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Topic: Biden is asking Congress to kill the American Bitcoin mining industry - page 2. (Read 554 times)

legendary
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He is not looking to kill it, he is trying to impose the DAME tax, DAME means Digital Asset Mining Energy, and the idea is to start with this tax from 10%, then 20% in the next year and 30% on the 3rd year.

So, the plan isn't to ban the mining, but with those huge taxes, no one will want to mine there. Is not a good business. But i don't think congress will let that tax come to live, and if it does, they will stop it before the 3rd year, because other way people will start creating illegal farms.

So Biden had decided to milk the Bitcoin mining Industry in the US while slowly killing the industry due to the imposed yearly increment of tax.  It is not a surprise because we have seen Biden eagerly wanting to regulate the Bitcoin industry and take the opportunity to profit from it.

So let us see if the US Congress will support these regulations suggested by Biden.

These anti-crypto takes by Biden are stupid. He should know that crypto is a very much booming industry and that it's going to benefit other countries massively if America kicks them all out.

This is the reason why Biden wanted to implement taxes to the industry, for the US government to gain huge income from the industry.  Whether it is bullshit or not is subjective.  For the eyes of the non-crypto people, it should be but for the miners, it is somehow suppressive.
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So, lets hear your thoughts on this and if your in the USA, which way will you vote in November ?

So this is the kind of bullshit that makes people vote for Trump (a soon-to-be convicted felon) even though he has no place near politics after what he pulled on 2021.

These anti-crypto takes by Biden are stupid. He should know that crypto is a very much booming industry and that it's going to benefit other countries massively if America kicks them all out.

And yet all those people are frothing in the mouth about "blockchain". As if you can have a blockchain without any cryptocurrency in it.
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China is a political rival of the USA, so citing their policies as an example just doesn't sound good from the mouth of the US president. The USA is among the most responsible countries when it comes to climate change, so they do need to work on implementing harsher policies. But I believe in a comprehensive approach, targeting all big consumers of energy that (and this part is very important) comes largely from ecologically harmful sources, instead of fighting the mining industry specifically. It would be both more fair and more effective.
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They pay a huge electric bill that supports power generation and people in the plant. They rent/buy the building, They pay taxes the sewage and water bills. In Texas they burn tons of excess generation that they pay for and doesn't get scuttled into "reactors" that burn of excess power into heat. During times of high grid demand the idle the machines out. These jobs pay higher than Taco Bell (nothing wrong with that job) so it's not 1 to 1. Besides they are pretty benign neighbors.

All business in one way or another do this. The additional services needed to support it. Using Taco Bell, the truck driver who gets a couple of extra drop offs a week doing the bulk food delivery. The waste oil recycling people. Probably another dozen other things. BUT politicians like to point to direct job creation. The secondary and tertiary numbers are harder to quantify. But saying I helped build this car dealer that will have 8 mechanics, a dozen sales people and all the other support staff is easy to show. AND people understand car dealership or Taco Bell.

It's just the way it is. Sad

https://youtu.be/4cF6D8zDa9U?t=13

-Dave
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Yes and no .....  

Why ?

New York (state) banned crypto mining...

`The New York Senate passed Bill S6486D banning cryptocurrency mining in the state when relying on carbon-based energy sources to power their operation.`


Just want to make the point that New York DID NOT ban mining.

1) If you had a mining facility up and running nothing changed*
2) If you wanted to setup a new mine using 100% renewable nothing changed

The * being that renewals of permits in the 2 years period that the bill is in effect for might be an issue...except for these 2 facts
1) There were 2 (3?) mines that were using old power plants that were specifically mentioned and exempt from the regualtion
and
2) There are / were no permit renewals coming though in the 2 years from the signing of the bill.



Unrelated but important a lot of places don't want large scale mining facilities due to the fact that they suck down a lot of power and don't supply many jobs.

Trust me if you had a ratio of 1 job per 100 miners you would have states clamoring to get them. But one of the ones upstate had something like 7500 miners and 15 full time workers and a couple of part time people. The local Taco Bell had more staff.....

-Dave



They pay a huge electric bill that supports power generation and people in the plant. They rent/buy the building, They pay taxes the sewage and water bills. In Texas they burn tons of excess generation that they pay for and doesn't get scuttled into "reactors" that burn of excess power into heat. During times of high grid demand the idle the machines out. These jobs pay higher than Taco Bell (nothing wrong with that job) so it's not 1 to 1. Besides they are pretty benign neighbors.
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Yes and no .....  

Why ?

New York (state) banned crypto mining...

`The New York Senate passed Bill S6486D banning cryptocurrency mining in the state when relying on carbon-based energy sources to power their operation.`


Just want to make the point that New York DID NOT ban mining.

1) If you had a mining facility up and running nothing changed*
2) If you wanted to setup a new mine using 100% renewable nothing changed

The * being that renewals of permits in the 2 years period that the bill is in effect for might be an issue...except for these 2 facts
1) There were 2 (3?) mines that were using old power plants that were specifically mentioned and exempt from the regualtion
and
2) There are / were no permit renewals coming though in the 2 years from the signing of the bill.



Unrelated but important a lot of places don't want large scale mining facilities due to the fact that they suck down a lot of power and don't supply many jobs.

Trust me if you had a ratio of 1 job per 100 miners you would have states clamoring to get them. But one of the ones upstate had something like 7500 miners and 15 full time workers and a couple of part time people. The local Taco Bell had more staff.....

-Dave

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He is not looking to kill it, he is trying to impose the DAME tax, DAME means Digital Asset Mining Energy, and the idea is to start with this tax from 10%, then 20% in the next year and 30% on the 3rd year.

So, the plan isn't to ban the mining, but with those huge taxes, no one will want to mine there. Is not a good business. But i don't think congress will let that tax come to live, and if it does, they will stop it before the 3rd year, because other way people will start creating illegal farms.
Your idea is definitely correct! Biden can make a decision on his own, but it has to go through many steps in the form of a bill, in which case congress won't approve it. Maybe allow more taxation according to you 20% or 30% etc. But if so then the black market mining will increase which may deprive the US administration of huge amount of tax collection.

Despite all these odds, the impact on Bitcoin's price is minimal and its price will cross the mandatory target of $100k very soon. Bitcoin price is at the highest level in the last 200 days.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
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So, lets hear your thoughts on this and if your in the USA, which way will you vote in November ?
Your question seems to create self-centeredness and division, and to what, Bitcoin mining? So, you mean this is the right place and avenue to ask for an election view? For me, it is off. You see, people often like to fake things simply because they want to exploit your weakness and gain from you, they could say or do whatever will please you just to achieve their aims. But for this administration to be natural enough and not mind the election coming to do what they believe is right for the US people is heroic on its own. Unlike what Donald Trump is doing now trying to campaign in line with people's minds whether it is the right thing or not, that's when you see people hailing him. It's all politics, it's all selfishness, just a desperate attempt to get there.

I see no reason why it should be mentioned in tax-related discussions like this. After all, the gradual tax initiative will be subjected to the House and not Biden alone, which means it is not Biden's government alone doing this if it eventually goes through, there will be a vote. And this tax is for the good of the American people, I wonder if it is Biden alone who will benefit from this.

Needless to say, miners are not even worth fighting for, let them remit part of what they earn too.


legendary
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If other states follow their lead, which some have, it's game over for most unless you can find another power source that gets round the ban or move to another state that's crypto friendly.

There are states that are also refusing to give out permits / renew them for mining farms as well.

And there are states like Texas that allow mining, oppose any bitcoin mining bans, openly invite miners to the state and claim that miners help stabilize the grid.

Biden is shooting himself in the knee before election, or rather is being thrown under the bus by someone, probably Warren, because Biden doesn't understand bitcoin and doesn't know if mining is good or bad. He repeats what he's being told by his staff who claim to know the technology and have a clear (negative) stance.

Biden seems to underestimate how many people support bitcoin in the US and doing this will not buy him more votes, but I guess he wants to be in opposition to Trump who said some good things about bitcoin.

Whatever happens, people will do what they always do - move the business elsewhere. Not all states will impose the tax if the bill ever passes (which I doubt it will) and states like Texas or Virginia will continue to support bitcoin.

Looks like the attack on bitcoin to stop the bull market is ongoing.
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Now, before I get into deep water with any moderators here, this topic is not here to start a fight, so please keep it on topic.

Looking for everyone's thoughts on this, please keep the political content to a minimum.

This story got posted today....

https://cointelegraph.com/news/biden-is-asking-congress-to-kill-the-american-bitcoin-mining-industry

So, lets hear your thoughts on this and if your in the USA, which way will you vote in November ?

From the article;
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President Biden is asking Congress to take aim at the American Bitcoin mining industry — and he's citing China as an example for the United States to follow.
To the best of my knowledge, US and China can be said to be economic rivals. US does not do something because China has done so, rather they will tend to do the opposite if possible. I strongly believe US liberty ideology and that is the reason I think bitcoin will continue to have a place in the United States economy.

Well, op you asked we shouldn't be too political here. But I think users of US origin might want to take it more political.
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Ever since this administration came into power, everything turned to shit, so this does not surprise ,one bit


Bitcoin is up 500% since Biden was elected.

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Op lolz! You don't want a political argument but that your thread is purely political. American Government wants to imitate another country (China) behavior towards bitcoin. One thing they don't understand in this innovation is that it is because the other country openly said they are not interested in Bitcoin does not mean they're not interested and probably they just want to operate in the anonymity and investing in it from underground. And I don't think the congress will accept his request to ban bitcoin mining.

Op you don't even make small input on the topic and you just want everyone to read the article from the link. Which we don't even know if is not true. Your input was also needed.
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I really don’t understand how the usa is so against the use of bitcoin or just cryptocurrencies. You’d think a country that is focused with development and capitalism would be on board with using bitcoin. It is literally what they do best, isn’t it? Finance and tech.

So, lets hear your thoughts on this and if your in the USA, which way will you vote in November ?

You said to put the political content to a limit but with this question it’s basically impossible. You know that you can not just vote for one single factor only. I wouldn’t explain much but the question is difficult and almost impossible.
legendary
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He is not looking to kill it, he is trying to impose the DAME tax, DAME means Digital Asset Mining Energy, and the idea is to start with this tax from 10%, then 20% in the next year and 30% on the 3rd year.

So, the plan isn't to ban the mining, but with those huge taxes, no one will want to mine there. Is not a good business. But i don't think congress will let that tax come to live, and if it does, they will stop it before the 3rd year, because other way people will start creating illegal farms.

That's same as killing! I see no difference!

30% tax rate is unreasonable. In my country, government has imposed 30% tax as well. As a result lot of domestic exchanges have gone into loss. A lot of people have resorted to P2P trading to stay outside of government radar.

Such tax rate will effectively destroy the entire US crypto mining industry.
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Tax is theft and wielded as a weapon.

Biden doesn't give a rats ass about the environment or power use. It has been proven to be good to the environment ad nauseam.

He hates bitcoin and what it represents, part of his overall plan to kill the American economy and middle class.

His Chinese handlers killed it for the same reason and he is caring out their wishes here on many fronts.

Ray Charles can see this one.
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Ever since this administration came into power, everything turned to shit, so this does not surprise ,one bit
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He is not looking to kill it, he is trying to impose the DAME tax, DAME means Digital Asset Mining Energy, and the idea is to start with this tax from 10%, then 20% in the next year and 30% on the 3rd year.
And each subsequent year increase the tax rate by 10% until it reaches 100%? Smiley

Why are such “privileged” conditions created for mining? For example, the oil production tax is 0.5% (Kentucky) - 12.5% ​​(Alaska). I assume that this is only part of the tax burden, but certainly not a total of 30%. 30% is an extortionate interest rate.
 
So, the plan isn't to ban the mining, but with those huge taxes, no one will want to mine there. Is not a good business. But i don't think congress will let that tax come to live, and if it does, they will stop it before the 3rd year, because other way people will start creating illegal farms.
It looks like the US wants to “kick out” “non-environmentally friendly” mining from the country, but I think the real reason is the excessive greed of the regulator.

Either mining businesses will “flee” from the states, or will become completely illegal.

Tax it to death or ban it still = kill it in the USA no matter what.
Excessively high taxes will “strangle” any business. If a country wants to develop (attract) business in this direction, then they set a 0% tax rate. Look at the United Arab Emirates, where without their tax incentives not a single business would move, because who needs a desert. But now it's like a business mecca.

Sad thing is that it will cost people their jobs, be it miners, traders and exchanges that operate in the USA with either route they take.
These people will receive money through 10\20\30% taxes indirectly in the form of benefits, tax breaks and other things.

Here's the other sad thing, AI is power hungry too, as are all the data centers that we rely on for day to day things, Gov servers (IRS, Defence, police, DMV etc), traffic control systems, banking, the internet and all the servers and routers and network switches and distribution nodes for the cables in the sea and on land that we rely on day to day for the internet to work.

Why single out BTC / crypto with it's electric consumption ?
And I'm of the same opinion. It looks like discrimination, because this is a business like everything else.
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From the start the Biden administration was not very pro towards Bitcoin mining in their country. It may seem that it is just imposing quite high taxes on this industry, but it is like slowly injecting this industry to death from the country. Maybe this old man thinks that it has no impact on their country's economy and it will only add to the problems in their country, so maybe he quite agrees that imposing high taxes on the Bitcoin mining industry is a good move. What a doll.
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He is not looking to kill it, he is trying to impose the DAME tax, DAME means Digital Asset Mining Energy, and the idea is to start with this tax from 10%, then 20% in the next year and 30% on the 3rd year.
From how you have described the tax structure that is about to come, clearly this is one way of killing something, in this case BTC.
Think of it in terms of say imposing tax on imported goods while leaving Locally produced items tax free, this means local goods look favourable to consumers as they will be cheaper to acquire and this is the same theory that will apply to BTC to bring back the Green Buck demand...

So, the plan isn't to ban the mining, but with those huge taxes, no one will want to mine there. Is not a good business. But i don't think congress will let that tax come to live, and if it does, they will stop it before the 3rd year, because other way people will start creating illegal farms.
Guess miners are being shown the exit door...
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This has been discussed before Biden resurrects 30% crypto mining tax in new budget proposal, it will be implemented in the next year.

So, lets hear your thoughts on this and if your in the USA, which way will you vote in November ?
Trump will win.

When Biden become president, Russian invaded Ukraine and Israel attacks Palestine. He also not friendly to Bitcoin. While many people especially the young one is interested to invest in Bitcoin, Trump is quite friendly to Bitcoin.
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