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thesnat21

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i get the pay to play. not all of us have money to spend.....

the vote is what it is. the community is small and will remain that way i suspect (I hope it grows!)... time will tell, I will get off my soapbox

I may be disappointed, but as with anything we all have the choice to participate or not. I don't harbor ill will towards anyone here. Rob you have done a lot for this community! I respect that and the progress this coin has undergone.

I started mining because of the values here... even before i started paying attention to the thread. I have traded/sold 0 bbp thus far and don't plan on cashing out. I want to see the philanthropy expand as this project grows.

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Quote from: bible_pay on March 31, 2018, 05:36:33 PM

It will be interesting to see how many Sanctuaries survive the next two days, right now we have 186 total/138 enabled.

edit:
Based on the uxto, the big fish with large quantites are going to get massive payouts as the smaller guys get pennies.. I'll wait and see what the new payout structure looks like....

No, its the opposite of that. The big fish who cant afford the UTXO are going to share their RAC rewards with the small fish.

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Quote from: znffal on March 31, 2018, 07:55:30 PM

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Quote from: bible_pay on March 31, 2018, 05:36:33 PM

It will be interesting to see how many Sanctuaries survive the next two days, right now we have 186 total/138 enabled.

Is there a hidden agenda here?

...

Anyone care to donate some BBP so I dont get totally messed over by the 20/rac update?

edit:
Based on the uxto, the big fish with large quantites are going to get massive payouts as the smaller guys get pennies.. I'll wait and see what the new payout structure looks like....

edit2:

For the record I should have payed more attention to this earlier in the discussion...

edit3:
can somoone send me c-cex invite code?

Not sure, is CCEX still accepting registrations?
Southxchange is the other working option, I believe.

Did you manage to vote on the issue?
I think it's worth noting that Rob's initial plan was to go with per MAG, but some asked for per RAC. So Rob gave us that option and people voted that way. Can't get more democratic than that!

By the way Rob, perhaps for future votes we could consider only accounts older than 1 month old can vote to avoid spam/illegitimate accounts.

Thanks Luke, I'm not dissapointed that we held a general poll, for two reasons: 1) We gave the general consensus a chance to vote - people who cant afford Sanctuaries, and 2) We discovered a more granular outcome from the poll (in contrast to what a sanctuary poll could have done since its atomic).

Ill be sure to look into that option for the next poll, I believe its possible.

bible_pay

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Quote from: bible_pay on March 31, 2018, 05:36:33 PM

It will be interesting to see how many Sanctuaries survive the next two days, right now we have 186 total/138 enabled.

Is there a hidden agenda here?

No - I was just observing the effects.

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Quote from: tmike on March 31, 2018, 07:59:25 PM

Quote from: znffal on March 31, 2018, 07:55:30 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: bible_pay on March 31, 2018, 05:36:33 PM

It will be interesting to see how many Sanctuaries survive the next two days, right now we have 186 total/138 enabled.

Is there a hidden agenda here?

...

Anyone care to donate some BBP so I dont get totally messed over by the 20/rac update?

edit:
Based on the uxto, the big fish with large quantites are going to get massive payouts as the smaller guys get pennies.. I'll wait and see what the new payout structure looks like....

edit2:

For the record I should have payed more attention to this earlier in the discussion...

edit3:
can somoone send me c-cex invite code?

Not sure, is CCEX still accepting registrations?
Southxchange is the other working option, I believe.

Did you manage to vote on the issue?
I think it's worth noting that Rob's initial plan was to go with per MAG, but some asked for per RAC. So Rob gave us that option and people voted that way. Can't get more democratic than that!

By the way Rob, perhaps for future votes we could consider only accounts older than 1 month old can vote to avoid spam/illegitimate accounts.

I think the best way with what we have now is to do a couple of proposals and see which one wins.

The problem with that is you being a holder of 20% of the entire coins magnitude wants a re-vote, because it appears you are not happy with the current outcome. I watched the vote sway to 20 bbp per rac early on, and although it requires more adjustments, I don't see any evidence of corruption.

It's not fair to constantly ask for re-votes until you get a poll that gives you what you want.

One nice thing about this outcome is now people have to pay to play if they want to pull an extraordinarily large piece of Biblepays rewards.

tmike

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Quote from: znffal on March 31, 2018, 07:55:30 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: bible_pay on March 31, 2018, 05:36:33 PM

It will be interesting to see how many Sanctuaries survive the next two days, right now we have 186 total/138 enabled.

Is there a hidden agenda here?

...

Anyone care to donate some BBP so I dont get totally messed over by the 20/rac update?

edit:
Based on the uxto, the big fish with large quantites are going to get massive payouts as the smaller guys get pennies.. I'll wait and see what the new payout structure looks like....

edit2:

For the record I should have payed more attention to this earlier in the discussion...

edit3:
can somoone send me c-cex invite code?

Not sure, is CCEX still accepting registrations?
Southxchange is the other working option, I believe.

Did you manage to vote on the issue?
I think it's worth noting that Rob's initial plan was to go with per MAG, but some asked for per RAC. So Rob gave us that option and people voted that way. Can't get more democratic than that!

By the way Rob, perhaps for future votes we could consider only accounts older than 1 month old can vote to avoid spam/illegitimate accounts.

I think the best way with what we have now is to do a couple of proposals and see which one wins.

thesnat21

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Quote from: znffal on March 31, 2018, 07:55:30 PM

Not sure, is CCEX still accepting registrations?
Southxchange is the other working option, I believe.

Did you manage to vote on the issue?
I think it's worth noting that Rob's initial plan was to go with per MAG, but some asked for per RAC. So Rob gave us that option and people voted that way. Can't get more democratic than that!

By the way Rob, perhaps for future votes we could consider only accounts older than 1 month old can vote to avoid spam/illegitimate accounts.

ccex wants an invite code

soutexchange wont let me register gives an error... will try later

znffal

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: bible_pay on March 31, 2018, 05:36:33 PM

It will be interesting to see how many Sanctuaries survive the next two days, right now we have 186 total/138 enabled.

Is there a hidden agenda here?

...

Anyone care to donate some BBP so I dont get totally messed over by the 20/rac update?

edit:
Based on the uxto, the big fish with large quantites are going to get massive payouts as the smaller guys get pennies.. I'll wait and see what the new payout structure looks like....

edit2:

For the record I should have payed more attention to this earlier in the discussion...

edit3:
can somoone send me c-cex invite code?

Not sure, is CCEX still accepting registrations?
Southxchange is the other working option, I believe.

Did you manage to vote on the issue?
I think it's worth noting that Rob's initial plan was to go with per MAG, but some asked for per RAC. So Rob gave us that option and people voted that way. Can't get more democratic than that!

By the way Rob, perhaps for future votes we could consider only accounts older than 1 month old can vote to avoid spam/illegitimate accounts.

bible_pay

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It will be interesting to see how many Sanctuaries survive the next two days, right now we have 186 total/138 enabled.

bible_pay

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Quote from: capulo on March 31, 2018, 05:23:24 PM

but if everyone will have 50% utxo, everyone saved 50% and get 50%, who will take saved amount?

Yes, that is correct, if we all dropped to 50% UTXO, we all would suffer together and nothing changes as magnitude would all stay the same, your right, but I can assure you that wont be happening, because the second half of the CPID list with magnitude less than 15 will easily be staking 100% UTXO's and they will consume that balance up for themselves....

Think of the top 3 users as 35% of the pie, the next 20 users as 20%, and then the second half (150 users) as 50% of the pie...

EDIT: Another words financially, out of 1 Million, the Top 3 would normally get 350,000 with 650K going to the rest,
but if the top 3 got 175,000 this would give 175,000 bonus to the lower 60%....

bible_pay

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BiblePay - 1.1.1.6
Leisure Upgrade

- Modify getboincinfo to show WCGRAC in RAC totals, and modify exec totalrac to include WCGRAC in RAC totals
- Modify UTXO Stake calculation to take WCGRAC into account
- Modify PODC Update to send the Maximum stake available if user does not have enough to meet the minimum requirement
* Remember: Set utxooverride=YYY if you want to manually change the setting *

capulo

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but if everyone will have 50% utxo, everyone saved 50% and get 50%, who will take saved amount?

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Quote from: capulo on March 31, 2018, 05:14:15 PM

Quote from: dave_bbp on March 31, 2018, 05:08:24 PM

Quote from: tmike on March 31, 2018, 04:49:07 PM

It would just be distributed evenly with everyone else. Say if I originally was taking 10% of the total rewards with UTXOweight=100 but since my UTXOweight is 50 now, I would be only taking 5% and the other 5% would be distributed among the other researchers.

Yes, that's exactly my point. So - for simplicities sake - let's say we have 3 researchers, A has mag 500, B has mag 300, C has mag 200. Now let's say their combined RAC is 1000, meaning mag=rac. The total payout per superblock shall be 1000 BBP (simplicity...). At their full utxoweight they would get A: 500, B: 300, C: 200 BBP. Now A only has utxo=50%. Does that mean he gets 250, B gets 450, C gets 300?
Going further, if all 3 guys are at 50%, their payout would just be the same, namely 500, 300, 200, right?

not sure if it will be this way

i think it will be:
a will have mag 250 (50% utxo)
so a+b+c = 250+300+200= 750
and they get 333, 400, 267 (1000 in total)

if you will have 50% utxo you just lower your shares to 50% but payout per one share will not be 50% overal

You guys are kind of overcomplicating this.

Think of 1 million being in the kitty to be paid. If researcher #1 is at 50% UTXO, his savings amount remains in the kitty to be split among the rest.

Period.

bible_pay

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Quote from: slavino on March 31, 2018, 04:21:56 PM

and here is your BOTNET

ONICHAN staked almost 15 000 000 BBP by destroyed his 8 masternodes

http://explorer.biblepay.org:3001/address/BQJN3Yq3VPzTwa9uHUNj4i4QwUm4861g1T

JOEL: he posted here and deleted then Wink

Yes, that is Onichan, he needs 11 MIL as of tomorrow, yes, that is his PODC update, he unlocked his sanctuaries and capitulated them so he can continue researching as of tomorrow. I guess his individual ROI is higher that way.

capulo

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Quote from: dave_bbp on March 31, 2018, 05:08:24 PM

Quote from: tmike on March 31, 2018, 04:49:07 PM

It would just be distributed evenly with everyone else. Say if I originally was taking 10% of the total rewards with UTXOweight=100 but since my UTXOweight is 50 now, I would be only taking 5% and the other 5% would be distributed among the other researchers.

Yes, that's exactly my point. So - for simplicities sake - let's say we have 3 researchers, A has mag 500, B has mag 300, C has mag 200. Now let's say their combined RAC is 1000, meaning mag=rac. The total payout per superblock shall be 1000 BBP (simplicity...). At their full utxoweight they would get A: 500, B: 300, C: 200 BBP. Now A only has utxo=50%. Does that mean he gets 250, B gets 450, C gets 300?
Going further, if all 3 guys are at 50%, their payout would just be the same, namely 500, 300, 200, right?

not sure if it will be this way

i think it will be:
a will have mag 250 (50% utxo)
so a+b+c = 250+300+200= 750
and they get 333, 400, 267 (1000 in total)

if you will have 50% utxo you just lower your shares to 50% but payout per one share will not be 50% overal

bible_pay

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Quote from: dave_bbp on March 31, 2018, 05:08:24 PM

Quote from: tmike on March 31, 2018, 04:49:07 PM

It would just be distributed evenly with everyone else. Say if I originally was taking 10% of the total rewards with UTXOweight=100 but since my UTXOweight is 50 now, I would be only taking 5% and the other 5% would be distributed among the other researchers.

Yes, that's exactly my point. So - for simplicities sake - let's say we have 3 researchers, A has mag 500, B has mag 300, C has mag 200. Now let's say their combined RAC is 1000, meaning mag=rac. The total payout per superblock shall be 1000 BBP (simplicity...). At their full utxoweight they would get A: 500, B: 300, C: 200 BBP. Now A only has utxo=50%. Does that mean he gets 250, B gets 450, C gets 300?
Going further, if all 3 guys are at 50%, their payout would just be the same, namely 500, 300, 200, right?

Yes, whoever does not have enough UTXO, that leftover share goes in the main kitty, then it gets ravaged by everyone else.

Note that we do snap the UTXOs to the grid in graduated amounts, so if someone has 48% UTXO they fit in the 50% bracket.

dave_bbp

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Quote from: tmike on March 31, 2018, 04:49:07 PM

It would just be distributed evenly with everyone else. Say if I originally was taking 10% of the total rewards with UTXOweight=100 but since my UTXOweight is 50 now, I would be only taking 5% and the other 5% would be distributed among the other researchers.

Yes, that's exactly my point. So - for simplicities sake - let's say we have 3 researchers, A has mag 500, B has mag 300, C has mag 200. Now let's say their combined RAC is 1000, meaning mag=rac. The total payout per superblock shall be 1000 BBP (simplicity...). At their full utxoweight they would get A: 500, B: 300, C: 200 BBP. Now A only has utxo=50%. Does that mean he gets 250, B gets 450, C gets 300?
Going further, if all 3 guys are at 50%, their payout would just be the same, namely 500, 300, 200, right?

Hmm.. come to think of it, maybe it's not "unfair" at all, because of the distribution permanently adjusting itself over all user...

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Quote from: joelles on March 31, 2018, 03:48:28 PM

Quote from: slavino on March 31, 2018, 03:11:02 PM

bible_pay by the way ... ....

MASTERNODE guys znfall joel zthomas daveBBP freebish86 Whirlingue jaapgvk canopus

SVK GUYS DO YOU KNOW THAT ROB KNOWS ALL OUR PASSWORDS IN FORUM? HE WROTE HERE THAT SEE OUR PASSWORDS (then deleted it)= THIS PERSON IS VERY UNSECURE

canopus orbis slovakia rastiks SVK NOKO, capulo, daemonko, ischindl, nomad, carvash,mr.holub,slavino, radino, roko, ela, komzo tonkeybayo IVO SHT casparaitis vyjebanec hypper ceckys tanker GT

when willbe delete: ill send it to you via PM on social site

Hi

How do you know?

I'm not sure why he said that, the pool only stores the password hash, not the password.

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Quote from: tmike on March 31, 2018, 04:49:07 PM

It would just be distributed evenly with everyone else. Say if I originally was taking 10% of the total rewards with UTXOweight=100 but since my UTXOweight is 50 now, I would be only taking 5% and the other 5% would be distributed among the other researchers.

Yes, that's exactly my point. So - for simplicities sake - let's say we have 3 researchers, A has mag 500, B has mag 300, C has mag 200. Now let's say their combined RAC is 1000, meaning mag=rac. The total payout per superblock shall be 1000 BBP (simplicity...). At their full utxoweight they would get A: 500, B: 300, C: 200 BBP. Now A only has utxo=50%. Does that mean he gets 250, B gets 450, C gets 300?
Going further, if all 3 guys are at 50%, their payout would just be the same, namely 500, 300, 200, right?

tmike

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Quote from: dave_bbp on March 31, 2018, 04:39:00 PM

Quote from: slavino on March 31, 2018, 03:11:02 PM

bible_pay by the way ... ....

MASTERNODE guys znfall joel zthomas daveBBP freebish86 Whirlingue jaapgvk canopus

SVK GUYS DO YOU KNOW THAT ROB KNOWS ALL OUR PASSWORDS IN FORUM? HE WROTE HERE THAT SEE OUR PASSWORDS (then deleted it)= THIS PERSON IS VERY UNSECURE

canopus orbis slovakia rastiks SVK NOKO, capulo, daemonko, ischindl, nomad, carvash,mr.holub,slavino, radino, roko, ela, komzo tonkeybayo IVO SHT casparaitis vyjebanec hypper ceckys tanker GT

when willbe delete: ill send it to you via PM on social site

Still not quite sure what you're talking about, but since I don't even have an account on BBP forum I'm pretty sure Rob doesn't know my password there. Grin

Quote from: bible_pay on March 31, 2018, 02:52:16 PM

THE POLL IS CLOSED, HACKERS.

The results are in:

20 BBP PER RAC IS THE REQUIREMENT AS OF TOMORROW MORNING
http://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=127.0

Oh my, bye bye my sweet PODC payouts^^. First question: how will it work regarding the wallet? Which wallet version (windows) will I need on my controller machine and which config-entry does it require to just stake "as-much-as-there-is"?
Second question: I assume that whenever a user cannot provide 100% utxoweight his "remaining" payout will be divided among all users? How will this work for the amount in total? Does that mean that people with 100% weight will actually receive even more than they "earned" because of the bonuses? That would be quite unfair! In that case I'd rather see those coins getting burned to help increase the overall value. (And don't worry, I would write exactly the same if I was at 100% stakeweight).

It would just be distributed evenly with everyone else. Say if I originally was taking 10% of the total rewards with UTXOweight=100 but since my UTXOweight is 50 now, I would be only taking 5% and the other 5% would be distributed among the other researchers.

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