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mrb
legendary
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February 28, 2013, 03:50:28 AM
#91
Here's the policy clarification again:

http://www.butterflylabs.com/products/

The initial orders will be grouped into a batch prior to shipment.  This will ensure no one is an unfair beneficiary of disproportionate hashing power.  Having said this, we only have so much production capacity and the initial order group will still do very very well.  That being the case, here are the rules we will stick to in releasing these units.

1/3rd of the units will go in order priority of purchase date.
1/3rd of the units will go to trade in customers.
1/3rd of the units will go to random orders placed in the first month (6/23 - 7/23).

Both priority customers and trade in customers may benefit from random selection prior to their natural shipping order.


Refunds and charge backs:  All sales are final unless we fail to perform.  That includes both performance and shipping targets.  60 days past target and we'll happily refund your purchase.  If you would really like a refund anyway, just ask and we'll probably be able to take care of you.  Nonetheless, we reserve the right to handle it on a case by case basis.

Just quoting this for reference. I wonder why BFL deleted this post.
hero member
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
September 20, 2012, 01:37:51 PM
#90
IF  im not mistaken, their 1/3 rule is only for the first month orders. Which I think is okay. Now, after the first month orders, its obvious that, upgrade or not, each  order should be delivered as they come in..
legendary
Activity: 952
Merit: 1000
September 20, 2012, 12:52:53 PM
#89
We have absolutely no plans to raise the price after the pre-order phase.  I'm having trouble envisioning a scenario where we would do that.
Josh, understanding that you don't have to say anything at all, in light of all this recent brou-haha over past fraud by officers of BFL, can we get an update on ASIC production, maybe some photos, specs... something to calm the masses ?
I don't care that the masses say, as long as I get my Singles. Tongue
legendary
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Christian Antkow
September 20, 2012, 12:49:01 PM
#88
We have absolutely no plans to raise the price after the pre-order phase.  I'm having trouble envisioning a scenario where we would do that.

 Josh, understanding that you don't have to say anything at all, in light of all this recent brou-haha over past fraud by officers of BFL, can we get an update on ASIC production, maybe some photos, specs... something to calm the masses ?
member
Activity: 78
Merit: 10
September 19, 2012, 05:21:50 PM
#87
We have absolutely no plans to raise the price after the pre-order phase.  I'm having trouble envisioning a scenario where we would do that.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
September 18, 2012, 03:17:57 PM
#86
Not that anyone has heard yet.  If anything the price of ASIC units will go down over time as difficulty rises due to much reduced ROI. Luckily for the ASIC companies, once the chips are set the cost per chip is trivial.

Avalon is going from $1299 preorder to $1999 standard.
hero member
Activity: 535
Merit: 500
September 18, 2012, 02:47:42 PM
#85
No way, prices are going to plummet due to insignificant incremental cost to produce units after development.

This is pure economics. The small units will become 8 GH as they just slap on twice as many chips and they will be the same price.

The only problem is once this price war starts it's a race to the bottom. Hopefully we will find a market equilibrium and then things will settle.

Buying in the middle somewhere is where most people can get hurt depending on how quickly the price drop occurs in relation to difficulty increase and BTC market price.
hero member
Activity: 560
Merit: 500
September 18, 2012, 11:02:44 AM
#84
No where really.

I thought demand will out grow supply & we will have jacked up prices to bear, if this is not the case I am happy.
legendary
Activity: 952
Merit: 1000
September 18, 2012, 11:00:52 AM
#83
Hi All,

Does any one know when does BFL stop taking per-orders, any approximate date? 

I am trying to gather funds by next month to place per-order for few BFL Jalapeno's. Would like to have Idea about cut off time for per-orders.

Ashitank
I don't think there will ever be a point when they stop taking orders.  It'll be either a pre-order, a back-order, or an order.  When you have funds, you'll be able to do one of the three.
Yes I understand that, but My question relates to expiry of Pr-orders of Jalapeno in sense change from per-order to normal order will change cost of unit from 149$ to --> $? , so wanted place per-order before price changes from that of per-order price to normal order increased price.
Hmmm... this is the first I've heard of the price changing after pre-orders are up.  Where did you read/hear about the price changing after preorders are done?
I'm curious too. I've never heard anything of a price drop...
legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1005
September 18, 2012, 10:38:22 AM
#82
Hi All,

Does any one know when does BFL stop taking per-orders, any approximate date? 

I am trying to gather funds by next month to place per-order for few BFL Jalapeno's. Would like to have Idea about cut off time for per-orders.

Ashitank
I don't think there will ever be a point when they stop taking orders.  It'll be either a pre-order, a back-order, or an order.  When you have funds, you'll be able to do one of the three.

Yes I understand that, but My question relates to expiry of Pr-orders of Jalapeno in sense change from per-order to normal order will change cost of unit from 149$ to --> $? , so wanted place per-order before price changes from that of per-order price to normal order increased price.
Hmmm... this is the first I've heard of the price changing after pre-orders are up.  Where did you read/hear about the price changing after preorders are done?
legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1000
I owe my soul to the Bitcoin code...
September 18, 2012, 08:21:23 AM
#81
Not that anyone has heard yet.  If anything the price of ASIC units will go down over time as difficulty rises due to much reduced ROI. Luckily for the ASIC companies, once the chips are set the cost per chip is trivial.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
September 18, 2012, 04:50:50 AM
#80
Is the price changing after pre orders? Higher or lower?
hero member
Activity: 560
Merit: 500
September 18, 2012, 04:44:30 AM
#79
Hi All,

Does any one know when does BFL stop taking per-orders, any approximate date? 

I am trying to gather funds by next month to place per-order for few BFL Jalapeno's. Would like to have Idea about cut off time for per-orders.

Ashitank
I don't think there will ever be a point when they stop taking orders.  It'll be either a pre-order, a back-order, or an order.  When you have funds, you'll be able to do one of the three.

Yes I understand that, but My question relates to expiry of Pr-orders of Jalapeno in sense change from per-order to normal order will change cost of unit from 149$ to --> $? , so wanted place per-order before price changes from that of per-order price to normal order increased price.
legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1005
September 18, 2012, 04:03:52 AM
#78
Hi All,

Does any one know when does BFL stop taking per-orders, any approximate date? 

I am trying to gather funds by next month to place per-order for few BFL Jalapeno's. Would like to have Idea about cut off time for per-orders.

Ashitank
I don't think there will ever be a point when they stop taking orders.  It'll be either a pre-order, a back-order, or an order.  When you have funds, you'll be able to do one of the three.
hero member
Activity: 560
Merit: 500
September 18, 2012, 03:33:35 AM
#77
Hi All,

Does any one know when does BFL stop taking per-orders, any approximate date? 

I am trying to gather funds by next month to place per-order for few BFL Jalapeno's. Would like to have Idea about cut off time for per-orders.

Ashitank
full member
Activity: 124
Merit: 100
September 13, 2012, 03:23:29 PM
#76
I feel kinda screwed about having to wait a couple months while people are bringing up the threat level because they just got in early. Thus destroying the reason I bought the machine. To make money.  It's just greedy. It's a pre-order. All units should be shipped at the same time. I'm paying just as much money as everyone else. This is utter BS.  If it was weeks I'd understand. But we're talking months.  This is bad for anyone who has ordered within the last month or so. Again, utter B-S

QQ moar

Just voicing my opinion bro. It is what it is. I said my piece. Had to get it off my chest. I aint cryin. Just had to get that off my chest.  If they keep their schedule then we won't have a problem.  Just get em out don't make me wait months and we're cool.
sr. member
Activity: 272
Merit: 250
Cryptopreneur
September 13, 2012, 12:57:29 PM
#75
There is plenty of competition cropping up. I wouldn't worry so much. BFL seems to be making a real effort to improve. I think they know they are doomed if they don't start acting like a real company.
hero member
Activity: 868
Merit: 500
September 13, 2012, 10:13:59 AM
#74
Or dont order and take your business elsewhere!
legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1005
September 13, 2012, 10:00:36 AM
#73
I feel kinda screwed about having to wait a couple months while people are bringing up the threat level because they just got in early. Thus destroying the reason I bought the machine. To make money.  It's just greedy. It's a pre-order. All units should be shipped at the same time. I'm paying just as much money as everyone else. This is utter BS.  If it was weeks I'd understand. But we're talking months.  This is bad for anyone who has ordered within the last month or so. Again, utter B-S
LOL, then you should have ordered earlier, eh?

Life isn't fair.  Deal with it.
hero member
Activity: 826
Merit: 1000
September 13, 2012, 09:58:20 AM
#72
I feel kinda screwed about having to wait a couple months while people are bringing up the threat level because they just got in early. Thus destroying the reason I bought the machine. To make money.  It's just greedy. It's a pre-order. All units should be shipped at the same time. I'm paying just as much money as everyone else. This is utter BS.  If it was weeks I'd understand. But we're talking months.  This is bad for anyone who has ordered within the last month or so. Again, utter B-S

Ordering 1 month before someone else doesn't necessarily mean that it will be a month longer for them to get it.  It just means that they have as many orders to go through that were put in that month before it gets to them.
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