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Quote from: [Tycho] on September 06, 2012, 04:56:15 AM

Quote from: tytus on September 06, 2012, 04:45:32 AM

Are there power dissipation estimations for any of the ASIC products available ?

Not yet, I'm afraid to post simulation results as they may be wrong.
AFAIK, our competitors didn't published their expectations too. But at least we know that it will be better than 45 nm FPGAs

Actually Bitfountain did publish their expectations:

Quote from: friedcat on August 02, 2012, 06:39:17 AM

Update

After further optimization and some trade-offs, we came up with this updated estimation results based on our improved design.

Hashrate: 1.00GH/s per chip
Area: 21.7mm^2 per chip
Power Consumption: 8.23W

Again remember that they are estimated from the RTL design and might have some differences to real products.

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Quote from: fortyniner on September 04, 2012, 06:30:53 PM

I did the math:

BTCFPGA bASIC $1069.99 ÷ 27GH = $39.63/GH
1 year warranty
projected to ship in November/December of 2012

BFL Single 'SC' $1299.00 ÷ 40GH = $32.48/GH
6 month warranty
projected to ship in October of 2012

but yes, competition is good.

BFL has changed their delivery date to late October/early November, FYI:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1150738

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Quote from: arklan on September 05, 2012, 03:10:15 AM

i just tried via google translate. ...yea... i'm gonna have to wait for an english announcement.

English announcement is coming here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/dbrclmr-deepbit-reclaimer-asics-108375

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Quote from: tytus on September 06, 2012, 04:45:32 AM

Are there power dissipation estimations for any of the ASIC products available ?

Not yet, I'm afraid to post simulation results as they may be wrong.
AFAIK, our competitors didn't published their expectations too. But at least we know that it will be better than 45 nm FPGAs :)

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Are there power dissipation estimations for any of the ASIC products available ?

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Quote from: punin on September 06, 2012, 01:05:32 AM

These are contradictory by a magnitude. Tycho, you say 35 USD per GH/s on this thread and 32 BTC per GH/s on the russian thread.

That 1 GH/s value was quoted from some older conversation. I said "$320 per GH/s seems reasonable when no BFL products are available".

Actual prices and performance figures are stated in the first message, and it's from $2800 for 80 GH/s (most effective) down to $320 for 4 GH/s (least effective).

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Quote from: [Tycho] on August 21, 2012, 05:36:45 AM

Quote from: rastapool on August 20, 2012, 06:01:10 PM

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тpи мoдeли - 1 ГX/c, 4 ГX/c и 48 ГX/c

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Цeнa caмoгo дeшёвoгo дeвaйca oжидaeтcя в paйoнe 32 БTЦ пo пpeдзaкaзy.

Haвepнoe ты oпeчaтaлcя и имeл в видy 32 USD? Инaчe я нe пoнимaю.

Дa нeт, вpoдe бы нe oпeчaтaлcя.
Пpи ycлoвии oтcyтcтвия БФЛ, цeнa oкoлo $320 зa 1+ ГX/c в нacтoящee вpeмя выглядит нopмaльнo.
Для мeня oчeнь вaжнo нe oбeщaть тoгo, чтo мoжeт oкaзaтьcя нeocyщecтвлённым. Taк чтo лyчшe пooбeщaть 1 ГX и cдeлaть 4 Гx, чeм пooбeщaть 4, a cдeлaть 2.
A вoт зa $32 этo нeвoзмoжнo, paзвe чтo тoлькo ecли зaкaзывaть coтни тыcяч, чтoбы ceбecтoимocть кaждoгo чипa былa мeнee $2-$5

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Quote from: [Tycho] on September 05, 2012, 05:21:08 AM

Quote from: niko on September 05, 2012, 04:43:22 AM

Bonds are traded via icbit.se at ~$300 per Gh/s as "DB.RCLMR". The price is justified by the "absence of competition" (in real life).

Your numbers are a bit off.
It's closer to ~$35 per GH/s for the biggest device. The smallest one is more expensive, but still very far from ~$300 per Gh/s.

These are contradictory by a magnitude. Tycho, you say 35 USD per GH/s on this thread and 32 BTC per GH/s on the russian thread.

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Quote from: [Tycho] on September 05, 2012, 05:21:08 AM

Quote from: niko on September 05, 2012, 04:43:22 AM

Bonds are traded via icbit.se at ~$300 per Gh/s as "DB.RCLMR". The price is justified by the "absence of competition" (in real life).

Your numbers are a bit off.
It's closer to ~$35 per GH/s for the biggest device. The smallest one is more expensive, but still very far from ~$300 per Gh/s.

I apologize for misinformation. I got carried away with some of the posts in the referenced thread and did not check Tycho's post carefully. Also, my Russian sucks.

Quote from: [Tycho] on August 21, 2012, 05:36:45 AM

Quote from: rastapool on August 20, 2012, 06:01:10 PM

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тpи мoдeли - 1 ГX/c, 4 ГX/c и 48 ГX/c

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Цeнa caмoгo дeшёвoгo дeвaйca oжидaeтcя в paйoнe 32 БTЦ пo пpeдзaкaзy.

Haвepнoe ты oпeчaтaлcя и имeл в видy 32 USD? Инaчe я нe пoнимaю.

Дa нeт, вpoдe бы нe oпeчaтaлcя.
Пpи ycлoвии oтcyтcтвия БФЛ, цeнa oкoлo $320 зa 1+ ГX/c в нacтoящee вpeмя выглядит нopмaльнo.
Для мeня oчeнь вaжнo нe oбeщaть тoгo, чтo мoжeт oкaзaтьcя нeocyщecтвлённым. Taк чтo лyчшe пooбeщaть 1 ГX и cдeлaть 4 Гx, чeм пooбeщaть 4, a cдeлaть 2.
A вoт зa $32 этo нeвoзмoжнo, paзвe чтo тoлькo ecли зaкaзывaть coтни тыcяч, чтoбы ceбecтoимocть кaждoгo чипa былa мeнee $2-$5

Anyhow, glad to see these efforts are under way. Best of luck to all involved!

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Quote from: [Tycho] on September 05, 2012, 06:17:18 AM

Quote from: Unacceptable on September 05, 2012, 06:10:00 AM

So...are you going to be selling these after you mine with them.Thats the drift I'm getting after reading that thread.Because it sounds like your designing them for data center installs.

Or,buy bonds=buying product & receive when ready for shipping Huh

No, I'm not going to mine on them (at least not in any other sence than a normal user).
Bonds were created for collecting pre-payments only and they will be exchanged for products.

Very interesting,so they may be ready by feb of 2013.I'm looking forward to more info Cool

Thanks Tycho Grin

You seem very fluent in Russian,are you from there Huh

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Quote from: Unacceptable on September 05, 2012, 06:10:00 AM

So...are you going to be selling these after you mine with them.Thats the drift I'm getting after reading that thread.Because it sounds like your designing them for data center installs.

Or,buy bonds=buying product & receive when ready for shipping ???

No, I'm not going to mine on them (at least not in any other sense than a normal user).
Bonds were created for collecting pre-payments only and they will be exchanged for products.

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Quote from: [Tycho] on September 05, 2012, 05:54:38 AM

Quote from: Unacceptable on September 05, 2012, 05:43:31 AM

These options have not been checked on finished products, but performance is not guaranteed base product below.

This part is almost completely opposite.
It says "guaranteed not to be below published perfomance for base product".

So...are you going to be selling these after you mine with them.Thats the drift I'm getting after reading that thread.Because it sounds like your designing them for data center installs.

Or,buy bonds=buying product & receive when ready for shipping Huh

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Quote from: Unacceptable on September 05, 2012, 05:43:31 AM

These options have not been checked on finished products, but performance is not guaranteed base product below.

This part is almost completely opposite.
It says "guaranteed not to be below published perfomance for base product".

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Quote from: arklan on September 05, 2012, 03:10:15 AM

Quote from: Garr255 on September 05, 2012, 02:38:09 AM

Quote from: Garr255 on September 05, 2012, 02:36:39 AM

Quote from: niko on September 05, 2012, 02:08:23 AM

Quote from: Garr255 on September 05, 2012, 12:58:27 AM

Quote from: niko on September 05, 2012, 12:44:41 AM

Any news about largecoin ASIC project?

Nope, but I did just stumble across this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/deepbit-reclaimer-asics-104680 Cheesy

Is this out of the blue? I don't recall hearing anything about deepbit asics.

Hasn't been announced in English yet shh Tongue

But seriously, am I the only one that attempts to read the other-languaged forum?

i just tried via google translate. ...yea... i'm gonna have to wait for an english announcement.

Reservation is by purchasing special "securities" on the trading floor https://icbit.seAfter the announcement of the start of serial production, four bond could be exchanged for one basic unit-Reclaimer One.For other models, respectively, more bonds.

(price valid when you purchase through predzakaze bonds)These options have not been checked on finished products, but performance is not guaranteed base product below.

Bonds are sold at our trading site https://icbit.se in the Exchange, the name of the tool-DB.RCLMRTo purchase bonds, you must enter bitkojny directly or buy them on the spot for dollars or rubles. US dollars are accepted through vouchers VouchX exchanger AurumXchange, and rub-through QIWI. eggs automatically crediting.Pool accounts transactions are accepted without waiting for evidence of DeepBit.

I used this http://www.bing.com/translator/

Uh,Tycho is Russian Huh

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Quote from: niko on September 05, 2012, 04:43:22 AM

Bonds are traded via icbit.se at ~$300 per Gh/s as "DB.RCLMR". The price is justified by the "absence of competition" (in real life).

Your numbers are a bit off.
It's closer to ~$35 per GH/s for the biggest device. The smallest one is more expensive, but still very far from ~$300 per Gh/s.

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Quote from: arklan on September 05, 2012, 03:10:15 AM

Quote from: Garr255 on September 05, 2012, 02:38:09 AM

Quote from: Garr255 on September 05, 2012, 02:36:39 AM

Quote from: niko on September 05, 2012, 02:08:23 AM

Quote from: Garr255 on September 05, 2012, 12:58:27 AM

Quote from: niko on September 05, 2012, 12:44:41 AM

Any news about largecoin ASIC project?

Nope, but I did just stumble across this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/deepbit-reclaimer-asics-104680 Cheesy

Is this out of the blue? I don't recall hearing anything about deepbit asics.

Hasn't been announced in English yet shh Tongue

But seriously, am I the only one that attempts to read the other-languaged forum?

i just tried via google translate. ...yea... i'm gonna have to wait for an english announcement.

Bonds are traded via icbit.se ~~at ~$300 per Gh/s~~ as "DB.RCLMR". The price is justified by the "absence of competition" (in real life).

EDIT:
A hint in English:

Quote from: [Tycho] on August 09, 2012, 08:13:19 PM

Soon our Reclaimer project bonds will be available - another way of investing in ASIC and the Bitcoin future

(Well, actually they are already available, but not announced yet)

EDIT2: my original claim of ~$300 per Gh/s was wrong, and I apologize. It was based on some of the comments in the referenced thread, not on what Tycho officially stated or restated.

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Quote from: ice_chill on September 05, 2012, 03:34:23 AM

I'm wondering if I should hold on to 1 BFL Single incase they develop something interesting to do with it later on.

Coffee warmer at 80W? Tongue

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I'm wondering if I should hold on to 1 BFL Single incase they develop something interesting to do with it later on.

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Quote from: Unacceptable on September 05, 2012, 12:19:23 AM

Quote from: fortyniner on September 04, 2012, 06:30:53 PM

I did the math:

BTCFPGA bASIC $1069.99 ÷ 27GH = $39.63/GH
1 year warranty
projected to ship in November/December of 2012

BFL Single 'SC' $1299.00 ÷ 40GH = $32.48/GH
6 month warranty
projected to ship in October of 2012

but yes, competition is good.

Looking good cablepair Grin

Price is spot on with BFL,or close enough for me & the warranty is great Wink

Now will he be offering the buyback (trade in) like BFL does??? He was talking about it,If so,then a really great deal for his old customer base too Cool

BFL can more easily account for their trade-in value since it apparently has the higher perforamnce Stratix III chips. And maybe they will finally use those to develop the other products that they seem to imply existing, but yet don't seem to exist going by the dead links on their website:

e.g. http://www.butterflylabs.com/drivers/

1.Computational research
2.Medical imaging
3.Packet integrity verification
4.Generic fingerprinting engine

If they don't exist, they should remove those link, imo. It feels like an attempt to create a better impression of the company than actual accomplishments.

Anyway, BFL Singles doubled in price from FPGA to ASIC. This bASIC 27GH product will be the same price as the older FPGA product. But still the price is higher than BFL pound for pound.

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