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So although I don't expect PODC2.0 to solve all of our problems, as supporting Cancer Mining is going to be a lot of work, we are going to try to make big improvements over podc 1.0 (using the knowledge we've learned up til now) before releasing 2.0.

We need to make 2.0 more like the iPhone:  Easy to setup, easy to understand, easy to maintain.  The defaults should work.

Some of the pitfalls we had before:  Daily podcupdates required, meaning the core wallet had to be running, had to unlock wallets to send podc updates, had to have funds available for the CPID association, had to understand all the terminology, etc.

Last night I started working on something called an "external PODC purse".  This will allow a user to store a balance in an external purse.  Then PODC will be able to fund the association, and the daily updates (for both PODC & Cameroon one) through this purse, so you will no longer have to have the wallet unlocked.  Ive been waiting for this myself as I dont know how many times I booted biblepay and never unlocked the wallet, and lost the rewards for the day (probably 50% of the time) etc.  So this works in alpha now, so this will be coming.  You will basically type a command to join Cancer mining (or WCG, TBD), and we will make an external purse for you, IE an adddress called "PODC", and you will fund it with 1000 bbp.  Then we will associate your cpid to that address.  Later, we will ensure the updates are sent from the main thread (and no longer from the miner) and they will only cost about .25 bbp max (for tx fees) and they will send even when wallets are locked.  Then in a few years you can fund the purse using a special command.  This should cut down on support issues.

One volunteer helper I could use -- do we have a volunteer who wants to make a biblepay CPID stats website?  One that does something like pull the data from the core wallet via rpc commands, and cache it, and show RAC per CPID per day and a graph?  (Something that will cut down on support questions from new users).  I will gladly give you a subdomain of biblepay.org if you want to take this on.  This will allow me to focus on working on the Data, and the RPC commands, and someone else can focus on UI for ease of use?  (On a side note -- I can manage pulling in our prior core wallet cpid association page again from biblepay-classic -- asap).

Also, I will ensure we make the CPID data display in the rpc more user friendly this time.

Im also thinking since we will no longer require the 'bbp for rac' rule or escrow reqs anymore, therefore we can streamline things a little more, meaning boinc can keep crunching on phones or on cpus for days, and if you dont check in for 7 days you should still receive 7 rewards automatically in your locked (and non-running) wallet.

Basically we need a plug-n-play environment for PODC 2.0.



Hi Rob,

Are you sure you want to switch back to PoDC with NO collateral requirement? Locking some coins away would be beneficial for supporting the price level and raising the barrier against a giant-cruncher (call it botnet) domination.
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i'm not able to rejoin pog...

}
capo@xeon4:~$ biblepay-cli exec cpk capulinko true
{
  "Command": "cpk",
  "Results": false,
  "Error": "ALREADY_IN_CHAIN"
}
capo@xeon4:~$ biblepay-cli exec join pog true
{
  "Command": "join",
  "Results": false,
  "Error": "ALREADY_IN_CHAIN"

how to fix this, seems force is not working for me
jr. member
Activity: 55
Merit: 2
1) can we have lower difficulty? Even 3 diff is kind of high for some computers. Could you offer difficulty of 1 or lower perhaps?

2) Wrote some new articles:

I downloaded the Biblepay wallet but it doesn’t sync, why?
https://whitewalr.us/2019/biblepay-wallet-sync-issue.html

How do I mine on the BiblePay NOMP pool?
https://whitewalr.us/2019/biblepay-nomp-pool-mining.html


3) I get disconnected from pool sometimes. I just communicated with it so I am not sure why this is happening.

stratum_recv_line failed
Stratum connection interrupted

I tried temporarily from different networks (usa, europe, asia, etc). it seems to happen regardless of where my miner traffic originates from.. i wonder if pool can handle all the workers?

is anyone else seeing the disconnect?

4) i let some miners run overnight and I think invalid shares is high again. out of 1050 submitted / only 1010 accepted. So, something like 96.1% accept rate. saturday day worked very good. but saturday night maybe more people joined pool, i don't know.

1) Port 3032 has a variable diff of 1-10 now.  I had to change a parameter.

2) Will need to read them.

3) I believe this needs a code change in the external miner.  Ill ask you to enter a github as soon as the feature is enabled.  Yeah, the pool is hardly using resources, so Im sure its handling the workers.  Its just a condition when no one in the round solves a share for 120 seconds, stratum hangs up and reconnects. 

4) 1010 out of 1050 is completely normal.  There are 8 error messages the pools check for, and that ratio is very much inline with what pool.biblepay.org experienced. 

5) Ill try to get that nomp doc out today so you can start a pool also.


Sun, if you (or anyone else) wants to start a NOMP pool here is the documentation:

https://github.com/biblepay/node-open-mining-portal/blob/master/Deploy%20a%20Nomp%20BiblePay%20Pool.txt


Good luck!



Thank you very much for the pool document. I will try one for sure Smiley
I have 2 questions: Currently what kind of bandwidth is the NOMP pool requiring (up and down)??  and is it ok to charge a little bit to help with hosting cost ( 0.1 to 0.5%)?

I have a 5 addresses for 5 miners but only getting 2 payments lately. Is there a minimum payment? they are all over 100 bbp.

You can actually charge whatever you want.  Although if you go higher than 5% or so I think all the miners will rebel.

It looks like the host is using about 40 gigs up and 80 gigs down per day right now (it gets 4000 gb free per month). 

Minimum payment is 100 bbp, could you please check pool.biblepay.org for a specific solved block and give an example of one that didnt get paid?


OK. Thanks for the explanation.
Minimum payment is 100 bbp and that explains why my slower miners get paid less often.
I sent you a PM with the 5 addresses and cannot seem to go back far enough on pool.biblepay.org NOMP page to get a clear picture.
That said, I think that since my slowest one just got paid 100.31832069 BBP it is most likely not being skipped.
Thanks again Smiley
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Jesus is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords
1) can we have lower difficulty? Even 3 diff is kind of high for some computers. Could you offer difficulty of 1 or lower perhaps?

2) Wrote some new articles:

I downloaded the Biblepay wallet but it doesn’t sync, why?
https://whitewalr.us/2019/biblepay-wallet-sync-issue.html

How do I mine on the BiblePay NOMP pool?
https://whitewalr.us/2019/biblepay-nomp-pool-mining.html


3) I get disconnected from pool sometimes. I just communicated with it so I am not sure why this is happening.

stratum_recv_line failed
Stratum connection interrupted

I tried temporarily from different networks (usa, europe, asia, etc). it seems to happen regardless of where my miner traffic originates from.. i wonder if pool can handle all the workers?

is anyone else seeing the disconnect?

4) i let some miners run overnight and I think invalid shares is high again. out of 1050 submitted / only 1010 accepted. So, something like 96.1% accept rate. saturday day worked very good. but saturday night maybe more people joined pool, i don't know.

1) Port 3032 has a variable diff of 1-10 now.  I had to change a parameter.

2) Will need to read them.

3) I believe this needs a code change in the external miner.  Ill ask you to enter a github as soon as the feature is enabled.  Yeah, the pool is hardly using resources, so Im sure its handling the workers.  Its just a condition when no one in the round solves a share for 120 seconds, stratum hangs up and reconnects. 

4) 1010 out of 1050 is completely normal.  There are 8 error messages the pools check for, and that ratio is very much inline with what pool.biblepay.org experienced. 

5) Ill try to get that nomp doc out today so you can start a pool also.


Sun, if you (or anyone else) wants to start a NOMP pool here is the documentation:

https://github.com/biblepay/node-open-mining-portal/blob/master/Deploy%20a%20Nomp%20BiblePay%20Pool.txt


Good luck!



Thank you very much for the pool document. I will try one for sure Smiley
I have 2 questions: Currently what kind of bandwidth is the NOMP pool requiring (up and down)??  and is it ok to charge a little bit to help with hosting cost ( 0.1 to 0.5%)?

I have a 5 addresses for 5 miners but only getting 2 payments lately. Is there a minimum payment? they are all over 100 bbp.

You can actually charge whatever you want.  Although if you go higher than 5% or so I think all the miners will rebel.

It looks like the host is using about 40 gigs up and 80 gigs down per day right now (it gets 4000 gb free per month). 

Minimum payment is 100 bbp, could you please check pool.biblepay.org for a specific solved block and give an example of one that didnt get paid?

jr. member
Activity: 55
Merit: 2
1) can we have lower difficulty? Even 3 diff is kind of high for some computers. Could you offer difficulty of 1 or lower perhaps?

2) Wrote some new articles:

I downloaded the Biblepay wallet but it doesn’t sync, why?
https://whitewalr.us/2019/biblepay-wallet-sync-issue.html

How do I mine on the BiblePay NOMP pool?
https://whitewalr.us/2019/biblepay-nomp-pool-mining.html


3) I get disconnected from pool sometimes. I just communicated with it so I am not sure why this is happening.

stratum_recv_line failed
Stratum connection interrupted

I tried temporarily from different networks (usa, europe, asia, etc). it seems to happen regardless of where my miner traffic originates from.. i wonder if pool can handle all the workers?

is anyone else seeing the disconnect?

4) i let some miners run overnight and I think invalid shares is high again. out of 1050 submitted / only 1010 accepted. So, something like 96.1% accept rate. saturday day worked very good. but saturday night maybe more people joined pool, i don't know.

1) Port 3032 has a variable diff of 1-10 now.  I had to change a parameter.

2) Will need to read them.

3) I believe this needs a code change in the external miner.  Ill ask you to enter a github as soon as the feature is enabled.  Yeah, the pool is hardly using resources, so Im sure its handling the workers.  Its just a condition when no one in the round solves a share for 120 seconds, stratum hangs up and reconnects. 

4) 1010 out of 1050 is completely normal.  There are 8 error messages the pools check for, and that ratio is very much inline with what pool.biblepay.org experienced. 

5) Ill try to get that nomp doc out today so you can start a pool also.


Sun, if you (or anyone else) wants to start a NOMP pool here is the documentation:

https://github.com/biblepay/node-open-mining-portal/blob/master/Deploy%20a%20Nomp%20BiblePay%20Pool.txt


Good luck!



Thank you very much for the pool document. I will try one for sure Smiley
I have 2 questions: Currently what kind of bandwidth is the NOMP pool requiring (up and down)??  and is it ok to charge a little bit to help with hosting cost ( 0.1 to 0.5%)?

I have a 5 addresses for 5 miners but only getting 2 payments lately. Is there a minimum payment? they are all over 100 bbp.
full member
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I noticed when dip3 was turned on (?), a special tx was in the block. i take it there's no way to have the sanctuaries agree on cpid registration and do it for free? it'd be good to receive rewards as long as our cpid had rac and not have to run the wallet even if it is every 7 days?

I have a question Sun:

In your Signature you have a link to a "BBP community thread" - which I called the bbp-haters before, primarily because it spreads infighting and vitriol in our community.  Ive apologized for things that I thought were wrong in the past and made a good effort to forgive anyone for anything I held against them. 

But I havent had the same respect shown back to me - like for example all the attacks where people accused me of stealing orphan funds, or deliberately censoring, or accusing me of hiding things etc, and frankly Im not even asking for that.

What I suppose is pretty damaging, is that you are still advertising this as a community thread.  Shouldnt this be our community thread (as it is our only official bitcointalk presence), shouldnt that be changed?

And shouldnt T-mike be taking down all that hate speech and bringing the community together and apologizing for leaving it up?

Could you offer your opinion on removing all of that and starting over, and reaching out to T-Mike and asking him to do that?

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Jesus is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords
I noticed when dip3 was turned on (?), a special tx was in the block. i take it there's no way to have the sanctuaries agree on cpid registration and do it for free? it'd be good to receive rewards as long as our cpid had rac and not have to run the wallet even if it is every 7 days?

Well I think these are 3 separate issues, and I think we can make leaps and bounds in 2.0 compared to 1.0.

In 1.0, we required an association, and daily escrow reqs to be posted (bbp->rac), and - a daily PODC update to carry the RAC into the daily superblock.

I do agree that simplifying 'one time registration' would be good, but in 2.0, we still need the user to do a one time CPID registration to join WCG or Cancer Mining.

But, in 2.0, I think we can remove the daily burdens.  We can make it where you can leave your controller wallet off, and just cancer-mine in boinc and on your phone devices, and we can have the sancs register the daily updates automatically for users, yes, Im going to do this in 2.0.

However, I dont think we can do this for cameroon-one at this phase.  So for people like you and me we still need to send cameroon one updates in daily, but for the boinc users I think we can automate the experience for them.

However I am working on an improvement for cameroon-one.  So that the wallet will send the cameroon-one daily update from the external purse - that way we can leave our wallets locked and cameroon one will go out.



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I noticed when dip3 was turned on (?), a special tx was in the block. i take it there's no way to have the sanctuaries agree on cpid registration and do it for free? it'd be good to receive rewards as long as our cpid had rac and not have to run the wallet even if it is every 7 days?
full member
Activity: 1176
Merit: 215
Jesus is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords
1) can we have lower difficulty? Even 3 diff is kind of high for some computers. Could you offer difficulty of 1 or lower perhaps?

2) Wrote some new articles:

I downloaded the Biblepay wallet but it doesn’t sync, why?
https://whitewalr.us/2019/biblepay-wallet-sync-issue.html

How do I mine on the BiblePay NOMP pool?
https://whitewalr.us/2019/biblepay-nomp-pool-mining.html


3) I get disconnected from pool sometimes. I just communicated with it so I am not sure why this is happening.

stratum_recv_line failed
Stratum connection interrupted

I tried temporarily from different networks (usa, europe, asia, etc). it seems to happen regardless of where my miner traffic originates from.. i wonder if pool can handle all the workers?

is anyone else seeing the disconnect?

4) i let some miners run overnight and I think invalid shares is high again. out of 1050 submitted / only 1010 accepted. So, something like 96.1% accept rate. saturday day worked very good. but saturday night maybe more people joined pool, i don't know.

1) Port 3032 has a variable diff of 1-10 now.  I had to change a parameter.

2) Will need to read them.

3) I believe this needs a code change in the external miner.  Ill ask you to enter a github as soon as the feature is enabled.  Yeah, the pool is hardly using resources, so Im sure its handling the workers.  Its just a condition when no one in the round solves a share for 120 seconds, stratum hangs up and reconnects.  

4) 1010 out of 1050 is completely normal.  There are 8 error messages the pools check for, and that ratio is very much inline with what pool.biblepay.org experienced.  

5) Ill try to get that nomp doc out today so you can start a pool also.


Sun, if you (or anyone else) wants to start a NOMP pool here is the documentation:

https://github.com/biblepay/node-open-mining-portal/blob/master/Deploy%20a%20Nomp%20BiblePay%20Pool.txt


Good luck!

full member
Activity: 1176
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Jesus is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords
So although I don't expect PODC2.0 to solve all of our problems, as supporting Cancer Mining is going to be a lot of work, we are going to try to make big improvements over podc 1.0 (using the knowledge we've learned up til now) before releasing 2.0.

We need to make 2.0 more like the iPhone:  Easy to setup, easy to understand, easy to maintain.  The defaults should work.

Some of the pitfalls we had before:  Daily podcupdates required, meaning the core wallet had to be running, had to unlock wallets to send podc updates, had to have funds available for the CPID association, had to understand all the terminology, etc.

Last night I started working on something called an "external PODC purse".  This will allow a user to store a balance in an external purse.  Then PODC will be able to fund the association, and the daily updates (for both PODC & Cameroon one) through this purse, so you will no longer have to have the wallet unlocked.  Ive been waiting for this myself as I dont know how many times I booted biblepay and never unlocked the wallet, and lost the rewards for the day (probably 50% of the time) etc.  So this works in alpha now, so this will be coming.  You will basically type a command to join Cancer mining (or WCG, TBD), and we will make an external purse for you, IE an adddress called "PODC", and you will fund it with 1000 bbp.  Then we will associate your cpid to that address.  Later, we will ensure the updates are sent from the main thread (and no longer from the miner) and they will only cost about .25 bbp max (for tx fees) and they will send even when wallets are locked.  Then in a few years you can fund the purse using a special command.  This should cut down on support issues.

One volunteer helper I could use -- do we have a volunteer who wants to make a biblepay CPID stats website?  One that does something like pull the data from the core wallet via rpc commands, and cache it, and show RAC per CPID per day and a graph?  (Something that will cut down on support questions from new users).  I will gladly give you a subdomain of biblepay.org if you want to take this on.  This will allow me to focus on working on the Data, and the RPC commands, and someone else can focus on UI for ease of use?  (On a side note -- I can manage pulling in our prior core wallet cpid association page again from biblepay-classic -- asap).

Also, I will ensure we make the CPID data display in the rpc more user friendly this time.

Im also thinking since we will no longer require the 'bbp for rac' rule or escrow reqs anymore, therefore we can streamline things a little more, meaning boinc can keep crunching on phones or on cpus for days, and if you dont check in for 7 days you should still receive 7 rewards automatically in your locked (and non-running) wallet.

Basically we need a plug-n-play environment for PODC 2.0.

full member
Activity: 1176
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Jesus is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords
1) can we have lower difficulty? Even 3 diff is kind of high for some computers. Could you offer difficulty of 1 or lower perhaps?

2) Wrote some new articles:

I downloaded the Biblepay wallet but it doesn’t sync, why?
https://whitewalr.us/2019/biblepay-wallet-sync-issue.html

How do I mine on the BiblePay NOMP pool?
https://whitewalr.us/2019/biblepay-nomp-pool-mining.html


3) I get disconnected from pool sometimes. I just communicated with it so I am not sure why this is happening.

stratum_recv_line failed
Stratum connection interrupted

I tried temporarily from different networks (usa, europe, asia, etc). it seems to happen regardless of where my miner traffic originates from.. i wonder if pool can handle all the workers?

is anyone else seeing the disconnect?

4) i let some miners run overnight and I think invalid shares is high again. out of 1050 submitted / only 1010 accepted. So, something like 96.1% accept rate. saturday day worked very good. but saturday night maybe more people joined pool, i don't know.

1) Port 3032 has a variable diff of 1-10 now.  I had to change a parameter.

2) Will need to read them.

3) I believe this needs a code change in the external miner.  Ill ask you to enter a github as soon as the feature is enabled.  Yeah, the pool is hardly using resources, so Im sure its handling the workers.  Its just a condition when no one in the round solves a share for 120 seconds, stratum hangs up and reconnects.  

4) 1010 out of 1050 is completely normal.  There are 8 error messages the pools check for, and that ratio is very much inline with what pool.biblepay.org experienced.  

5) Ill try to get that nomp doc out today so you can start a pool also.
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Jesus is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords
Did all the proposals pass?

When is QT being turned off? Will this be done earlier, or go hand-in-hand when all the other economic percentages change as well?

Lets carefully consider this next change.

I suppose we can start to disable it in 7 days, since the proposal won, and that will theoretically start the invitation process to more miners (despite having a high diff level).

But I am going to create a soft deadline of having PODC 2.0 released around Thanksgiving, and, definitely at that point, QT would be off, and PODC would be enabled and replacing the POG budget.



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1) can we have lower difficulty? Even 3 diff is kind of high for some computers. Could you offer difficulty of 1 or lower perhaps?

2) Wrote some new articles:

I downloaded the Biblepay wallet but it doesn’t sync, why?
https://whitewalr.us/2019/biblepay-wallet-sync-issue.html

How do I mine on the BiblePay NOMP pool?
https://whitewalr.us/2019/biblepay-nomp-pool-mining.html


3) I get disconnected from pool sometimes. I just communicated with it so I am not sure why this is happening.

stratum_recv_line failed
Stratum connection interrupted

I tried temporarily from different networks (usa, europe, asia, etc). it seems to happen regardless of where my miner traffic originates from.. i wonder if pool can handle all the workers?

is anyone else seeing the disconnect?

4) i let some miners run overnight and I think invalid shares is high again. out of 1050 submitted / only 1010 accepted. So, something like 96.1% accept rate. saturday day worked very good. but saturday night maybe more people joined pool, i don't know.
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Did all the proposals pass?

When is QT being turned off? Will this be done earlier, or go hand-in-hand when all the other economic percentages change as well?
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Nice, good to see this Smiley  

pool seems to be working fine here! (NOMP one), got my first payment about 12-15 hours after started mining
ill be leaving my CPUs here for a bit i think (till RandomXmr atleast hehe)
Good Work!
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Thanks Rob!! Looking real good on both nomp and the nomp pages on poo.lbiblepay.org Cheesy
Getting good payments on all 5 miners.
fewer restarts, no duplicates.. AWESOME!!
Thanks, at least the entire bible is now in both the core client and the external miner.

Someone can add 'read a bible verse from the miner' if they want.

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But anyway, having an external miner and pool is amazing in two weeks!
Totally agree with Sunk.
Thank you Rob for this and I'm really excited about new future features.
PODC (BTW I'm for WCG too) and external miner with NOMP pool could be interesting for newcomers.

I've been out for a while and I also agree that it would be nice to have some stats on the standalone (simple) version of nomp.  Without requiring the full blown mysql server.

I will do this:

Ill create the document to install nomp within the next 2 days.
Ill add a bounty for a nomp-stats page (similar to what pool.biblepay has) - after that doc is ready.

After that Ill work on podc 2.0 for the month of November (Im hoping we can have a release where we have a mandatory for sancs and users, but not for exchanges) for the initial phase of 2.0 - meaning we can get started with podc without hurrying to release our .14 branch (since its not ready - we still need chainlocks and we also need to resolve some things with apollon and deterministic sancs before we can finish the next mandatory version).

If no one takes the bounty before the end of Nov, or if time permits Ill try to add some stats to the current version of nomp.

In the mean time we can still use pool.biblepay to drill into the rewards (once we solve more blocks) - I see no blocks have solved in the last 6 hours, probably due to high diff - because everything appears to be working properly.



jr. member
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Thanks Rob!! Looking real good on both nomp and the nomp pages on poo.lbiblepay.org Cheesy
Getting good payments on all 5 miners.
fewer restarts, no duplicates.. AWESOME!!
newbie
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But anyway, having an external miner and pool is amazing in two weeks!
Totally agree with Sunk.
Thank you Rob for this and I'm really excited about new future features.
PODC (BTW I'm for WCG too) and external miner with NOMP pool could be interesting for newcomers.
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