Topic: bfl a scam? (Read 6847 times)

The scammer tags were actually retired several years ago. We have switched to the trust system so people must give a (potential) scammer negative trust. More or less all of BFL's account have massive amounts of negative trust

Bumping

I'm requesting official scammer tagging of all forum accounts associated to BFL once they are convicted.

1. Bets not paid.
2. Lied about shipping dates to boost sales.
3. Lied about product readiness to boost sales.
4. No refund policies counter to FTC regulations.
5. Tax evasion accusations.
6. FCC testing was lied about.
7. Over promised on specifications for units to boost sales and then misrepresented the facts in the forums.
8. Countless claims of false advertizing laid out in numerous threads.
9. Accusations of backdoor shipments not according to shipping timelines stipulated to customers.
10. Accusations of mining with units that should be slated for customers.
11. Accusations of using pre-order funds for development against their claims never to do that.
12. Josh Zerlan has lied on numerous occasions on this forum, BFL forum about people, BFL products as well as their competition.

There are more I guess.

Feel free to read all the accusations yourself many are here in the section of the forum.

As for evidence... that is stipulated in the accusations.

BFL = Shady.

+1

So the fuck what? Some people made money of pirateat40 too, you know...

That doesn't make BTCST a "gamble" instead of a scam.


Their entire business is based on soliciting money using false and misleading statements that they should or indeed must have have known, in advance, to be false.

In the very best of circumstances, they are "merely" criminally incompetent.

Does BFL have a gambling licence then 

Not a scam, but gamble. You may mine at a loss or get nice profit based on when house (BFL) ships your preorder

Too easy spot them, its not even fun. There just payed/delusional/can't afford lose faith people and I feel a little sorry as they have no soul haha.

Buttfuckers I call them

BFL Pundit at work...


even promoting the so Call BFL SINGLE at this avatar. Fake they failed/never made that one.

Bar the fact a lot of people want to tell the truth about NFL and there underhand tactics! Who makes you Mr awesome and can get what you want around here? You sound a lot like josh.... just saying....

You speak as if your the o my one with the right idea/impression and then continue to be arrogant and demand an admi.
N to do your willing.

Well I say no! Keep this thread alive as bfl is one huge ponzi scheme. The more posts stating this the less people will fall for there b$

P.S all my opinion but you came across a bit of a dick imho

Even Zhou Tong's relic collector paid back the $50K he stole.

Bottom line, only consider BFL a scam iff they introduce a lower nm-based miner prior to clearing out their backlog, coupled with changing the delivery date of said miner days after garnering millions from such a sale based on a photoshopped image accompanied with specs that don't make sense. Since such a scenario is improbable, rest assure that even if such where to come to fruition, one will most definitely be assured refund protection when using PayPal or their credit card.

Ergo, lock the thread. Nothing more to see here.

Yes there is ample evidence of this. Read the forums.

THE OWNER's ARE KNOWN CROOKS, JOSH TALKS OUT OF HIS ARSE SO MUCH HE'S CONVINCED ITS HIS MOUTH AND NOW THEY 'RELEASE' (<-- Bad choice of word) A PRODUCT THAT ONLY THE BEST ENGINEERS CAN PRODUCE ON 28NM WHILE PEOPLE CAN STILL NOT PURCHASE ANY OF THE 'OLD' PRODUCTS AND PEOPLE LIKE ME STILL WAITING 14 MONTHS DOWN THE LINE FOR THERE PRODUCT! THEY DONT HAVE THE ABILITY TO PRODUCE THE MONARCH, NEVERMIND GET PRODUCT OUT FOR DEC! THEY'VE HAD 3 PRODUCTS AND ALL HAVE MISSED THERE DEAD LINE BY LONG DISTANCES, WHY WOULD YOU THINK A 28NM PART WOULD BE DIFFERENT? OR EVEN BETTER?

DON'T TRUST BFL WITH ANYTHING! THEY BLOCK/DELETE THREADS FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT SIGNED IN SO THE UNSUSPECTING PEOPLE THINK THERE'S NO ISSUE AND PEOPLE WHO WRITE THE STUFF ARE USUALLY LOGGED IN ANYWAYS AND DONT SEE THAT THERE THREADS AND POSTS ARE BEING BLOCKED FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC!

COWBOYS TO THE EXTREME! BE WARNED! THEY WILL SCREW YOU OVER!

For me there is. I requested my refund weeks ago and received no answer and no refund. Same with bASIC.

lol

Is there any evidence that they have stopped refunding?

There's no such thing as an unintentional scam. The concept is absurd.

What you're thinking of is a fuckup.

There's a difference between fraud and breach of contract. Sometimes a breach of contract is fraud, but not all breaches of contract are fraud.

Common law fraud in this sort of case is divided into two categories: (1) entering into contracts without any intent to perform the contracts obligations in the future, (2) making misrepresentations about present or past facts.

We're likely only worried about (1).

So, the question is whether this apparently shitty business was taking orders without any intention to fulfill them. If so, that's fraud.

But (2) could arise. For instance, if they lied and told you your order was on its way when it wasn't in order to keep you from cancelling the order, challenging the order with PayPal, or to induce you to buy even more stuff, that would also be fraud.

There are also different varieties of statutory fraud (I'll ignore the federal mail fraud statutes and things like that). Most states have a consumer fraud statute that is easier to use than common law fraud. Generally under statutory consumer fraud statutes, you need to show that the seller made a misrepresentation or omission in the sale or advertising of goods and that you were harmed by misrepresentation or omission. Unlike in a common law fraud case, you generally don't have to prove whether you reasonably relied on the misrepresentation or omission.

I just don't know enough about the situation to know whether fraud has occurred, but the comments suggest that it's almost certainly breach of contract.

lmao 1 hash

Pre-ordering a product that doesn't exist comes with an inherent risk of you never getting anything. You are nothing more than another name for an investor of a business that might fail.

This exactly.