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legendary
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Trusted Bitcoiner
August 25, 2015, 01:20:35 PM
#75


Bitcoin XT 0.11.0 is now showing as the most popular client version.  As node count increased by a few thousand just today, it's likely these numbers are due in part to the pseudo node trick described here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3i1dra/psa_its_super_easy_to_manipulate_the_node_count_i/

Correction: https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3iao3i/how_to_run_3000_completely_legit_full_nodes_aka/

LOL

did they think no one would notice?
legendary
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Merit: 1087
August 25, 2015, 01:18:13 PM
#74



This address 17J2X8gcNKAinqsgLLXjLfdYm8bakNDA6H with 2.45BTC supports BIP101. 201508250426UTC

IN7Pm25ViuDNtUeW+6m5ywv6osLtGk5D4nc7aAlvWdNJLnMd9O96Qc7mO0FXVDpyIAiWfIVYLqoWrOZz0V5K/r0=

Thank you. First page updated.
hero member
Activity: 686
Merit: 500
August 25, 2015, 12:31:21 PM
#73



This address 17J2X8gcNKAinqsgLLXjLfdYm8bakNDA6H with 2.45BTC supports BIP101. 201508250426UTC

IN7Pm25ViuDNtUeW+6m5ywv6osLtGk5D4nc7aAlvWdNJLnMd9O96Qc7mO0FXVDpyIAiWfIVYLqoWrOZz0V5K/r0=
legendary
Activity: 1792
Merit: 1087
August 25, 2015, 02:32:31 AM
#72


Bitcoin XT 0.11.0 is now showing as the most popular client version.  As node count increased by a few thousand just today, it's likely these numbers are due in part to the pseudo node trick described here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3i1dra/psa_its_super_easy_to_manipulate_the_node_count_i/

Correction: https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3iao3i/how_to_run_3000_completely_legit_full_nodes_aka/

Most of them come from the same IP with different ports, e.g. 178.62.216.43

I think https://getaddr.bitnodes.io should ignore all nodes that are not on port 8333. This should substantially increase of cost of the attack
legendary
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Merit: 1007
August 25, 2015, 02:07:17 AM
#71


Bitcoin XT 0.11.0 is now showing as the most popular client version.  As node count increased by a few thousand just today, it's likely these numbers are due in part to the pseudo node trick described here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3i1dra/psa_its_super_easy_to_manipulate_the_node_count_i/

Correction: https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3iao3i/how_to_run_3000_completely_legit_full_nodes_aka/
legendary
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Merit: 1087
August 25, 2015, 12:37:16 AM
#70
I have removed a number of posts. May I remind you the rules of this thread:

1. This is a self-moderated thread. Posts violating the rules may be removed.
2. This thread is NOT for big block debate, including the discussion of pros and cons of different proposals and implementations. If you want to debate please go somewhere else. I believe there are plenty of places for this.
3. I don't want this tread being censored. Please avoid directly mentioning or linking any specific big block enabling bitcoin client. For sarcasm or not, call them BitcoinXX, Bitcoin**, BitcoinCensored, etc. Welcome to internet censorship (Based on the recent moderation style in this forum, this seems not necessary now)
4. No trolling
5. I will moderate more strictly if you have an ad-sig.
legendary
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
August 24, 2015, 06:28:21 PM
#69
Blocktrail showing pool support

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC
legendary
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legendary
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In Satoshi I Trust
August 24, 2015, 02:07:09 PM
#67
indeed. the industry leaders know that bigger blocks are necessary in the mid term.
legendary
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August 24, 2015, 12:40:16 PM
#66
Official announcement for BIP101 support.

- Bitpay

- Xapo

- Circle

- Bitgo

- Bitnet

- KnC Miners

- Blockchain.info

http://blog.blockchain.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Industry-Block-Size-letter-All-Signed.pdf

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Our companies will be ready for larger blocks by December 2015 and we will run
code that supports this.

Thanks, I'm just going to post this.

"we will run code that supports this." Does it mean Bitcoin XX?

I'm pretty sure it means: If Core doesn't implement it, then it will be XT.
legendary
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Merit: 1087
August 24, 2015, 12:23:30 PM
#65
Official announcement for BIP101 support.

- Bitpay

- Xapo

- Circle

- Bitgo

- Bitnet

- KnC Miners

- Blockchain.info

http://blog.blockchain.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Industry-Block-Size-letter-All-Signed.pdf

Quote
Our companies will be ready for larger blocks by December 2015 and we will run
code that supports this.

Thanks, I'm just going to post this.

"we will run code that supports this." Does it mean Bitcoin XX?
legendary
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Merit: 1000
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August 24, 2015, 11:35:55 AM
#64
Official announcement for BIP101 support.

- Bitpay

- Xapo

- Circle

- Bitgo

- Bitnet

- KnC Miners

- Blockchain.info

http://blog.blockchain.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Industry-Block-Size-letter-All-Signed.pdf

Quote
Our companies will be ready for larger blocks by December 2015 and we will run
code that supports this.
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 500
August 24, 2015, 04:39:44 AM
#63
Seems like there is even another argument, why node-count is a really bad indicator for XT-success:
https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3i1dra/psa_its_super_easy_to_manipulate_the_node_count_i/

Besides that: Has anybody looked at https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/ recently?
There are only 35.8% running the newest version of Bitcoin Core. (0.11.0)
And even that is not really guaranteed, since you could easily change what is sent.
My guess is, that a lot of full node provider have a customized version, but didn't bother to change this identity-string. That would also be a good indicator, why so many full nodes are not on an up-to-date-version(since merging in a customized version is more work).
There could even be people who have merged BIP101 into their customized version, but didn't change the identity-string, since they are not aware, that there are people looking at that.
But, how many full node provider might have be in one of this scenarios is purely speculative.
hero member
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Litecoin Association Director
August 23, 2015, 10:12:35 PM
#62
Just re-posting my message on mailing list here:

There is one, and only one scenario that BitcoinXX will win: it is supported by major exchanges, merchants, and investors, and they request miners to support it. When BIP101 is activated, these exchanges will refuse to accept or exchange tokens from the old chain. Miners in the old chain can't sell their newly generated coins and can't pay the electricity bill. They will soon realize that they are mining fool's gold and will be forced to switch to the new chain or sell their ASIC. The old chain will be abandoned and has no hope to revive without a hardfork to decrease the difficulty. The dust will settle in days if not hours.

Will the adoption of BitcoinXX lead by miners? No, it won't. Actually, Chinese miners who control 60% of the network has already said that they would not adopt XX. So they must not be the leader in this revolution. Again, miners need to make sure they could sell their bitcoin in a good price, and that's not possible without support of exchanges and investors.

What about that Not-Bitcoin-XX? The creator of the spoof client may stay anonymous, but the miners cannot. 95% of the blocks come from known entities and they have to be responsible to their actions. And again, they have real money in stake. If bitcoin is destroyed, their ASIC serves at best as very inefficient heaters.

So Bitcoin-XX is basically in a win-all-or-lose-all position. It all relies on one condition: the support of major exchanges, merchants, and investors. Their consensus is what really matters. With their consensus, that could not be a Schism hardfork. Without their consensus, nothing will happen.


I'm working on an unbiased paper for the scaling Bitcoin workshop, so far my research shows some very.....interesting results. Right now it looks like BitcoinXT is not sustainable at all. Long term, well I guess everyone needs to see what my research digs up (because I've more or less just started, but I have been able to draw some conclusions so far).
legendary
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Merit: 1009
August 22, 2015, 04:32:05 PM
#61
Only now noticed... Two more blocks were mined with big block support. Were they from Slush too or do we have a new miner?
legendary
Activity: 1792
Merit: 1087
August 21, 2015, 11:41:37 PM
#60

This one is interesting. The sentiment is changing. If people feel the situation becomes really intolerable, they will press the nuke button

Just more cheap, obvious talk.   Roll Eyes

"..IF we see majority has switched"

XT's legions of potential second/third movers do no good if it's too risky for the first wave of defections from Bitcoin Core's 6 year old, $5 billion socioeconomic majority.

Where are all the tweets of people declaring they can't wait to be the first to stick their necks out by accepting XTcoins?   Grin

Sentiment may change very rapidly if things become really intolerable. That may happen when the fee for a standard 225 bytes tx is increased to > 1USD. We are still far from such tipping point
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
August 21, 2015, 10:53:10 PM
#59

This one is interesting. The sentiment is changing. If people feel the situation becomes really intolerable, they will press the nuke button

Just more cheap, obvious talk.   Roll Eyes

"..IF we see majority has switched"

XT's legions of potential second/third movers do no good if it's too risky for the first wave of defections from Bitcoin Core's 6 year old, $5 billion socioeconomic majority.

Where are all the tweets of people declaring they can't wait to be the first to stick their necks out by accepting XTcoins?   Grin
newbie
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Merit: 0
August 21, 2015, 04:56:28 PM
#58
Good topic! I like.
member
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Merit: 10
August 21, 2015, 03:26:25 PM
#57
and it is only 2 days old. there is a reason why the software was released MONTHS before we NEED that software. because some clever folks have the ability to predict what will happen in the future and it is good to be prepared.

Yes. With such people should be friends! Wink
legendary
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Welt Am Draht
August 21, 2015, 03:22:15 PM
#56

I am not so sure, I got the impression that big miners are selling their coins to the OTC market which can be pretty broad. hard to tell though.


I'm sure that's very possible but I think we often underestimate how little of a shit China gives to the things drive us batty on here though.
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