Dont really understand what yumei is after. I suspect he won't trade again without escrow.
maybe he is trolling, but don't know his goal (maybe he doesn't have one).
maybe he's a psychotic guy who think the devs are responsible of his loss.
Topic: Beware of IOTA Main Developers - page 2. (Read 9065 times)
maybe he is trolling, but don't know his goal (maybe he doesn't have one).
maybe he's a psychotic guy who think the devs are responsible of his loss.
@yumei:
One question, just to be sure that I got your point. You bought IOTA for 10 BTC or around 5,7k $ without using an escrow and now complaining about the IOTA devs because the scammer used the same profile picture and (editable) label name of a IOTA dev?
If so, didn't you get familiar with slack platform, did you? It is a very known issue that you have to check the @ to identify a user. Not relying on a label name. Further, a simple research would have brought you to know that the seller is a probable scammer and not the person you thought it is.
You made two mistakes:
1) Not using a escrow at all.
2) Not doing background research of the seller.
One question, just to be sure that I got your point. You bought IOTA for 10 BTC or around 5,7k $ without using an escrow and now complaining about the IOTA devs because the scammer used the same profile picture and (editable) label name of a IOTA dev?
If so, didn't you get familiar with slack platform, did you? It is a very known issue that you have to check the @
You made two mistakes:
1) Not using a escrow at all.
2) Not doing background research of the seller.
Slack should make it impossible to use a username that is being used already by another person, and reserve the @username url username for the people that owns the url, this way it would be impossible to try to impersonate other people.
As for the topic goes, I will read later, but I wanted to get involved in IOTA a bit since it looked interesting, so I hope is nothing serious.
In slack, you can't use the same @username, but you can use the same 'display name'. 2 different things.
They just use the same display name/profile images others are using.
What should have tipped him off, is his PMs with Dominick who speaks German but then says?
Dominik Schiener [11:59 PM]
a little but my English is better
Dont really understand what yumei is after. I suspect he won't trade again without escrow.
O.k for the stupid ones like Jabbawa.
Got to facebook.com and search for "Sergey Ivancheglo" aka. "Come-From-Beyond"
You might also search his name directly on google.com
Got to facebook.com and search for "Sergey Ivancheglo" aka. "Come-From-Beyond"
You might also search his name directly on google.com
I am not allowed to send any links or names here as they will be removed.
But anyone should research and make their own judgements.
Google, Facebook and VKontakte(russian facebook) are your friends.
But anyone should research and make their own judgements.
Google, Facebook and VKontakte(russian facebook) are your friends.
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Sorry, just to clarify: the transaction indeed confirmed on 2016-08-29.
Thanks @dexX7 for for confirmation. But "Come-From-Beyond" is still refusing:
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@yumei, as I promised I added an entry into your trust rating ("Pretended to be scammed for 10 BTC but refused to provide the hash of his transaction by making inconsistent excuses."), I'll remove it after you provide a proof that you indeed was scammed. Note that giving the hash may be not enough because it's not hard to claim that one transfer is yours, be ready to sign the hash with that very address
.After signing the hash he will find another excuse and resume his trolling, just to discredit me.
By the way: Did you know that "Come-From-Beyond" is actually Founder and CEO of IOTA + JINN (Isreali hardware start-up).
Some people claiming he was also the founder of NXT: https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/come-from-beyond-bcnext/
He divorced from his wife for a pretty young girl, despite his young daughter.
He is not able to remain faithful with his companys nore with his wifes.
With his arrogance and his thinking he is so superior to everyone, he thereby meets all the criteria having Narcissistic_personality_disorder : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
I would not be surprised if he decides to leave IOTA after he preyed upon all investors.
That is too funny
, I don't even know where to start, I'm not sure a single fact in there is actually correct lol. Like literally, not one thing is correct. No wonder this guy got scammed, due diligence is clearly not a priority lol.EDIT: Ok maybe cfb can seem a little arrogant sometimes (totally unrelated to narcissism), but that's the only thing I'll give you in all of that.
That Dominik Schiener guy looks like some Harvard wannabe mixed with Patrick Bateman. Besides being too young to trust with anyone's money.
I asked yumei to sign a message with the key used to sign the transaction input, and I asked when the alleged trade took place, because the conversation he posted showed a link to a release on GitHub, which was released only four days ago. I'm still waiting for a response.
Did he deliver the missing pieces?
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Sorry, just to clarify: the transaction indeed confirmed on 2016-08-29.
Thanks @dexX7 for for confirmation. But "Come-From-Beyond" is still refusing:
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@yumei, as I promised I added an entry into your trust rating ("Pretended to be scammed for 10 BTC but refused to provide the hash of his transaction by making inconsistent excuses."), I'll remove it after you provide a proof that you indeed was scammed. Note that giving the hash may be not enough because it's not hard to claim that one transfer is yours, be ready to sign the hash with that very address
.After signing the hash he will find another excuse and resume his trolling, just to discredit me.
By the way: Did you know that "Come-From-Beyond" is actually Founder and CEO of IOTA + JINN (Isreali hardware start-up).
Some people claiming he was also the founder of NXT: https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/come-from-beyond-bcnext/
He divorced from his wife for a pretty young girl, despite his young daughter.
He is not able to remain faithful with his companys nore with his wifes.
With his arrogance and his thinking he is so superior to everyone, he thereby meets all the criteria having Narcissistic_personality_disorder : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
I would not be surprised if he decides to leave IOTA after he preyed upon all investors.
@yumei:
One question, just to be sure that I got your point. You bought IOTA for 10 BTC or around 5,7k $ without using an escrow and now complaining about the IOTA devs because the scammer used the same profile picture and (editable) label name of a IOTA dev?
If so, didn't you get familiar with slack platform, did you? It is a very known issue that you have to check the @ to identify a user. Not relying on a label name. Further, a simple research would have brought you to know that the seller is a probable scammer and not the person you thought it is.
You made two mistakes:
1) Not using a escrow at all.
2) Not doing background research of the seller.
One question, just to be sure that I got your point. You bought IOTA for 10 BTC or around 5,7k $ without using an escrow and now complaining about the IOTA devs because the scammer used the same profile picture and (editable) label name of a IOTA dev?
If so, didn't you get familiar with slack platform, did you? It is a very known issue that you have to check the @
You made two mistakes:
1) Not using a escrow at all.
2) Not doing background research of the seller.
Slack should make it impossible to use a username that is being used already by another person, and reserve the @username url username for the people that owns the url, this way it would be impossible to try to impersonate other people.
As for the topic goes, I will read later, but I wanted to get involved in IOTA a bit since it looked interesting, so I hope is nothing serious.
2016-06-20 couldn't he find a better one?
Sorry, just to clarify: the transaction indeed confirmed on 2016-08-29.
Hey guys!
While I'm not a moderator, I reached out to yumei and asked, whether he wants to show me the transaction hash in private. He then send me an archive link of Slack, which I couldn't check out, as well as a transaction hash. The transaction confirmed on 2016-06-20 and it shows the movement of 10 BTC.
I asked yumei to sign a message with the key used to sign the transaction input, and I asked when the alleged trade took place, because the conversation he posted showed a link to a release on GitHub, which was released only four days ago. I'm still waiting for a response.
I will show the screenshots with the scammer including his Bitcoin Address to a bitcointalk.org moderator
While I'm not a moderator, I reached out to yumei and asked, whether he wants to show me the transaction hash in private. He then send me an archive link of Slack, which I couldn't check out, as well as a transaction hash. The transaction confirmed on 2016-06-20 and it shows the movement of 10 BTC.
I asked yumei to sign a message with the key used to sign the transaction input, and I asked when the alleged trade took place, because the conversation he posted showed a link to a release on GitHub, which was released only four days ago. I'm still waiting for a response.
2016-06-20 couldn't he find a better one?
Hey guys!
While I'm not a moderator, I reached out to yumei and asked, whether he wants to show me the transaction hash in private. He then send me an archive link of Slack, which I couldn't check out, as well as a transaction hash. The transaction confirmed on2016-06-20 and it shows the movement of 10 BTC.
I asked yumei to sign a message with the key used to sign the transaction input, and I asked when the alleged trade took place, because the conversation he posted showed a link to a release on GitHub, which was released only four days ago. I'm still waiting for a response.
edit: for some reason the timestamp on blockchain.info now shows 2016-08-29. I haven't checked it with Bitcoin Core earlier..
I will show the screenshots with the scammer including his Bitcoin Address to a bitcointalk.org moderator
While I'm not a moderator, I reached out to yumei and asked, whether he wants to show me the transaction hash in private. He then send me an archive link of Slack, which I couldn't check out, as well as a transaction hash. The transaction confirmed on
I asked yumei to sign a message with the key used to sign the transaction input, and I asked when the alleged trade took place, because the conversation he posted showed a link to a release on GitHub, which was released only four days ago. I'm still waiting for a response.
edit: for some reason the timestamp on blockchain.info now shows 2016-08-29. I haven't checked it with Bitcoin Core earlier..
@yumei:
One question, just to be sure that I got your point. You bought IOTA for 10 BTC or around 5,7k $ without using an escrow and now complaining about the IOTA devs because the scammer used the same profile picture and (editable) label name of a IOTA dev?
If so, didn't you get familiar with slack platform, did you? It is a very known issue that you have to check the @ to identify a user. Not relying on a label name. Further, a simple research would have brought you to know that the seller is a probable scammer and not the person you thought it is.
You made two mistakes:
1) Not using a escrow at all.
2) Not doing background research of the seller.
One question, just to be sure that I got your point. You bought IOTA for 10 BTC or around 5,7k $ without using an escrow and now complaining about the IOTA devs because the scammer used the same profile picture and (editable) label name of a IOTA dev?
If so, didn't you get familiar with slack platform, did you? It is a very known issue that you have to check the @
You made two mistakes:
1) Not using a escrow at all.
2) Not doing background research of the seller.
Yes, correct my fault was not to get familiar with trading on slack platform, which is in my opinion an invitation for the scammer anyway, so they should just stop it.
But the reaction from IOTA Devs and their "support" was the point I decided to make all this one publish.
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1. Dev and IOTA Slack coordinator Dominik Schiener making fun of me directly after I was scammed in their Slack-channel, telling me to "contact Bitcoin Core, maybe they will fork"
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2. Co-Founder and communication Manager David Sønstebø : Being rude to me and accusing me repeatedly "being stupid" from his "objective point" instead of apologizing for their behaviour.
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3. Founder and Chief-Developer "Come-from-Beyond" : Finally removing all my posts, claiming there never has been a scamming and I am a liar, allegedly because I didn´t want to publish my Bitcoin-Transaction hash.
They attack me personally, instead of speaking about the scamming at all. I just lost 10 bitcoins and they begun joking and insulting me. First this joke from Dominik and this dump defending from the founder of IOTA and the communitcation Manager telling me being stupid.
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People with high IQ tend to verbalize only the final stage assuming that the previous steps are obvious. Jokes work in a similar manner, they require a listener to construct intermediary steps in the mind, one of the steps triggers the reaction in brain. BTW, this is why quite often we see people who don't get a joke, low IQ doesn't allow to construct thoughts chain that make other people laugh..
People with high IQ tend to verbalize only the final stage assuming that the previous steps are obvious. Jokes work in a similar manner, they require a listener to construct intermediary steps in the mind, one of the steps triggers the reaction in brain. BTW, this is why quite often we see people who don't get a joke, low IQ doesn't allow to construct thoughts chain that make other people laugh..
Well I know I have to move on... but it was too personal, as I could ignore it. So I started to personal attack them.
You should take your meds and stay away from crypto, its not for you.
... That was the reason I was scammed.
Only reason is cause you're stupid, as you have shown yourself those last days.
Still having school holidays? You are in my ignore list now, Sockpuppet.
No I'm not.
... That was the reason I was scammed.
Only reason is cause you're stupid, as you have shown yourself those last days.
Still having school holidays? You are in my ignore list now, Sockpuppet.
... That was the reason I was scammed.
Only reason is cause you're stupid, as you have shown yourself those last days.
Does not sound. " We dont want to be traded on exchange" enough big alarm for you?
That's hilarious. No, seriously I can't stop laughing why anyone would be interested in a porject with devs not wanting exchanges.
Assuming that you, unlike OP who has not said 1 correct word thus far, is not a troll here is a genuine answer:
Virtually all the large exchanges has voiced their interest in listing IOTA from the beginning and are waiting for us to provide exchange-API, but unlike these other projects we are not concerned with it at all, IOTA is for real use-cases, the value of IOTA will be reflected from that, but it's not a priority at all. We chose to postpone exchange listing in order to tie up loose ends in the 'soft launch' period to avoid tons of confusion that would inevitably arise with thousands of new people coming in to learn a brand new technology.
That is the simple truth, if you do even 5 minutes rudimentary research about this project you would know that already, so now it's up to you to either accept reality or be a troll.
My point is if it can be traded already then I don't think it should be up to you to decide when people should be able to trade it more safely and conveniently.
Of course it is. People selling and buying OTC is not something we can prevent or even care to prevent, it is 100% up to the adults making choices for themselves. But when you open a market on the largest exchanges you suddenly have a huge influx of complete newbies who take up A LOT of time and effort, we didn't want that until we had resolved all the loose ends that revolutionary technology inevitably brings. IOTA, while being inherently the most decentralized architecture from a technology POV due to impossibility of forks and no decoupling of verification, as well as completely fair ICO with zero premine, is still mostly focused on real world adoption via companies. So while it's grassroots and activist in one sense, it is very much a pragmatic real world technology movement rather than an ideological one, so therefore it is entirely up to us how to best execute it, which we have been 100% open about from day 1.
You should at least stop the trading in your Slack Channel, when I connected to iotatangle.slack.com as a Slack Newbie, the appearance was that IOTA Team is controlling this chat. But a scammer conntacting me with the same name and picture like one of your IOTA Devs, inspired confidence. That was the reason I was scammed.
Does not sound. " We dont want to be traded on exchange" enough big alarm for you?
That's hilarious. No, seriously I can't stop laughing why anyone would be interested in a porject with devs not wanting exchanges.
Assuming that you, unlike OP who has not said 1 correct word thus far, is not a troll here is a genuine answer:
Virtually all the large exchanges has voiced their interest in listing IOTA from the beginning and are waiting for us to provide exchange-API, but unlike these other projects we are not concerned with it at all, IOTA is for real use-cases, the value of IOTA will be reflected from that, but it's not a priority at all. We chose to postpone exchange listing in order to tie up loose ends in the 'soft launch' period to avoid tons of confusion that would inevitably arise with thousands of new people coming in to learn a brand new technology.
That is the simple truth, if you do even 5 minutes rudimentary research about this project you would know that already, so now it's up to you to either accept reality or be a troll.
My point is if it can be traded already then I don't think it should be up to you to decide when people should be able to trade it more safely and conveniently.
Of course it is. People selling and buying OTC is not something we can prevent or even care to prevent, it is 100% up to the adults making choices for themselves. But when you open a market on the largest exchanges you suddenly have a huge influx of complete newbies who take up A LOT of time and effort, we didn't want that until we had resolved all the loose ends that revolutionary technology inevitably brings. IOTA, while being inherently the most decentralized architecture from a technology POV due to impossibility of forks and no decoupling of verification, as well as completely fair ICO with zero premine, is still mostly focused on real world adoption via companies. So while it's grassroots and activist in one sense, it is very much a pragmatic real world technology movement rather than an ideological one, so therefore it is entirely up to us how to best execute it, which we have been 100% open about from day 1.
Does not sound. " We dont want to be traded on exchange" enough big alarm for you?
That's hilarious. No, seriously I can't stop laughing why anyone would be interested in a porject with devs not wanting exchanges.
Assuming that you, unlike OP who has not said 1 correct word thus far, is not a troll here is a genuine answer:
Virtually all the large exchanges has voiced their interest in listing IOTA from the beginning and are waiting for us to provide exchange-API, but unlike these other projects we are not concerned with it at all, IOTA is for real use-cases, the value of IOTA will be reflected from that, but it's not a priority at all. We chose to postpone exchange listing in order to tie up loose ends in the 'soft launch' period to avoid tons of confusion that would inevitably arise with thousands of new people coming in to learn a brand new technology.
That is the simple truth, if you do even 5 minutes rudimentary research about this project you would know that already, so now it's up to you to either accept reality or be a troll.
My point is if it can be traded already then I don't think it should be up to you to decide when people should be able to trade it more safely and conveniently.
Well I know I have to move on...
@yumei = Admiral_bit = known low-life scammer/liar
Great, you finally admit that you failed again.
Plan 1: Question price => Failed. Price rose.
Plan 2: Pretend scam, discredit community => Failed. Bluff called, you lost.
Must be disappointing.
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