This thread is DONE. It's now time to focus on the TRADE IN program. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/someone-else-can-waste-their-own-time-getting-to-the-bottom-of-this-88561
Topic: BFL ASIC Announcement - Truth or Troll ? - The LONG CON just got longer (Read 5788 times)
June 19, 2012, 03:50:36 PM
June 19, 2012, 03:48:00 PM
I'll gladly pay $149 for any used BFL single that comes out of the trade-up program. Just sayin.
June 19, 2012, 03:00:01 PM
Here's how I think the 'Last Nail in the Coffin' will play out...
The Jalapeno will be sold outright, new purchases ONLY.
The Bitforce Singles (current) will ONLY be accepted for 'Trade-Up' against the purchase of a $1300 SC Singles (they get another $700 out of you)....
The Mini Rigs will ONLY be accepted for 'Trade-Up' against the purchase of a $30,000 SC Mini-Rig (yes, they will get another $15,000 out of you).
..AND I believe this will ONLY be a 1:1 trade-up Ratio. So, no trading in 2x current Bitforce Mini-Rigs for a single ASIC Mini-Rig etc..... THEY WANT MORE OF YOUR MONEY and have put you in a LOSE/LOSE POSITION....
The Jalapeno will be sold outright, new purchases ONLY.
The Bitforce Singles (current) will ONLY be accepted for 'Trade-Up' against the purchase of a $1300 SC Singles (they get another $700 out of you)....
The Mini Rigs will ONLY be accepted for 'Trade-Up' against the purchase of a $30,000 SC Mini-Rig (yes, they will get another $15,000 out of you).
..AND I believe this will ONLY be a 1:1 trade-up Ratio. So, no trading in 2x current Bitforce Mini-Rigs for a single ASIC Mini-Rig etc..... THEY WANT MORE OF YOUR MONEY and have put you in a LOSE/LOSE POSITION....
It would definitely be tough for current customers to trade up if they have sunk all of their cash into current technology. If bitlane's prediction is anywhere close to true, some will be stuck and the trade in program will not be helpful in those cases.
Giga, I stand by what I posted here to you....
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.972804
That was NOT a Troll. It was genuine.
June 19, 2012, 02:45:44 PM
Here's how I think the 'Last Nail in the Coffin' will play out...
The Jalapeno will be sold outright, new purchases ONLY.
The Bitforce Singles (current) will ONLY be accepted for 'Trade-Up' against the purchase of a $1300 SC Singles (they get another $700 out of you)....
The Mini Rigs will ONLY be accepted for 'Trade-Up' against the purchase of a $30,000 SC Mini-Rig (yes, they will get another $15,000 out of you).
..AND I believe this will ONLY be a 1:1 trade-up Ratio. So, no trading in 2x current Bitforce Mini-Rigs for a single ASIC Mini-Rig etc..... THEY WANT MORE OF YOUR MONEY and have put you in a LOSE/LOSE POSITION....
The Jalapeno will be sold outright, new purchases ONLY.
The Bitforce Singles (current) will ONLY be accepted for 'Trade-Up' against the purchase of a $1300 SC Singles (they get another $700 out of you)....
The Mini Rigs will ONLY be accepted for 'Trade-Up' against the purchase of a $30,000 SC Mini-Rig (yes, they will get another $15,000 out of you).
..AND I believe this will ONLY be a 1:1 trade-up Ratio. So, no trading in 2x current Bitforce Mini-Rigs for a single ASIC Mini-Rig etc..... THEY WANT MORE OF YOUR MONEY and have put you in a LOSE/LOSE POSITION....
It would definitely be tough for current customers to trade up if they have sunk all of their cash into current technology. If bitlane's prediction is anywhere close to true, some will be stuck and the trade in program will not be helpful in those cases.
June 19, 2012, 02:24:01 PM
I can't wait to learn more about the BFL Trade-Up/Upgrade Program....
June 19, 2012, 12:32:56 PM
This poll is a little biased. They aren't trolling, but we won't get the ASICs in 2012. I'm guessing March 2013.
June 19, 2012, 12:28:26 PM
I agree with you. Diablo D3 has it out for BFL, that's why he stickied it. It's unfair and very biased treatment.
None of BFL's competitors who come in the BFL threads and rag on them are ever even forced to make an apology, much less them receiving "punishments" for it.
None of BFL's competitors who come in the BFL threads and rag on them are ever even forced to make an apology, much less them receiving "punishments" for it.
BFL wasn't forced to make an apology. They chose to do it on their own after a number of users and a mod pounced on them for spreading (more) FUD in another legitimate company's thread. The only "punishment" here is people having the opportunity to see exactly what BFL chose to write about another company's product.
I agree - the "higher standard" justification falls apart if the standard isn't being applied uniformly. Also, I want to apologize to the OP for starting what has turned out to be a hijacking of this thread. There is a thread for this in the meta forum, so maybe the discussion should continue there.
June 19, 2012, 12:16:41 PM
I agree with you. Diablo D3 has it out for BFL, that's why he stickied it. It's unfair and very biased treatment.
None of BFL's competitors who come in the BFL threads and rag on them are ever even forced to make an apology, much less them receiving "punishments" for it.
None of BFL's competitors who come in the BFL threads and rag on them are ever even forced to make an apology, much less them receiving "punishments" for it.
BFL wasn't forced to make an apology. They chose to do it on their own after a number of users and a mod pounced on them for spreading (more) FUD in another legitimate company's thread. The only "punishment" here is people having the opportunity to see exactly what BFL chose to write about another company's product.
June 19, 2012, 11:31:13 AM
I agree with you. Diablo D3 has it out for BFL, that's why he stickied it. It's unfair and very biased treatment.
None of BFL's competitors who come in the BFL threads and rag on them are ever even forced to make an apology, much less them receiving "punishments" for it.
None of BFL's competitors who come in the BFL threads and rag on them are ever even forced to make an apology, much less them receiving "punishments" for it.
BFL wasn't forced to make an apology. They chose to do it on their own after a number of users and a mod pounced on them for spreading (more) FUD in another legitimate company's thread. The only "punishment" here is people having the opportunity to see exactly what BFL chose to write about another company's product.
June 19, 2012, 11:24:22 AM
I would like to point out that BFL did NOT apologize immediately. They apologized after moderator DiabloD3 posted on that thread.. Do you research man. BFL's punishment is well deserved.
I disagree, it isn't deserved. I did do my research - you just have a different notion of what counts as "immediately." Sure, they apologized after a number of members, including DiabloD3, called them out for the stupid remark. Still, it didn't take them long to apologize, and the mature thing to do is to accept their apology without childish retaliation. Look, there are lots of reasons to be unhappy with BFL business practices, and they are being picked apart over this to the nth degree in various threads on this forum, but this doesn't justify creating a sticky thread over one unfortunate comment they made. If any other member on this forum had made this comment, it certainly wouldn't have lead to this sticky. So BFL is obviously being overly punished for this simply because one or more of the mods doesn't like them and is blowing the whole event out of proportion. If you want to attack BFL, stick with the real reasons for this - i.e. their business practices - and not one stupid comment they made and apologized for. My point is, they shouldn't be overly punished for the stupid comment just because there are *other* reasons to be unhappy with them. Attack them for the other reasons and let the stupid comment go.
BFL is not a regular member. It's a company and that user BFL is representing Butterflylabs inc. That's why it got stickied. Do you think it is appropriate to talk shit in other manufacturer's thread? No, it is not. I say this again: They apologized after DiabloD3 hinted them to stfu. You have different rules when you are representing a company.
Yeah, I agree with you that a company should be held to a higher standard. But it's still a single individual making the post, and individuals can make mistakes. Whoever posts for them made a poor decision, realized this after it was pointed out to him, and apologized. That should be enough. The remark was of course not appropriate, but it is a daily occurrence on this board that someone does something inappropriate (and much more inappropriate in many cases), but this doesn't doesn't result in a sticky punishment. I still think it's way overdone to create a sticky about it. IMO, the sticky seems to be more motivated by hatred for BFL than out of a sense for just punishment for their infraction, which compared to what else goes on in this forum, was fairly minor, even for a company. The sticky seems inappropriate to me, but at this point I'm not sure what else to say about it - I'll just let others chime in with their opinion, and the mods can do as they see fit.
None of BFL's competitors who come in the BFL threads and rag on them are ever even forced to make an apology, much less them receiving "punishments" for it.
June 19, 2012, 11:23:22 AM
I admit that you have a point and you are right. I'm sure it wont stay there long. For a few days to make the point.
June 19, 2012, 11:18:29 AM
I would like to point out that BFL did NOT apologize immediately. They apologized after moderator DiabloD3 posted on that thread.. Do you research man. BFL's punishment is well deserved.
I disagree, it isn't deserved. I did do my research - you just have a different notion of what counts as "immediately." Sure, they apologized after a number of members, including DiabloD3, called them out for the stupid remark. Still, it didn't take them long to apologize, and the mature thing to do is to accept their apology without childish retaliation. Look, there are lots of reasons to be unhappy with BFL business practices, and they are being picked apart over this to the nth degree in various threads on this forum, but this doesn't justify creating a sticky thread over one unfortunate comment they made. If any other member on this forum had made this comment, it certainly wouldn't have lead to this sticky. So BFL is obviously being overly punished for this simply because one or more of the mods doesn't like them and is blowing the whole event out of proportion. If you want to attack BFL, stick with the real reasons for this - i.e. their business practices - and not one stupid comment they made and apologized for. My point is, they shouldn't be overly punished for the stupid comment just because there are *other* reasons to be unhappy with them. Attack them for the other reasons and let the stupid comment go.
BFL is not a regular member. It's a company and that user BFL is representing Butterflylabs inc. That's why it got stickied. Do you think it is appropriate to talk shit in other manufacturer's thread? No, it is not. I say this again: They apologized after DiabloD3 hinted them to stfu. You have different rules when you are representing a company.
I agree with the punishment. Its not the first time BFL handles the forums unprofessionally.
Yeah, I agree with you that a company should be held to a higher standard. But it's still a single individual making the post, and individuals can make mistakes. Whoever posts for them made a poor decision, realized this after it was pointed out to him, and apologized. That should be enough. The remark was of course not appropriate, but it is a daily occurrence on this board that someone does something inappropriate (and much more inappropriate in many cases), but this doesn't doesn't result in a sticky punishment. I still think it's way overdone to create a sticky about it. IMO, the sticky seems to be more motivated by hatred for BFL than out of a sense for just punishment for their infraction, which compared to what else goes on in this forum, was fairly minor, even for a company. The sticky seems inappropriate to me, but at this point I'm not sure what else to say about it - I'll just let others chime in with their opinion, and the mods can do as they see fit.
June 19, 2012, 11:16:26 AM
I would like to point out that BFL did NOT apologize immediately. They apologized after moderator DiabloD3 posted on that thread.. Do you research man. BFL's punishment is well deserved.
I disagree, it isn't deserved. I did do my research - you just have a different notion of what counts as "immediately." Sure, they apologized after a number of members, including DiabloD3, called them out for the stupid remark. Still, it didn't take them long to apologize, and the mature thing to do is to accept their apology without childish retaliation. Look, there are lots of reasons to be unhappy with BFL business practices, and they are being picked apart over this to the nth degree in various threads on this forum, but this doesn't justify creating a sticky thread over one unfortunate comment they made. If any other member on this forum had made this comment, it certainly wouldn't have lead to this sticky. So BFL is obviously being overly punished for this simply because one or more of the mods doesn't like them and is blowing the whole event out of proportion. If you want to attack BFL, stick with the real reasons for this - i.e. their business practices - and not one stupid comment they made and apologized for. My point is, they shouldn't be overly punished for the stupid comment just because there are *other* reasons to be unhappy with them. Attack them for the other reasons and let the stupid comment go.
BFL is not a regular member. It's a company and that user BFL is representing Butterflylabs inc. That's why it got stickied. Do you think it is appropriate to talk shit in other manufacturer's thread? No, it is not. I say this again: They apologized after DiabloD3 hinted them to stfu. You have different rules when you are representing a company.
Yeah, I agree with you that a company should be held to a higher standard. But it's still a single individual making the post, and individuals can make mistakes. Whoever posts for them made a poor decision, realized this after it was pointed out to him, and apologized. That should be enough. The remark was of course not appropriate, but it is a daily occurrence on this board that someone does something inappropriate (and much more inappropriate in many cases), but this doesn't doesn't result in a sticky punishment. I still think it's way overdone to create a sticky about it. IMO, the sticky seems to be more motivated by hatred for BFL than out of a sense for just punishment for their infraction, which compared to what else goes on in this forum, was fairly minor, even for a company. The sticky seems inappropriate to me, but at this point I'm not sure what else to say about it - I'll just let others chime in with their opinion, and the mods can do as they see fit.
June 19, 2012, 10:34:27 AM
I would like to point out that BFL did NOT apologize immediately. They apologized after moderator DiabloD3 posted on that thread.. Do you research man. BFL's punishment is well deserved.
I disagree, it isn't deserved. I did do my research - you just have a different notion of what counts as "immediately." Sure, they apologized after a number of members, including DiabloD3, called them out for the stupid remark. Still, it didn't take them long to apologize, and the mature thing to do is to accept their apology without childish retaliation. Look, there are lots of reasons to be unhappy with BFL business practices, and they are being picked apart over this to the nth degree in various threads on this forum, but this doesn't justify creating a sticky thread over one unfortunate comment they made. If any other member on this forum had made this comment, it certainly wouldn't have lead to this sticky. So BFL is obviously being overly punished for this simply because one or more of the mods doesn't like them and is blowing the whole event out of proportion. If you want to attack BFL, stick with the real reasons for this - i.e. their business practices - and not one stupid comment they made and apologized for. My point is, they shouldn't be overly punished for the stupid comment just because there are *other* reasons to be unhappy with them. Attack them for the other reasons and let the stupid comment go.
BFL is not a regular member. It's a company and that user BFL is representing Butterflylabs inc. That's why it got stickied. Do you think it is appropriate to talk shit in other manufacturer's thread? No, it is not. I say this again: They apologized after DiabloD3 hinted them to stfu. You have different rules when you are representing a company.
June 19, 2012, 09:55:31 AM
I would like to point out that BFL did NOT apologize immediately. They apologized after moderator DiabloD3 posted on that thread.. Do you research man. BFL's punishment is well deserved.
I disagree, it isn't deserved. I did do my research - you just have a different notion of what counts as "immediately." Sure, they apologized after a number of members, including DiabloD3, called them out for the stupid remark. Still, it didn't take them long to apologize, and the mature thing to do is to accept their apology without childish retaliation. Look, there are lots of reasons to be unhappy with BFL business practices, and they are being picked apart over this to the nth degree in various threads on this forum, but this doesn't justify creating a sticky thread over one unfortunate comment they made. If any other member on this forum had made this comment, it certainly wouldn't have lead to this sticky. So BFL is obviously being overly punished for this simply because one or more of the mods doesn't like them and is blowing the whole event out of proportion. If you want to attack BFL, stick with the real reasons for this - i.e. their business practices - and not one stupid comment they made and apologized for. My point is, they shouldn't be overly punished for the stupid comment just because there are *other* reasons to be unhappy with them. Attack them for the other reasons and let the stupid comment go.
June 19, 2012, 09:53:08 AM
I would like to point out that BFL did NOT apologize immediately. They apologized after moderator DiabloD3 posted on that thread.. Do you research man. BFL's punishment is well deserved.
I disagree, it isn't deserved. I did do my research - you just have a different notion of what counts as "immediately." Sure, they apologized after a number of members, including DiabloD3, called them out for the stupid remark. Still, it didn't take them long to apologize, and the mature thing to do is to accept their apology without childish retaliation. Look, there are lots of reasons to be unhappy with BFL business practices, and they are being picked apart over this to the nth degree in various threads on this forum, but this doesn't justify creating a sticky thread over one unfortunate comment they made. If any other member on this forum had made this comment, it certainly wouldn't have lead to this sticky. So BFL is obviously being overly punished for this simply because one or more of the mods doesn't like them and is blowing the whole event out of proportion. If you want to attack BFL, stick with the real reasons for this - i.e. their business practices - and not one stupid comment they made and apologized for. My point is, they shouldn't be overly punished for the stupid comment just because there are *other* reasons to be unhappy with them. Attack them for the other reasons and let the stupid comment go.
June 19, 2012, 09:23:35 AM
I would like to point out that BFL did NOT apologize immediately. They apologized after moderator DiabloD3 posted on that thread.. Do you research man. BFL's punishment is well deserved.
June 19, 2012, 08:55:51 AM
I'm no friend of BFL, but can someone justify the decision to create "The thread in which BFL trolls Enterpoint," locked and sticky? This seems entirely uncalled for, and more than a little childish. I'm quite frankly shocked that the moderators on this board did or allowed this. Sure, BFL made a stupid comment on the Enterpoint thread, but they apologized immediately. Did they "troll" the thread? I don't think trolls apologize for their comments - but who knows? - this word "troll" has become so hackneyed I have very little grip on what it means anymore. I thought the job of moderators was to *moderate* - not join an attack on a company that is based mostly on speculation about what they might do or what their motives might be. IMO, the sticky should at the very least be removed from that thread. Let it sink slowly into oblivion - that is more than enough of a slap on the wrist for what BFL did.
I find it shocking that they bother to reply and write in the Enterpoint's thread, yet don't bother to read and reply in the own threads, in which people that have sent them money ask genuine questions. They got what they deserved.
June 19, 2012, 08:51:51 AM
I'm no friend of BFL, but can someone justify the decision to create "The thread in which BFL trolls Enterpoint," locked and sticky? This seems entirely uncalled for, and more than a little childish. I'm quite frankly shocked that the moderators on this board did or allowed this. Sure, BFL made a stupid comment on the Enterpoint thread, but they apologized immediately. Did they "troll" the thread? I don't think trolls apologize for their comments - but who knows? - this word "troll" has become so hackneyed I have very little grip on what it means anymore. I thought the job of moderators was to *moderate* - not join an attack on a company that is based mostly on speculation about what they might do or what their motives might be. IMO, the sticky should at the very least be removed from that thread. Let it sink slowly into oblivion - that is more than enough of a slap on the wrist for what BFL did.
June 19, 2012, 08:44:49 AM
Where is Inaba? we need him so badly.
This will be the best CON in bitcoin's history.
This will be the best CON in bitcoin's history.
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