Topic: BFL was a SCAM from the beginning -EXT HDD case being sold as a miner in 2011. - page 2. (Read 4451 times)

BCP19, nice to see you over here... (my mersenneforum join date was 2002; I've seen you around )

It's great that you evaluated the situation and decided to get into the ASIC mining arena with eyes open. It's true that it isn't appropriate for xian01 to judge your due diligence based on either your post history or your BFL purchase decision.

BUT, given that by June of this year (probably by february of this year) it was clear that Jalepeño orders would never recover their initial investment and would be at an operating loss by late 2013, AND given that the vast, vast majority of newish posters with recent BFL orders have demonstrated ignorance of that fact, xian01's inference was fairly rational absent additional information. You had of course provided that information in an earlier post, but I assume he missed that.

And of course xian01's comments are not directed at you as individual, but at you as a representative of a group of people he thinks got scammed, and should be interpreted that way.

Anyway, I know it never works to step into an exchange like this but I recognized your username and was in a mood to pipe up.

 ... in the same way the Monarchs are dead-on-arrival, and won't ROI at all if history is an indicator of Butterfly Labs' dependability ?

 Again, low-blow and completely out-of-line attack as the problems with Avalon are beyond the control off Bicknellski.

 IMO Bick' should be applauded for his transparently proactive way of dealing with his customers/investors, and issuing refunds expeditiously when requested.

Of course this does not go for all the anti-BFL tools popping up in the last months. Still, funny to see most of them not being able to bring anything other than what they already brought.
Name:    CrashX
Date Registered:    July 30, 2013, 03:05:47 AM
Name:    scambutterflylabs
Date Registered:    June 01, 2013, 04:41:39 AM
Name:    millsdmb
Date Registered:    July 28, 2013, 04:47:49 AM
etcetera..
a bunch of shill shill shill shouters, a repetitive clown posting loads of random and dead links, some fools even cheering the dead links without actually checking them, idiot Bicknellski that couldn't see from an inch away at the Big Mining Picture that his luckily failed asic joke would not make the money back for the paper box it would come in. Boycott BFL! boycott BFL!, but keep showing your face in every BFL thread, "Warning: Trade with extreme caution!" Really, rockyracoon or thelostdutchman with only scams frauds thefts and lies on his menu that even played a prostitute online? The matriarchal Racoon can be really proud on you. lol, role on folks 
 

I quite thoroughly did my research, thank you.  I bought 1... yes, OH EN EE, one Jalapeno and I made that purchase after a lot of thought and research.  *I* did not make a purchase thinking I was getting rich, *I* did not make a purchase expecting to get it in 2 months when they had not even started shipping in earnest.  *I* knew up front I was buying a coffee-mug warmer and that it was going to be more novelty than money-maker.  *I* even knew going into my purchase that there was likely to be close to 5 or 6 PETAHASH of product ordered ahead of me.  Hence why I used my paypal account to make a purchase of just over $300 and didn't touch my hard-earned BTC.

The difference here is that between you and I, I have probably lived on this earth 2-3 times as long as you have.  I can remember the service stations having Gas Wars and the price of gasoline dropping to $.17.  I remember watching man taking the first step onto the moon... LIVE.  I have spent my time barely able to feed and clothe myself so that my children could have what I denied myself.

I quite well understand market research and I predicted today back in May.  I knew then that Difficulty was headed WELL north of 100million, it was just a matter of time.  If BFL had had a better supply chain, that day would have already passed.

So spare me your purile nonsense.  You have no clue as to what you speak.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2796548

"I myself didn't order until June of this year, and unlike the majority of people I see whining, I am content to wait as I know they are in production and I will get what I paid for."

 It goes without saying that we can safely assume you did not research your purchase ahead of time on these forums.
 
 Understand that many of us have been following the sordid tale of Butterfly Labs much longer than you have. It would serve you well to research the anecdotes on these forums before disparaging the wisdom here.

Further Proof!

Sonny Vleisides used the same exact approach to scam Laissez Faire City investors, the elderly with his lottery scheme, and his sportsbook schemes.

Luckily, Sonny's trying to be on a good track now.

Is that how you treat people in real life when you encounter them for the first time?

So, dump ass, notice that the sidewalk is wide enough for both of us?

So, dump ass, noticed you just left church. Did you talk to God today?

So, dump ass, noticed you talking to them guys that are not your color. Learn any new words while in their court?

With the exception of Josh (maybe Zhou), I've yet to resort to jumping into a thread to solely name call, then leave. Half the shit I say about Josh is just banter, while the other half I mean, leaving it up to the reading to figure out which half applies.

I quite well understand, you ASSUME short time poster = clueless noob.  I'm sure you already know what happens when you ASSUME.

People know this. The person posting the pictures knows this. His point was this: what BFL sells you does not resemble what you will actually receive. It's form factor will be different. It's power to generate bitcoins will be diminished because it is already 4 months late (feb 2014 intead of nov 2013). It will cost more to run because BFL's power estimates have been wildly optimistic to date.

Once again, talk about the products that actually shipped, not the  "were supposed to be" because you saw a little photo on a shopping cart page. There are plenty of reviews and real photos of what was shipped. The Bitforce Single was not a Jalapeno, it was an FPGA miner, it was not shipped in a hard drive case, it was shipped in an appropriate cube shaped black case similar to, but not identical to, what we now call a Jalapeno 5GH/s ASIC miner.

Re: huge wall of text

tl;dr

I was just pointing out that people that have only been around for a few months don't understand the full picture, and haven't given themselves ample enough time to get screwed by BFL- that's all.

"Oh look, he's only been here for 2 months cause that's when he joined, he's a wanna be fanboi!"

Don't strain yourself patting yourself on the back.  I've spent many months lurking on here, it's just that now when the realization sinks in that these little magic money making boxes WON'T make you millions that people have come out in droves crying.  Yes, I was late to the bitcoin party but I also spent 4 months reading and thinking before placing my order with BFL.  Then I spent more months reading and laughing, cause *I* knew what I was getting into when I purchased.  My computer runs 24/7 and I used to use my GPUs for GIMPS so I had a set energy cost already with $0 gain.  Now I'm up over 25 bitcoins and I have not spent 1 red cent more than I would have if I were still with GIMPS.  Case in point, my electric bills have actually gone down, because none of the CPU coins out currently tax the CPU as hard as GIMPS did. 

Everyone on this forum has their 'favorite company' to get behind and cheer for.  Pfft.  None of them will pay off unless the value of BTC rises, which it is likely to do.  People bring up the difficulty repeatedly during their whines about not getting their BFL products.  "*I'M* losing money!!!"  Bullshit.  I built a time/motion study based on BFL shipping on time last Oct and only producing 1 1.5TH mini rig per day for 60 days, adding 90TH to the network.  With the price of BTC at that time, you'd have heard the same thing then as you are hearing now, cause RoI would be rapidly dissappearing for all but the ones who bought 1st.  While not exactly accurate, http://bfl.ptz.ro/ paints a good picture.  I see 20.82TH from 'known' day 1 orders from the 49 listed on there.  1/3 of my time motion study from 'KNOWN' orders and there's potentially 3-6x more UNKNOWN!  Sorry to say, but if they had shipped on time, NO ONE WHO BOUGHT IN JULY OR LATER would make back the BTC spent.  The value has since risen, so those smart enough to hold onto their coins WOULD have profited, which is the same case as now.

All of you are freaking out over the water that has risen to your ankles, but from what I see, none of you are listening when I point out the Tsunami about to break over your asses.  Conservative estimates on my part indicate 10 PETAHASH or in excess of 1.2 BILLION difficulty by the end of Dec.  Admittedly this assumes BFL, Avalon, KnC, Cointerra, Etc, Etc, Etc, Etc all ship or put online as they state.

BFL is the main target becasue they took the bulk of these orders over the last 14 months.  Many people are now demanding refunds and buying from competitors, but the end result will still be the same.

Yea, BFL is shipping slow... but... imagine where the difficulty would be today if they HAD gotten their shit together and shipped everything last Oct/ Apr  / Jun... 

Hate to tell ya trollboy, *MY* eyes seem to be the only ones that are open here. 

I love all these yahoos that are defending BFL, notice how they've been around for less than 4 months.. some of them only 2. They have yet to be scammed by BFL, so just let them blow their hot air.

Make sure to report back to us on the success of your BFL orders and all those BTCs you made...  

If you go by pictures, the Jalapeno was supposed to be ~1/2 the height it is currently and the LS/Singles were supposed to use what is now the Jalapeno case.  Plans change dude, just cause concept = something that looks like an EXT-HDD and turns out different does not equal scam.

That's the point.  The picture has nothing to do with what was actually shipped.

I am telling you your picture has nothing to do with the unit that shipped. For all I know it could have been a place holder pic used by the web developer. You are grasping at straws. Look at the unit that actually shipped instead of pushing FUD like a troll.

There is not even a link to order on that page!

Your telling me that wasn't a Hard Drive case when BFL started? If you need a higher resolution of the site, ill be happy to upload it...

Full shot of that section.



Full shot of the site:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Hl2LpCbTs1A/UhSSTTbreBI/AAAAAAAAATQ/Czet6Cy0AoY/w1358-h849-no/BFL+began+as+a+scam+Proff.png

The Bitforce Single was not in a hard drive case, it has a case very similar to what the Jalapeno uses. It's is also an FPGA miner not an ASIC.

Here is a video of one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neHHrC3qgIE

Was the crappies CG design they have release since the new site came up.

   But still the External Hard Drive case looks worse