Topic: BFL: Do not donate any money to charity (Read 2066 times)

Right here.

Whoever smoothzzz is...he/she is on his/her own.

BFL is full of shite btw...if you ordered from them, you have my sympathy.

Really, that's the best you can do smoothzzz? Where is Frizz and creativex when you need them.

The most likely outcome is that BFL overpromised and underdelivers. The crushing load of pre-order obligations will meet the reality of chips that run too hot under the additional pressure of lost opportunity cost as competitors deliver and network hash rate skyrockets towards 200 TH/s.  The lucky ones will get devices that run too slow, too hot or blow up.  The unlucky ones, aka those that preordered after the first month or two, will probably get nothing, as the ponzi funding stream runs dry and BFL runs out of sufficient capital to design and burn another mask for a chip that comes close to spec, company goes into liquidation. At best you will get a rig that is fraction of what was promised in a timeframe that will have seen 90% of the potential revenue from your rig go to customers of Avalon, ASICminer, and any other ASIC designer that actually built a product.  

Most startups fail, this is the nature of capitalism and competition.  If you bet on the BFL horse, its probably time to write off your loss, move on with life and hopefully develop a better horseshit detector for the next bitcoin wannabes that come asking for your money (cough, coinlab).

 

my question is why is this forum still advertising so diligently for BFL?  BFL probably runs this forum.  the new footage of the dude doing tests isn't convincing to me, we're talking about 10,000 rigs oor some crazy number 30,000.  I want to see footage of that.  that and his hand holding the camera had a nervous shake.  

maybe I'm wrong.  but if this forum is going to advertise a scam, they should be held responsible when it turns out to be a scam.  afterall probably 90% of BFL customers got there to BFL from the forum advertisements.  I would just ask that the forum stop advertising unless BFL provides hard proof that they are doing what they are claiming. (NOT HARD TO DO NOR AN UNREASONAbLE REQUEST)  

I'm talking a simple youtube video of all the people involved with all the equipment they're working on.  just a little "hello" for the public.  otherwise advertising for them is irresponsible in my opinion based on their 140 days of false promises.  

just because there's a youtube video out now of a dude working on a BFL board and talking about its specs gives me no confidence.  since I saw joshes youtube videos I haven't trusted BFL because his vibe just turns me off, he reminds me of scammers I know...  

people are like, "you will destroy your reputation for naysaying his royal highness josh zertan."  

I don't care, its a candid valid concern for our entire community.  forum, stop the advertising, or deliver proof its not a scam.  I guess if the forum sees the product with their own eyes that's good enough.  after all the forum is run by BFL, so their eyes are fine for confirming public trust.  I am just speculating what sort of blow this might have on the BTC economy cuz the pirate thing was only 6 mil, this is over 100 mil.

may I ask is there any thread that definitively proves or disproves that BFL is a royal heist?  please direct me.  and I will shut up about it if there is proof they aren't scammin.  thank you.

So I just found this thread and all I can say to OP is.....LOL 

OP, you Sir are an idiot.

Wow.

There are so many mealy-mouthed, slippery, slimy scumbags out there.  They can justify any kind of behavior with the weakest of rationalizations.

@OP- Lol, do you realize how big of an asshole you sound like "DON'T DONATE ANY MONEY TO CHARITY"....

Charities do good things for people who need help...

Wrong
The date: as soon as they ship.

after team basic .....

Nothing. But when i see someone claiming unfair forces by adding additional parameters i chime in.

Sebastian.....

















How much is BFL paying you?

The bet didnt include any time promise.

Anyone who believes that BFL is actually going to donate that amount of BTC to charity under any circumstances, please see my thread in the auction forum, I'm currently accepting bids on the Brooklyn Bridge.

what beta? they promised to ship long time ago...
force? BFL has advertised with the donation

If one would force them to pay 1000BTC when they deliver a beta-version of the miner?

so they can ship the final version in 10 years?  WTF??

If that would be the case, i in bfls foot, would simply deny to send out machines earlier if that would lead to such a huge loss of money. Then let the buyers complain that they would like to have the high power units. This way the promise isnt broken. I dont think thats the better version that could happen.
On the other hand... if the buyer wants it before, they know that its not the fully working product and cant claim afterwards that the promise is broken because they knew they demanded a non-finished product.

This. But I dont agree with the last half. If they ship anything at all over the 10% power consumption, then I feel they're obligated to pay. It doesn't matter if customers wanted it that way or not. If they deliver any product outside specs they promised, then they should pay IMO.

It seems to come down to that you claim they have to deliver now the promised product. But that wasnt part of the promise. They only said they will have such a device that will use this power only. You cant add the parameter that they have to deliver now otherwise they fail. In my opinion they still have time to meet the promise.
But i think we wont come together at this point.

You don't see the moral issue here?

Salesman 1:"i will be building a car that has 100hp"
Salesman 2: "i will be building a car that has 200hp"
Salesman 1: "my car also has 200hp now"
Salesman 2: "my 200hp car does 30 miles per gallon"
Salesman 1: "my 200hp car does 50 miles per gallon, and i'm so confident of those figures i'll donate $100,00 to charity if it doesn't match up"
Salesman 2: "my car is finished, here it is, as promised, 200hp, and 30 miles per gallon"
Salesman 1: "my car doesn't run right, and i don't know why, it only has 100hp and does 40 miles per gallon, but don't worry, we'll just send you 2, that adds up to 200hp. Also, i'm not donating anything to charity because there's a possiblity in the future i might be able to build a car that has 200hp and does 50 miles per gallon, and some loser on a forum said it was ok to lie to get sales.


Yes, yes they did. Right fucking here.
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/content/123-bfl-offers-1000-btc-charity-if-they-miss-their-power-targets.html

They specifically said they would be max 1.1 watts. Also, saying everyone had 9 months to cancel their order when we just found out a few days ago that the units are broken is just plain dumb.