BFL is keeping a portion of first batch chips for their own mining farm

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Quote from: Inaba on March 25, 2013, 12:12:36 AM

Please, by all means, point out where I've lied. I have posted incontrovertible proof that you have lied numerous times and supplied links to your lies. You have yet to provide a single, solitary link to anything I've supposedly "lied" about... but that's just one more lie you've made. Out of the hundreds or thousands you've posted now, what's one more, right?

Sorry man but your fucking up big time. You have a great deal of customers waiting for a long time for whatever you are selling and to keep some chips off the table to satisfy your needs is just plain ugly. You need to put your customers first.

Damn It! You need to empathize with your customers. You do realize that your paying customers are feeling the same need to mine as you do. They are the reason why you have those chips. To take them off the table is stealing their funding of research and applying them to your needs.

Time to man up and put the needs of your customers over your own.

I hope you can understand that Josh.

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Hey Josh, seriously man, I'm new to the Bitcoin scene and I don't know you from Adam. But the fact that the company you work for has been constantly missing product ship dates... I dunno, looks shady as hell. I'd love to order a Single, but man, why not post some kind of proof BFL actually has a product they are testing? If you are actually testing pre-release hardware, show everyone and shut them up. This whole fiasco reminds me of the Infinium Labs/Phantom console debacle.

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Quote from: Inaba on March 25, 2013, 12:12:36 AM

Please, by all means, point out where I've lied. I have posted incontrovertible proof that you have lied numerous times and supplied links to your lies. You have yet to provide a single, solitary link to anything I've supposedly "lied" about... but that's just one more lie you've made. Out of the hundreds or thousands you've posted now, what's one more, right?

For once, without being an a-hole, could you give some sort of update on the damn product?

I had been thinking about purchasing from your company if/when you ship, but all I see you do is poorly represent your company. Why would I buy from you? You won't tell anyone when these ASICs will be ready, but instead pick on them and dox their houses. I understand you have bad history with a lot of these people but when I google "BFL ASIC scam" ....a common type of search potential customers will do.... the first hit links to a bitcointalk thread where you come off as a dick. There more one searches here the more you and your company's reputation is cemented. And no, I won't use the BFL forums. If I don't know if i can trust your company/product, I won't trust your controlled forum. Hence the utility of third part forums such as this.

Take over the conversations by being honest, respectful, and informational and you will every time.

So, convince me to become a customer.

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Josh, you really don't understand why these people are angry with you? Keep the chips, don't keep the chips. It won't really matter. Eventually, you and those greedy inept clowns you work with will get sorted out when the attorney general and the USPS comes knocking on your door for wire fraud.

BTW, just in case anyone else needs it - here is a link to the Kansas AG's website where you can file a complaint and request a consumer protection investigation: http://ag.ks.gov/contact-us/file-a-complaint

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Please, by all means, point out where I've lied. I have posted incontrovertible proof that you have lied numerous times and supplied links to your lies. You have yet to provide a single, solitary link to anything I've supposedly "lied" about... but that's just one more lie you've made. Out of the hundreds or thousands you've posted now, what's one more, right?

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Quote from: gmaxwell on March 24, 2013, 11:58:51 PM

Not hardware related. geesh.

Sorry about that. I think both posts ought to be removed in this food fight.

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Quote from: repentance on March 24, 2013, 11:56:43 PM

Quote from: Josh

The bottom line is, I have orders in for 4 Minirigs and 40+ singles. I will be taking, at most, 2 minirigs out of my orders from June 23rd, and I may not even be taking that if we don't have enough chips to satisfy a large amount of orders.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/1443-josh-taking-asics-batch-1-mine-his-own-mining-company-5.html#post20275

At this point he has been caught in so many lies that I wouldn't believe him if he said it was Friz.

If he says it (and if it were false) who would know the difference?

I just doubt what he says is true. A while back he said more than one blatant lie and he still went forward and said so. So I think that is personal proof that he is walking talking bullshit on legs.

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Now moving on, Yes, he confirmed he is taking 400 chips or about half a wafer. So there you go. Out of the mouth of Josh comes a confirmation about it.

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Not hardware related. geesh.

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Quote from: Josh

The bottom line is, I have orders in for 4 Minirigs and 40+ singles. I will be taking, at most, 2 minirigs out of my orders from June 23rd, and I may not even be taking that if we don't have enough chips to satisfy a large amount of orders.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/1443-josh-taking-asics-batch-1-mine-his-own-mining-company-5.html#post20275

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mmm Popcorn... Grin

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Quote from: Inaba on March 24, 2013, 11:07:28 PM

shithole hovel that he lives in

So how's that testing coming along ?

Sharpening up the sword to commit seppuku ?

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Quote from: Inaba on March 24, 2013, 11:07:28 PM

Quote from: repentance on March 24, 2013, 10:49:12 PM

Quote from: Fuzzy on March 24, 2013, 09:18:08 PM

Quote from: RHA on March 24, 2013, 06:57:36 PM

He was not working for BFL that time.

So, the thread title ("BFL is keeping...") is false and very misleading.

Quote from: Inaba on March 21, 2013, 12:08:09 PM

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3c. are any of these orders likely to be part of the 'first batch' shipment from BFL?

Some of them are, not all of them. The number that will be in the "first batch" is kind of up in the air at the moment, given the current disposition of our first batch. Since we have a limited number of available chips for the first batch, I will not, in good conscience, be taking a large swath of them.

Well, he works there now, and you can argue the difference between "taking" and "keeping", but the fact is, he gets to decide how many he wants to take. How many other customers get to decide, long after placing their order, how many they actually want? Just the guy that works there.

No other customer is going to be asked to take less than their total order (Giga ordered 4 Mini-rigs on day 1). Josh is in a fairly unique position in that he'd ordered by 26 June but people are going to be upset if he takes all units he upgraded out of the first batch. Josh is the only customer who's going to be expected to take less from Batch 1 than what he actually ordered.

I don't really have anything to add to this, other than what Repentance said. This is just one more lie from one Yajaira D Guevara, aka PueroLibre. If anyone else wants to step up and take a less devices than they've already ordered and paid for, then by all means speak up. Somehow, I suspect, I will be the only person in the world to take less BFL devices than they've already paid for by choice. All of my orders were placed on June 23rd.

What's really funny is Yajaira supposedly doesn't have a preorder with BFL, yet he's the most keen on the happenings of BFL. I wonder why that is? Basically everything that comes out of Yajaira's posts are lies. He's been caught in numerous lies and continues to spew them, but hey, whatever. Living in the that he lives in, I would be angry with the world, too.

Joshua R Zerlan
18400 Juniper Ter
Gardner, KS
Age: 35-39

http://www.411.com/name/Joshua-Zerlan/Kansas-City-MO
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=18400+Juniper+Ter+Gardner,+KS

Roll Eyes

P.S. Old data....etc etc

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Quote from: repentance on March 24, 2013, 10:49:12 PM

Quote from: Fuzzy on March 24, 2013, 09:18:08 PM

Quote from: RHA on March 24, 2013, 06:57:36 PM

He was not working for BFL that time.

So, the thread title ("BFL is keeping...") is false and very misleading.

Quote from: Inaba on March 21, 2013, 12:08:09 PM

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3c. are any of these orders likely to be part of the 'first batch' shipment from BFL?

Some of them are, not all of them. The number that will be in the "first batch" is kind of up in the air at the moment, given the current disposition of our first batch. Since we have a limited number of available chips for the first batch, I will not, in good conscience, be taking a large swath of them.

Well, he works there now, and you can argue the difference between "taking" and "keeping", but the fact is, he gets to decide how many he wants to take. How many other customers get to decide, long after placing their order, how many they actually want? Just the guy that works there.

No other customer is going to be asked to take less than their total order (Giga ordered 4 Mini-rigs on day 1). Josh is in a fairly unique position in that he'd ordered by 26 June but people are going to be upset if he takes all units he upgraded out of the first batch. Josh is the only customer who's going to be expected to take less from Batch 1 than what he actually ordered.

I don't really have anything to add to this, other than what Repentance said. This is just one more lie from one Yajaira D Guevara, aka PueroLibre. If anyone else wants to step up and take a less devices than they've already ordered and paid for, then by all means speak up. Somehow, I suspect, I will be the only person in the world to take less BFL devices than they've already paid for by choice. All of my orders were placed on June 23rd.

What's really funny is Yajaira supposedly doesn't have a preorder with BFL, yet he's the most keen on the happenings of BFL. I wonder why that is? Basically everything that comes out of Yajaira's posts are lies. He's been caught in numerous lies and continues to spew them, but hey, whatever. Living in the shithole hovel that he lives in, I would be angry with the world, too.

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Josh and giga get the first minirigs? It's like a scammer celebration...has pirate been notified? Cheesy

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Quote from: Fuzzy on March 24, 2013, 09:18:08 PM

Quote from: RHA on March 24, 2013, 06:57:36 PM

He was not working for BFL that time.

So, the thread title ("BFL is keeping...") is false and very misleading.

Quote from: Inaba on March 21, 2013, 12:08:09 PM

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3c. are any of these orders likely to be part of the 'first batch' shipment from BFL?

Some of them are, not all of them. The number that will be in the "first batch" is kind of up in the air at the moment, given the current disposition of our first batch. Since we have a limited number of available chips for the first batch, I will not, in good conscience, be taking a large swath of them.

Well, he works there now, and you can argue the difference between "taking" and "keeping", but the fact is, he gets to decide how many he wants to take. How many other customers get to decide, long after placing their order, how many they actually want? Just the guy that works there.

No other customer is going to be asked to take less than their total order (Giga ordered 4 Mini-rigs on day 1). Josh is in a fairly unique position in that he'd ordered by 26 June but people are going to be upset if he takes all units he upgraded out of the first batch. Josh is the only customer who's going to be expected to take less from Batch 1 than what he actually ordered.

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on March 24, 2013, 08:37:11 PM

Quote from: RHA on March 24, 2013, 06:57:36 PM

This thread is simply FUD.

Josh made the IPO of BFLS.RIG in June and ordered part of Minirigs SC in June and another part in July.
He was not working for BFL that time.

He started his work for BFL in August and he clearly stated he wouldn't expand the mining farm (buying additional ASIC devices) apart of fulfilling his obligations (getting what was pre-ordered as an upgrade to replace existing Minirigs and Singles).
He is not going to the start of the queue, he has to wait for his orders' numbers/dates to be ready, like everyone else has. What was cited in OP (Some of them are, not all of them. ...) just confirmed this.
So, the thread title ("BFL is keeping...") is false and very misleading.

Another thing: BFLS.RIG is quite small enterprise - most of the machines in the farm belong to other people (e.g. six rigs are Dark Ice's) and are only hosted by Josh, many of them temporarily. Inaba's part (real BFLS.RIG) is quite smaller.

Where in the queue do you honestly believe Josh is positioned?

Front
Middle
Back

I have a ~~quarter~~ clue, but I'll wait to hear from others before I announce my guess.

RHA,

An authoritative answer....considering you don't even know nor seem to have inside knowledge.

So go ahead, tell us what the order numbers are and how many there are...?

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Christian Antkow

This is a blatant and outright conflict of interest.

In a professional organization, Josh would be instantly fired for doing something like this.

Given that BFL is run by a convicted felon, should it really surprise anyone that one of his underlings is operating with questionable ethics as well ?

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Quote from: RHA on March 24, 2013, 06:57:36 PM

He was not working for BFL that time.

So, the thread title ("BFL is keeping...") is false and very misleading.

Quote from: Inaba on March 21, 2013, 12:08:09 PM

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3c. are any of these orders likely to be part of the 'first batch' shipment from BFL?

Some of them are, not all of them. The number that will be in the "first batch" is kind of up in the air at the moment, given the current disposition of our first batch. Since we have a limited number of available chips for the first batch, I will not, in good conscience, be taking a large swath of them.

Well, he works there now, and you can argue the difference between "taking" and "keeping", but the fact is, he gets to decide how many he wants to take. How many other customers get to decide, long after placing their order, how many they actually want? Just the guy that works there.

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Neat. A thread with people who think that BFL has ASICs.

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Quote from: RHA on March 24, 2013, 06:57:36 PM

This thread is simply FUD.

Josh made the IPO of BFLS.RIG in June and ordered part of Minirigs SC in June and another part in July.
He was not working for BFL that time.

He started his work for BFL in August and he clearly stated he wouldn't expand the mining farm (buying additional ASIC devices) apart of fulfilling his obligations (getting what was pre-ordered as an upgrade to replace existing Minirigs and Singles).
He is not going to the start of the queue, he has to wait for his orders' numbers/dates to be ready, like everyone else has. What was cited in OP (Some of them are, not all of them. ...) just confirmed this.
So, the thread title ("BFL is keeping...") is false and very misleading.

Another thing: BFLS.RIG is quite small enterprise - most of the machines in the farm belong to other people (e.g. six rigs are Dark Ice's) and are only hosted by Josh, many of them temporarily. Inaba's part (real BFLS.RIG) is quite smaller.

Where in the queue do you honestly believe Josh is positioned?

Front
Middle
Back

I have a ~~quarter~~ clue, but I'll wait to hear from others before I announce my guess.

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