it's the person's first tweet of the word in the game.

Been playing on this site and so far found it easy to win. I've won 3 out of 4 bets love this site very original. The withdraws are fast as well.

damn this is cool, unique! i would love this game, but yeah the description too short.

Yeah, I think more info should be provided, descriptions are bit ambigous.
On usability side, there is no "log me in automatically" option.

Boy it really seemed like that was EXACTLY what happened.  

https://betwitter.com/game/156/selection/popmusic-selector

When someone tweeted one of those celebrities full names, it seemed like the person who tweeted that name had their follower count added to the running total.  Is that wrong?  If it is wrong, I honestly can't figure out what that game is about.  Could you inform me please?

Quick update: the tweet logs (txt and html) sometimes showed tweets twice. Nothing was counted twice, logging happened twice when two words were matched (which is normally rare but with this Tennis game it becomes obvious).

It's fixed now, the same tweets won't be logged multiple times.

Like I said, it's really up to the individual game itself:

- how easy it will be to manipulate it with many twitter accounts
- how random the outcome will be
- how much difference research makes

For example if you create 'toopteetoop' vs 'pewpewpoo' and give it 10 minutes and make it a game about tweets rather than tweeters, it'll be a bunch of people posting these words over and over again on Twitter.

However if you pick 'lol' vs 'love', even a 30 minute sampling of tweet(er)s will be hard to manipulate because some those words have 20-30000 tweets per hour.

Then there's estimate type of games where you don't know what others bet before the deadline, and there's follower / celebrity based games that are probably easier to manipulate by befriending one of the ~100 celebrities in the list :-)

If I see manipulation down the line, I will most likely increase the attackers' cost by adding any obvious bots to a spamlist and ignoring their tweets, so after every manipulated game they'd have to get thousand more accounts (if Twitter doesn't ban them on their own). For now the game is fun enough and I don't see any clear manipulation. I expect it'll be a cat & mouse game a few months down the line if BETwitter picks up.

this is interesting, but doesnt it means that this can be manipulated ? there is a chance that a user can easily use some script or bot to tweet the words that was from the game to boost the number of tweet thus increasing his chance to win

The idea was that there would be something playing that users are able to monitor, without having to wait for games to start. Even if it's just one game at once (and sometimes there are more running in parallel), you can always bet on the two next games, and then always have time. If I left 5 minutes between games, it wouldn't be enough to do proper research anyway. So use a bigger buffer :-)


I was specifically trying to avoid posting any games like that, but may have one still laying around. The formula is always something to look at whenever you're confused or unsure. If you post the link to the game, I'll fix the text.



It could be two things. Either the maximum follower count (what was the best follower count seen on users tweeting the word) or total/combined follower count (add up the followers of each and every twitter account that used the word).

Maximum follower count EXAMPLE:
- Timmy has 10 followers
- Jane has 5 followers
- Bob has 15 followers
Maximum follower count: 15.

Total follower count EXAMPLE:
- Timmy has 10 followers
- Jane has 5 followers
- Bob has 15 followers
Total follower count: 30.

The total follower count is kind of like tweeters, except the more followers someone has, the more weight them tweeting the word gets. Most of the time it's the word with the most tweeters that has the biggest total follower count.


No, that is an incorrect interpretation.


Wrong. Celebrities only matter if there is a sum_total_celebrities variable included in the formula. Otherwise they don't matter at all.


I'll look into truncating it in the top bar instead of maybe showing 4 decimals.


I expect that to be upgraded.


I'll look into finding a middle ground for that.


"What everyone is betting on" can be very different in different games and the game can't AI to find out what it is.


There was a similar game (vodka, whiskey, bourbon, beer etc) on the site before the last DB reset. And there may be again. You're also welcome to submit such a game.


I think games with two big common words are more fun than words with many words variations.


I will, later, if/when there are more players. For now it's hard as it is to find people to bet on games even when I throw in 'free coins' on both sides. I'm worried that if I let games be submitted quickly, most of them would end up being auto-cancelled.

I understand the logic, you need a good balance between a fair min bet and a good pot.  It is a balancing act and I can respect that. You are going to however find some people who get their bitcoins mostly from faucets and gambling a little cautious. I think this mostly comes from all the scams that have come a gone here. As you get older and more respected people will be willing to part with higher bets. Fourtnejack has some high min bets on some games and do fine. Just keep the game going and paying, over time the min bet won't be an issue. You could also allow bets in other cryptocurrencies.


I might buy some coins, just what draws me away is not knowing a safe place to do it.

Played off and on throughout the day, jotted down some thoughts as they occurred to me:

Deposits are quick - 2 confirms

Payouts are quick, seems to take around a minute or two after time expires on each game.

Withdraws are instant.

The start times need to be staggered just a little bit more.  Right now it looks like each game closes/pays out 5 minutes before the next one starts...but each game has a 5 minute buffer before it starts where it doesn't accept any more bets.  A lot of people like to roll their winnings over to the next game or only deposit enough for one game and don't have a balance to bet the next game until they get paid from a winning game.  The way the system is now, they get shut out of the next game.  If you just push each start time back 5 minutes (or remove the 5 minute no-bets buffer, but I'd imagine that is for safety/game integrity and needs to stay) I think you'll get a lot more volume.

Some of the games seem overly complicated.  For example the "true or false" game is just "which word will have more tweeters", but I can see it lead to confusion since "true" means one word while "false" means the other...why not just have the words listed?  Another game listed five celebrities and the bet was stated as "which performer will have the most combined followers?"  Now, at first blush, it seems very obvious that the bet is for...who will have the most followers.  Since that it literally what it says.  But that doesn't make any sense since those are static numbers and one person has 20,000,000 more than anyone else on the list.  Reading the rules and analyzing the formula and looking at the log during game play reveals that the actual game is that when someone ELSE tweets the celebritie's name, that person's total followers gets added to the running count.  So you are betting on who has the most combined followers of all the people tweeting about the celebrities.  Which is a very creative/fun/hard to predict game...but needs to be explained a little better.

The layout is pretty bad.  The balance cuts off and rounds, so you are always seeing an incorrect balance.  Having to refresh the page for updates is a little tedious.  Not having the leaderboard sort by what is winning is slightly annoying.  The number of tweets/followers/avg/max/total, while interesting metrics, are all irrelevant to the game and somewhat obfuscate what everyone is betting on (total tweeters).
Just to note - all of these issues are largely cosmetic and don't affect the game play.  None of these would prevent me from continuing to play here, but if improved I feel they would help the site look better, attract more players, and retain those players for longer.

I have no idea how feasable this is to impliment, but I would love to see the games be a little more intuitive.  For example, tomorrow there is a game of "drinking vs smoking".  But colloquially, people usually don't say "I'm drinking!" or "I'm smoking!"  If under the 'drinking' umbrella you add key words like "beer", "vodka", "whisky", "Bud", "brew", ect and under the 'smoking' umbrella you add key words like "cigarette", "cig", "pot", "weed", "vape", ect you'd have an outcome that is a little more accurate AND a little less easy to research.  Also have you considered common/intentional mispellings?  If there was a game of 'love' vs 'hate' (feel free to use that one), shouldn't 'luv' count for love and 'h8' count for hate?  Just something that popped into my head.

The games schedule is a little sporadic.  There were a bunch of games back to back to back this morning and afternoon, and now there is a 20 hour game and then nothing for 9 hours and then a 12 hour break after that one.  When I noticed this I tried to throw up some random games to fill in the open spots but the system only lets you create games 24 hours or more in advance.  Maybe throw up some games every half hour/hour and if they don't get action they don't get action.


Overall, I like the game, it's new and creative and fun and imo it's very easy to play in a +ev way which is important for longevity.  I'll def be checking out the games when they run in the next few days.

If minimum bet is 0.001 I think that top bar should show your balance accurately to that point - with rounding "down" so you always know how many bets you can afford without having to go to account details.
That's just my 0.002 :þ

to submit new game i will refer you to the following link, it is much easy to create new game,

https://betwitter.com/submit

Sure. See https://betwitter.com/submit

Also see the 'Clone this game' link at the bottom of games.

I would recommend that you come to IRC so 1) I could check the viability of your game idea before posting it, 2) so I could submit it for you and you wouldn't be charged for the game.

#betwitter on Freenode

Thankyou for the explanation about this, can we make our own games? lets say if i made something like lion vs tiger words, or is it only you that could create a new game?

You'll find all your bets at https://betwitter.com/account/history
There is also a link to recent games in your wallet history as well: https://betwitter.com/wallet/BTC
And of course the last 50 or 100 games or so appear on the games list at https://betwitter.com/games


But it's so easy! There's a statement like "this game will have twice as many tweeters as that word" and unless you know of some event that is happening on the date or anything that influences how much the target words are tweeted, you bet on the outcome based on stats that you'll find most of the time by clicking on a word. On the rare occasion that no stats are available, go with a gut feeling :-)



Many new games & bets posted! -> https://betwitter.com/games


^^^^^^^^^^
Some of those games are pretty much free coins to anyone who takes a minute to think and understand and do the maths

Hi, btcfaucet, i got some unanswered question here


Btw i am still Learning on how to play in this sites, it looks easy to predict but since your sites dont support a play money, id rather understand the sites more before i tried to play with my coins

Yes, there is a tweet log that you can watch in real time as it grows and then count everything. For the 'estimate' type of game where the specific bets aren't shown until the deadline, an SHA-256 summary of all the bets (and a nonce) is shown.

btw, is there a way for me to verify the data from the game? or perhaps you should implement the feature to check the data of the game from twitter, since casino implement provably fair, i think your site which is base on twitter should put on a way to verify the data too

There are games with 'John' and 'Miley Cyrus', 'Jesus' is an interesting word to sample as well. This was never about religion so I agree, let's drop the subject.