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legendary
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August 21, 2015, 02:19:47 PM
#55

So Bitcoin-XX is basically in a win-all-or-lose-all position. It all relies on one condition: the support of major exchanges, merchants, and investors. Their consensus is what really matters. With their consensus, that could not be a Schism hardfork. Without their consensus, nothing will happen.


China is fundamentally disconnected from everywhere else though. There might be an outside possibility that certain Chinese miners and exchanges might attempt to soldier on. They don't sell in the West and Chinese traders probably barely have a clue who Coinbase or Bitpay are. It's very unlikely but if they're that turned off by XT and it's looking like a winner they might attempt it.

I am not so sure, I got the impression that big miners are selling their coins to the OTC market which can be pretty broad. hard to tell though.
legendary
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Welt Am Draht
August 21, 2015, 02:17:16 PM
#54

So Bitcoin-XX is basically in a win-all-or-lose-all position. It all relies on one condition: the support of major exchanges, merchants, and investors. Their consensus is what really matters. With their consensus, that could not be a Schism hardfork. Without their consensus, nothing will happen.


China is fundamentally disconnected from everywhere else though. There might be an outside possibility that certain Chinese miners and exchanges might attempt to soldier on. They don't sell in the West and Chinese traders probably barely have a clue who Coinbase or Bitpay are. It's very unlikely but if they're that turned off by XT and it's looking like a winner they might attempt it.
legendary
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NiceHash.com
August 21, 2015, 02:13:31 PM
#53
We also shared some information about NiceHash and Bitcoin XT (nothing changes for NiceHash, we are trying to stay neutral in this matter): https://www.nicehash.com/index.jsp?p=news&id=31 … Keep on hashing Wink
legendary
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August 21, 2015, 01:14:11 PM
#52
Just re-posting my message on mailing list here:

There is one, and only one scenario that BitcoinXX will win: it is supported by major exchanges, merchants, and investors, and they request miners to support it. When BIP101 is activated, these exchanges will refuse to accept or exchange tokens from the old chain. Miners in the old chain can't sell their newly generated coins and can't pay the electricity bill. They will soon realize that they are mining fool's gold and will be forced to switch to the new chain or sell their ASIC. The old chain will be abandoned and has no hope to revive without a hardfork to decrease the difficulty. The dust will settle in days if not hours.

Will the adoption of BitcoinXX lead by miners? No, it won't. Actually, Chinese miners who control 60% of the network has already said that they would not adopt XX. So they must not be the leader in this revolution. Again, miners need to make sure they could sell their bitcoin in a good price, and that's not possible without support of exchanges and investors.

What about that Not-Bitcoin-XX? The creator of the spoof client may stay anonymous, but the miners cannot. 95% of the blocks come from known entities and they have to be responsible to their actions. And again, they have real money in stake. If bitcoin is destroyed, their ASIC serves at best as very inefficient heaters.

So Bitcoin-XX is basically in a win-all-or-lose-all position. It all relies on one condition: the support of major exchanges, merchants, and investors. Their consensus is what really matters. With their consensus, that could not be a Schism hardfork. Without their consensus, nothing will happen.
legendary
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August 21, 2015, 01:07:09 PM
#51

This one is interesting. The sentiment is changing. If people feel the situation becomes really intolerable, they will press the nuke button
legendary
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newbie
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legendary
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August 20, 2015, 11:49:57 AM
#47
BIP 103 is a bad joke - 2MB in the year 2021  Cheesy

This thread is not for discussion of which proposal is good or bad, so your comment is deleted.
legendary
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August 20, 2015, 11:48:31 AM
#46
Slush allows miners to choose whether they want to mine a BIP101 block or non-BIP101 block: https://twitter.com/slush_pool/status/634056538190168064
legendary
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August 18, 2015, 09:52:59 PM
#45

There are hundreds if not thousands of proposals like this. They won't be included unless a BIP number is assigned, or I believe it's very likely to be assigned.
legendary
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August 18, 2015, 09:50:18 PM
#44
It's happening

Slush has found the first BIP101 block at height 370434, 2015-08-18 18:09:27 UTC

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/block/00000000000000000174419fa2ba5003e123dbd97c6982aff1863f016b04789d
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
August 18, 2015, 04:44:12 PM
#42
UPDATE: 201508160615UTC,



Big block supporting full nodes + NotXT nodes + Pseudonodes: 242/5898 = 4.1%

source: http://**nodes.com


It took some work, but I fixed it for you.
legendary
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August 18, 2015, 02:59:25 PM
#41
And we have the first block mined with a client with big block support!

Block 370434 by Slush
legendary
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August 17, 2015, 12:40:45 PM
#40
Update: 201508171735UTC



Increasing steadily. Please note that there are attempts to contaminate the data by spoofing clients. However, the growth looks natural to me: faster at the first 2 days, and now become slower.
legendary
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August 16, 2015, 08:36:18 PM
#39
Looks like the reason we are not seeing a more rapid increase in nodes is the time it takes to synch the blockchain? Could epxlain the sudden surge in nodes, all syncing for a week to come online around the same time?

I don't think you need to be synced before you are visible on https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/

In fact, many BIP101 nodes are syncing, suggesting that they are new ones:
Do you think it is possible that someone is simply setting up tons of Bitcoin XT nodes just to make it seem like there is more support for it?


Someone has created a client which is totally identical to BitcoinXX but actually not supporting BIP101 and will mine blocks with version 0x20000007. This is my response.

Quote from: jl2012
getnodes is never reliable as people can always use a botnet to run whatever clients they want. All you are doing is to make XX looks stronger, thank you.

For mining, >90% miners are not anonymous, and >68% has already announced their supports to a block size increase. They may not adopt XX, but don't you believe they will sabotage XX with their real names?

Nice try and try harder.


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Also, am I the first person to do this?
Code:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Comment: Signed by Bitcoin Armory v0.93.2

This address 16mT7jrpkjnJBD7a3TM2awyxHub58H6r6Z with 0.58531338 BTC as of 201508162045UTC supports a combination of BIP 100 and BIP 101 where the voting system and upgrading mechanism from BIP 100 is used as a voting system for voting for the next step increase proposed in the block increase scheme in BIP 101. E.g. for each step up increase proposed in BIP 101, the BIP 100 voting is used to determine whether to go ahead with the increase or postpone for a later date.
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----


G+Rr7xlQ4ClP55DeJnGGLJma05axXpIxYmeP01zBvuS2v/apjx9jGWrEIFYIPwhN
8y57DUgYlpJnwX7zcVnNbyY=
=LwIm
-----END BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----

Yes. Your message is quoted.
staff
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Just writing some code
August 16, 2015, 03:46:40 PM
#38
Looks like the reason we are not seeing a more rapid increase in nodes is the time it takes to synch the blockchain? Could epxlain the sudden surge in nodes, all syncing for a week to come online around the same time?

I don't think you need to be synced before you are visible on https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/

In fact, many BIP101 nodes are syncing, suggesting that they are new ones:
Do you think it is possible that someone is simply setting up tons of Bitcoin XT nodes just to make it seem like there is more support for it?

Also, am I the first person to do this?
Code:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Comment: Signed by Bitcoin Armory v0.93.2

This address 16mT7jrpkjnJBD7a3TM2awyxHub58H6r6Z with 0.58531338 BTC as of 201508162045UTC supports a combination of BIP 100 and BIP 101 where the voting system and upgrading mechanism from BIP 100 is used as a voting system for voting for the next step increase proposed in the block increase scheme in BIP 101. E.g. for each step up increase proposed in BIP 101, the BIP 100 voting is used to determine whether to go ahead with the increase or postpone for a later date.
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----


G+Rr7xlQ4ClP55DeJnGGLJma05axXpIxYmeP01zBvuS2v/apjx9jGWrEIFYIPwhN
8y57DUgYlpJnwX7zcVnNbyY=
=LwIm
-----END BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
legendary
Activity: 1792
Merit: 1111
August 16, 2015, 01:30:25 PM
#37
Looks like the reason we are not seeing a more rapid increase in nodes is the time it takes to synch the blockchain? Could epxlain the sudden surge in nodes, all syncing for a week to come online around the same time?

I don't think you need to be synced before you are visible on https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/

In fact, many BIP101 nodes are syncing, suggesting that they are new ones:

legendary
Activity: 1946
Merit: 1007
August 16, 2015, 01:23:52 PM
#36
Looks like the reason we are not seeing a more rapid increase in nodes is the time it takes to synch the blockchain? Could epxlain the sudden surge in nodes, all syncing for a week to come online around the same time?
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