Topic: [BFL CHIPS] Group-Purchase :: 100 Chips ordered 6.16.2013 (Read 6580 times)

FYI:

eBay BFL 8 chip buyitnow
$35.88 per chip, you would need to get all 8 + $8 shipping.

Or, eBay BFL 1 chip buyitnow
$37 per chip, + $5 shipping.

From what I've seen on the forum - chips are probably binned - 15 or 16 engines per chip.

EDIT: corrected hyperlinks 2 times!

Garr also did not pay the other half of the chips till mid September, which BTC had moved up a bit.

I only want justified compensation. I do think Garr dropped the ball on the group buy, though that doesn't "entitle" us to compensation, but if Garr keeps a profit, or hedges his personal losses on customer money when he did not pursue getting the late chips delivered. The usefulness of these chips is uncertain at best, a total loss at the worst.

Unfortunately Garr is the only one in this group buy that has the shipment facts.

If Garr is willing to post all of the facts concerning the Group Buy, I would be appreciative.


If all I can get is some hashrate compensation, then I guess that is better than nothing.

Well, I'm gonna stop arguing the matter.  Right or wrong it's not worth the ugly feeling I get from it.  I've accepted that I'm stuck with the chips.

I've started a thread to try to find a use for them:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/who-else-has-65nm-bfl-chips-on-hand-336300

You said you received that tracking number well over a month ago.  How is it that you no longer have it?

I can go into my email right now and find the tracking numbers for my shipments from BFL.  They sent me a "Your order has been shipped!" email each time with the tracking number in it.



I would have kept the box myself, knowing how things were in dispute like this.



That just shows that a label was generated.  The service type, date, and features do match what I would expect.

I still don't understand how an overweight/underpayment situation could have happened given that Priority Mail costs appear to go up in 8 oz increments, and the shipment was 4.02 oz, with the label being electronically generated and paid.



Indeed, the BFL website is also broken for me in this way at the moment.



I don't feel like you did your job well.  You let the situation sit for "a few weeks" and did nothing to fix it, you say because you were afraid of Josh.  You also did not inform us participants of this until after the fact.

As for selling the chips at a loss, I can go to http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/ and look up the exchange rate at the time of the BTC-denominated purchase of 55 chips, which was on 04-September-2013 20:58.  The mtgox price looks to be around $135, and the btc-e price about $118.  Having paid 27 BTC for 55 chips, that would be $66.27 or $57.92 per chip.

I don't think we're going to be able to agree on a settlement on our own.  I propose again that we ask John K. if he will judge the matter for us for a fee, and agree to abide by his decision if he agrees to perform the service.

I called BFL asking for both tracking numbers from these shipments this morning, I expect they'll get back to me Monday with them.

I never got a tracking number for this shipment, they just showed up without notice and I did not record it from the box. (Do you usually record tracking numbers of received items? I don't, and I apologize if that's something you expected.)

9407 4036 9930 0005 5877 80

I cannot get to the "order details" page, BFL's site just redirects me to the list of orders when I try to click on the link for the details for any one of them. BFL will be able to confirm this because it is their website after all.

Please keep in mind, I have done my job as per it's description and have resent you the chips in a timely manner after I received them. BFL is aware that you are the recipient of the order and you can do your best to get a refund from them. I actually lost money when selling you those chips, for ~$45 each was it at the current exchange rate at the time?

I will be here to help you figure this situation out, but do not feel that I am obliged to aid you in seeking compensation from BFL's late delivery, so please stop treating the situation as if that is so.

I talked with Mr Teal and he said he would need about 1000 BFL chips to run a third batch of Chilis.

Garr has 100 chips
This group buy is another 100 chips

Unless Garr can get BFL to send us another 200 chips to compensate for the delayed shipping then I don't think we can get anything done with our chips. We will still need to post on the Chili thread to try and round up the other 60% of chips

Anyone have any other suggestions?

I would really like to see all of the shipping information too.

Please re-read the information I am requesting.

^ I want that tracking number.

^ The tracking number from that shipment.  It should be printed on the shipping label that was affixed to the box of chips you received.

^ And that one.

^ And also that screenshot.

Why is it that you cannot produce these 4 items?

I spoke with Lloyd Miller today, and explained to him the situation with BFL. I have emailed and called BFL asking for the shipping label number so I can prove that they shipped when they did. Lloyd told me that the producer of the PCBs he wants to use will only do a production run if he gets 300+ chips together, and not many people bought these chips so he is having trouble arranging it.

I am going to keep pushing BFL to send more chips as compensation for the late delivery.

So Garr255, do you have anything to say for yourself?  It's been a while since you posted.

I'm still waiting to receive the requested information.

No... never. Learn the lesson and pass it on. DO NOT BUY FROM BFL.

Having arrived home I weighed the shipment.  It comes to 4.02 oz.  I don't see how an overweight/insufficient postage situation could have occurred.  The USPS Priority shipping rates seems to go in 8 oz increments.  USPS Priority being the shipping method I requested.

I just now received a shipment containing the chips.  Checking the tracking number shown on the label indicates that the shipment was accepted by USPS on 12-November.

Not that this settles the matter.  I still want the information requested above to verify the story given.  Then I can think about how to settle things.

I also need to see the tracking info that Bogart is requesting.

I do want some sort of compensation, but I would much rather just a direct refund of bitcoin.

According to Mr Teal:

Seems like Garr could have had this issue taken care of well over a month ago. Garr, did you bother to check on the progress of other group-buyers? It looks like you would not even of had to deal with Inaba in any of this.

Everyone knows that Josh/Inaba is a giant dick.  You'll receive no argument there.  However, to think that he could or would cancel an order just because a customer inquired about it seems like a stretch.  My other chip seller called about his order, and his call resulted in almost-timely shipment.

In retrospect, cancellation of the order would have been the best outcome for all of us.  

IMO, when the order became past-due and you were faced with the decision of whether to call them on it or not, you should have informed us stakeholders and allowed us to weigh-in with our opinions instead of making the decision on your own and keeping us in the dark, assuring us that they would ship soon.

I'm also not sure whether I even believe your story.  Before I consider any kind of settlement I need to see some proof that what you say is true.

I think the best proof that you can offer is to give the tracking numbers of the shipments involved.  That includes all tracking numbers given to you by BFL -- those that resulted in a shipment and those that did not.  Also the tracking number for my shipment of chips that was returned to you for insufficient postage.

I also want a screenshot of the BFL order page showing the chip order, the shipment date if shown, and any notes, tracking information, or other details shown.

No offense meant by the above.  It's just that your reluctance to provide me with the tracking number for my own shipment despite my numerous requests has aroused my suspicion.

Bogart, in response to your asking why I didn't deal with BFL more aggressively, is because I learned that Inaba has a terrible attitude or possibly an ego problem that makes him feel the need to threaten to cancel the orders I have placed with him, regardless whether I paid with personal funds or others' funds. That is my reason for the hesitance in pestering BFL regarding the order.

This entire ordeal hasn't gone as smoothly as any of us would have liked, especially with BFL being so late on delivery and then a number of my first batch of reshipment being sent back for insufficient postage, which is entirely my fault for not properly compensating for weight of the packages. Bogart and Lloydmiler4 are the two participants that were effected by this and I will offer you each the equivalent BTC of 2 weeks of output for the hashrate you purchased from me, this overcompensated for the downtime cause by my delay. I apologize for not resolving this issue sooner, I have been out of the country and unable to see that this was done properly so I hope you can forgive me for this.

Best,
Garrett

Never-mind, it turns out only a shipping label was made last night.


Who did Garr ship the chips to?

I still didn't receive any.  When does yours indicate shipment was made?

Well, I finally received the tracking information last night. I guess this is after you saw the scam accusation and wanted to cover your ass...

You are acting as far more than a mere 'messenger' when you run a group buy...
I still want proof of BFL's tracking information to you, both your private purchase and the purchase with this group buy. Just be transparent with us, Bogart and I don't truly know what happened, only you do. We only know that we have been screwed about 65% of the value we sent you. You should be the one compensating us as you work out whatever problems you had with BFL on your own time. And I know you are profiting off this group buy which is just salt in the wound.

I still think you were too busy with other parts of your life, which isn't really an excuse when dealing with other people's money.

Also, why won't you refund me my Avalon chip purchase from you? I've sent everything you needed to refund me multiple times...