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Quote from: sunk818 on February 07, 2019, 06:54:26 PM

Why pog difficulty looks back 40 blocks only?

Wouldn't average of last forty blocks or going back 205 blocks take care of this issue?

It looks back 40 so that we can have more fair participation and chances per day for all, and also for performance reasons (a constant 40 block lookback is easier on the core).

When you say 'take care of this issue' what issue are you referring to?

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Why pog difficulty looks back 40 blocks only?

Wouldn't average of last forty blocks or going back 205 blocks take care of this issue?

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We could probably do a couple things in our next mandatory to make things easier on newbies, and future proof POG with less pog volatility....

We could change the max tithe amount to 5bbp (from 300) -- (this would allow thousands of small tithes per day each using up the coin age of the single coin-owner) meaning more people would fit in the daily pool before exhausting the tithe cap of the pool.

We could require a minimum of 1 day of coin-age at difficulty 0 (IE at diff 0, 1 day of coin age and a max of 5bbp per tithe). (And remember the 5bbp is descending, so at diff of 32000 the max would be 2.5 bbp).

As far as someone trying to hog a block despite owning a lot of coin age - (IE if someone tries to send in 25 tithes manually, they would use up all the coin age on 25 tx's) so that is not an attack vector.

I think these 2 things would enhance pog and make it relatively future proof. For now lets see how this goes over the next 30 days.

The system as-is still requires a user to have the coin-age first of all - so these things are not necessarily attacks - but currently allowing 300 bbp chunks means less maximum users in the pool per day - which is something we can improve on with the above I think.

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Quote from: sunk818 on February 07, 2019, 05:44:10 PM

Quote from: dave_bbp on February 07, 2019, 05:35:35 PM

Ah I see, thanks guys, now the "bankroll" went through. I thought the unlock for this was already covered by the PODC unlock you make at wallet startup.
Thank you rob for clearing up the diff.

I checked back with my utxoreport and it seems like my wallet did NOT use all my coins over the last couple of weeks, but nevertheless I seem to have no "aged" coins, that seems strange. Sad

If you did an exec bankroll then all those coins split into different denominations would be 0.

@Rob - seeing some weirdness with PoG difficulty set at 0, and min coin age display 0 when I click on "PoG Tithe?" checkbox.

I was able to tithe even though PoG difficulty is thru the roof.

Tithe Ability shows Qty 3 but none of the remaining can actually tithe. Even though MinCoinValue says 1 in red text, I believe behind the scenes, the min coin value is actually greater.

Pog diff was 0 for 3 blocks because we had 40 blocks with zero tithes behind it. That normally doesnt happen so this will work itself out as more people tithe consistently.

The checkbox: The gui doesnt update automatically so you just have to uncheck and check the pog tithe manually before you make a tithe. (That refreshes the screen metrics).

Everything looks fine, Slovakia....

EDIT: I'm positive we throw an error on the GUI though if you click Send and the block clicked by (IE diff rose between blocks) and we reject the tithe. I'm confident when you clicked Send the underlying diff was lower at that particular moment.

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it looks that POG crashed Roll Eyes

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Quote from: dave_bbp on February 07, 2019, 05:35:35 PM

Ah I see, thanks guys, now the "bankroll" went through. I thought the unlock for this was already covered by the PODC unlock you make at wallet startup.
Thank you rob for clearing up the diff.

I checked back with my utxoreport and it seems like my wallet did NOT use all my coins over the last couple of weeks, but nevertheless I seem to have no "aged" coins, that seems strange. Sad

If you did an exec bankroll then all those coins split into different denominations would be 0.

@Rob - seeing some weirdness with PoG difficulty set at 0, and min coin age display 0 when I click on "PoG Tithe?" checkbox.

I was able to tithe even though PoG difficulty is thru the roof.

Tithe Ability shows Qty 3 but none of the remaining can actually tithe. Even though MinCoinValue says 1 in red text, I believe behind the scenes, the min coin value is actually greater.

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Ah I see, thanks guys, now the "bankroll" went through. I thought the unlock for this was already covered by the PODC unlock you make at wallet startup.
Thank you rob for clearing up the diff.

I checked back with my utxoreport and it seems like my wallet did NOT use all my coins over the last couple of weeks, but nevertheless I seem to have no "aged" coins, that seems strange. Sad

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Rob (and everyone who helped), congratulations on the successful start of POG! I was on the sidelines for just a few months, and a whole new idea has been materialized Shocked

I'm running POG on auto with coins with a coinage of just 5 days, and I received my first reward today

Let's see how this will develop!

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Quote from: slovakia on February 07, 2019, 01:19:52 PM

Quote from: capulo on February 07, 2019, 12:40:51 PM

diff 166k?

total tithe over 50k? wasnt max 50k?

yes its normal for new users, muhahahahahaha..... all idea of POG is broken Grin

users=37 ppl ....

sunk=stop pls spam here......

Nothing is broken, only 37 have enough coin-age to tithe so far.

We will see the total distinct users over 30 days and then you can apologize.

I updated the guide regarding the diff. It's correct as-is.

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Quote from: slavino on February 07, 2019, 01:24:28 PM

that POG looks very bad for me and others.....i doubt that was good step for us..... Sad

diff 166k

sunk818 whats your problem with slovak people?slovakia helped more new miners here.....and you?

bible_pay my friend bought 100 000bbp and tithes and told me that was err Sad

... where is problem for new miners? its not rentabile what we see

Time will tell, I disagree, I think we will have 500 distinct POG mining addresses within 30 days.

I think we will write a report that shows distinct POG miners over 30 days, trending, since not every miner mines a block per day.

The rest of your post is incomprehensible.

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Quote from: dave_bbp on February 07, 2019, 01:06:16 PM

Hello all,

so I've been away the last 2 days and just came home to see that POG officially started. I read all 10 pages of new posts in this thread, then read the POG beginner guide, updated my wallet to 1186 and added "tithe=1" and a nickname to the config.

The wallet starts fine and I see the POG stats etc., but please help me understand these problems:

1. current titheinfo:

Code:

{
"24_hour_tithes": 128902.4,
"pog_difficulty": 166639.1616298037,
"min_coin_age": 60,
"min_coin_amt": 25000,
"max_tithe_amount": 1,
"Tithable_Coin_Quantity": 0,
"Tithable_Largest_Coin": 0,
"Tithable_Coin_Avg_Age": 0,
"Tithable_Total_Coin_Balance": 0,
"Tithability_Amount": 0,
"Tithability_Summary": "NO",
"Tithe_Cap": 50694,
"Daily_Miner_Emissions": 94628,
"Pool_Emissions": 75702.40000000001,
"Lowest_ROI%": 16.5,
"Highest_ROI%": -35
}

The guide says "maximum difficulty = 65535" and "maximum tithe per day approx. 100k". So how come both these values are way out of specification (and why does the wallet report "tithe_cap 50694"?

2. Up to today I did not cap my utxoamount. Does that mean that probably my current coin age is 0 for all my balance and I cannot receive POG payments (as of now) for 2 months??

3. Why does "exec bankroll x y" always return "Signing transaction failed", no matter which values for x and y I try (even tried 1 1)?

On #1, Ill modify the guide - maximum diff is infinity, but diff > 65535 has the same hardness up to infinity.
On #2, Yes, no aged coins.
On #3, Wallet must be unlocked first.

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Quote from: dave_bbp on February 07, 2019, 01:06:16 PM

Hello all,

so I've been away the last 2 days and just came home to see that POG officially started. I read all 10 pages of new posts in this thread, then read the POG beginner guide, updated my wallet to 1186 and added "tithe=1" and a nickname to the config.

The wallet starts fine and I see the POG stats etc., but please help me understand these problems:

1. current titheinfo:

Code:

{
"24_hour_tithes": 128902.4,
"pog_difficulty": 166639.1616298037,
"min_coin_age": 60,
"min_coin_amt": 25000,
"max_tithe_amount": 1,
"Tithable_Coin_Quantity": 0,
"Tithable_Largest_Coin": 0,
"Tithable_Coin_Avg_Age": 0,
"Tithable_Total_Coin_Balance": 0,
"Tithability_Amount": 0,
"Tithability_Summary": "NO",
"Tithe_Cap": 50694,
"Daily_Miner_Emissions": 94628,
"Pool_Emissions": 75702.40000000001,
"Lowest_ROI%": 16.5,
"Highest_ROI%": -35
}

The guide says "maximum difficulty = 65535" and "maximum tithe per day approx. 100k". So how come both these values are way out of specification (and why does the wallet report "tithe_cap 50694"?

2. Up to today I did not cap my utxoamount. Does that mean that probably my current coin age is 0 for all my balance and I cannot receive POG payments (as of now) for 2 months??

3. Why does "exec bankroll x y" always return "Signing transaction failed", no matter which values for x and y I try (even tried 1 1)?

3. you have to unlock your wallet first

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that POG looks very bad for me and others.....i doubt that was good step for us..... Sad

diff 166k

sunk818 whats your problem with slovak people?slovakia helped more new miners here.....and you?

bible_pay my friend bought 100 000bbp and tithes and told me that was err Sad

... where is problem for new miners? its not rentabile what we see

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Quote from: dave_bbp on February 07, 2019, 01:06:16 PM

Hello all,

so I've been away the last 2 days and just came home to see that POG officially started. I read all 10 pages of new posts in this thread, then read the POG beginner guide, updated my wallet to 1186 and added "tithe=1" and a nickname to the config.

The wallet starts fine and I see the POG stats etc., but please help me understand these problems:

1. current titheinfo:

Code:

{
"24_hour_tithes": 128902.4,
"pog_difficulty": 166639.1616298037,
"min_coin_age": 60,
"min_coin_amt": 25000,
"max_tithe_amount": 1,
"Tithable_Coin_Quantity": 0,
"Tithable_Largest_Coin": 0,
"Tithable_Coin_Avg_Age": 0,
"Tithable_Total_Coin_Balance": 0,
"Tithability_Amount": 0,
"Tithability_Summary": "NO",
"Tithe_Cap": 50694,
"Daily_Miner_Emissions": 94628,
"Pool_Emissions": 75702.40000000001,
"Lowest_ROI%": 16.5,
"Highest_ROI%": -35
}

The guide says "maximum difficulty = 65535" and "maximum tithe per day approx. 100k". So how come both these values are way out of specification (and why does the wallet report "tithe_cap 50694"?

2. Up to today I did not cap my utxoamount. Does that mean that probably my current coin age is 0 for all my balance and I cannot receive POG payments (as of now) for 2 months??

3. Why does "exec bankroll x y" always return "Signing transaction failed", no matter which values for x and y I try (even tried 1 1)?

For the second question is that yes all your coins are aged 0.

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Quote from: capulo on February 07, 2019, 12:40:51 PM

diff 166k?

total tithe over 50k? wasnt max 50k?

yes its normal for new users, muhahahahahaha..... all idea of POG is broken Grin

users=37 ppl ....

sunk=stop pls spam here......

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Hello all,

so I've been away the last 2 days and just came home to see that POG officially started. I read all 10 pages of new posts in this thread, then read the POG beginner guide, updated my wallet to 1186 and added "tithe=1" and a nickname to the config.

The wallet starts fine and I see the POG stats etc., but please help me understand these problems:

1. current titheinfo:

Code:

{
"24_hour_tithes": 128902.4,
"pog_difficulty": 166639.1616298037,
"min_coin_age": 60,
"min_coin_amt": 25000,
"max_tithe_amount": 1,
"Tithable_Coin_Quantity": 0,
"Tithable_Largest_Coin": 0,
"Tithable_Coin_Avg_Age": 0,
"Tithable_Total_Coin_Balance": 0,
"Tithability_Amount": 0,
"Tithability_Summary": "NO",
"Tithe_Cap": 50694,
"Daily_Miner_Emissions": 94628,
"Pool_Emissions": 75702.40000000001,
"Lowest_ROI%": 16.5,
"Highest_ROI%": -35
}

The guide says "maximum difficulty = 65535" and "maximum tithe per day approx. 100k". So how come both these values are way out of specification (and why does the wallet report "tithe_cap 50694"?

2. Up to today I did not cap my utxoamount. Does that mean that probably my current coin age is 0 for all my balance and I cannot receive POG payments (as of now) for 2 months??

3. Why does "exec bankroll x y" always return "Signing transaction failed", no matter which values for x and y I try (even tried 1 1)?

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Quote from: capulo on February 07, 2019, 12:40:51 PM

diff 166k?

total tithe over 50k? wasnt max 50k?

Updated guide.

This just means over the last 40 blocks, the tithes exceeded the extrapolated 205 block budget, but this evens itself out over time (as diff drops back down over the next 20 blocks).

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My "targeted ads" showed this ad today:

Isn't that redicules?

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diff 166k?

total tithe over 50k? wasnt max 50k?

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Quote from: sunk818 on February 07, 2019, 12:00:42 PM

Can we ban slovakia from this thread? He's not adding net value. He is sometimes helpful, but he is far more destructive than helpful.

LOL, wow min coin age dropped to 1.5 day then spiked back up to 60 day.

There are chances for newcomers to participate currently as this is still new system. But what happens when the participants increase over time where min coin age remain at min coin age 30 day to 60 days? This is obviously a good problem to have (meaning there is good adoption for PoG), but newcomers will find it more difficult to participate if their BBP have to marinate for 30 or more days. Is this a necessary evil and better than other mining algorithms like PoW or PoS?

I'll e-mail about issue #1. Yes, but I think we should still love him and if he leaves then he leaves, but yes; from a business perspective we must not let our haters hurt our orphans.

On participating, I was just discussing this with MIP, and I don't think there is anything to worry about overall, as I believe what will happen is the difficulty floor per 24 hours will rise (IE it might never drop below 32000), meaning that every user in our network will require > 14 day coin age (this is just an example), so yes, we could have 900 new users that will need to sit for 14 days per tithe, yes its possible, but yes I think that still solves the problem (of solo mining, pow and bitcoin) as whatever that age is, one user is guaranteed to have a stake in biblepay in N number of days, and thats an improvement over solo mining and does not require a web-pool to solve the problem.

On a side note I just added the POG Difficulty chart to pool.biblepay.org.

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