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Quote from: mezzaluna on August 27, 2020, 11:59:37 AM

Quote from: Salauddin1994 on August 13, 2020, 11:23:46 AM

It's hard to say which country is the biggest winner during COVID because it is China at first but it is berth with other countries to invent a vaccine to control the virus. No country can be a complete winner without a vaccine now Russia is far ahead. Russia could be far ahead if they are already planning to invent a vaccine to control the virus. Without a vaccine face mask sanitizers can never protect against the effects of the virus.

We can still actually say that even though there are no best winners, we can say that New Zealand was the country that has the best response even before the vaccine was produced. They were able to mitigate and cautiously taken care of the infected people while keeping people safe around their own works. Even now, they are not wearing mask because they know there are no virus spreading around because people are honest to say that they might have the virus.

New Zealand is successful in implementing those protocols and the citizens really following it to maintain their country as COVID-free but I guess they are not the real winner here. The real winner is the country who is now climbing at the top even though they're being affected by the pandemic in the early days and that's China. They made a huge sacrifice and it made a good impact on their economy which is why they're winning on the economic war with other countries.

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Quote from: mezzaluna on August 27, 2020, 11:59:37 AM

Quote from: Salauddin1994 on August 13, 2020, 11:23:46 AM

It's hard to say which country is the biggest winner during COVID because it is China at first but it is berth with other countries to invent a vaccine to control the virus. No country can be a complete winner without a vaccine now Russia is far ahead. Russia could be far ahead if they are already planning to invent a vaccine to control the virus. Without a vaccine face mask sanitizers can never protect against the effects of the virus.

We can still actually say that even though there are no best winners, we can say that New Zealand was the country that has the best response even before the vaccine was produced. They were able to mitigate and cautiously taken care of the infected people while keeping people safe around their own works. Even now, they are not wearing mask because they know there are no virus spreading around because people are honest to say that they might have the virus.

Mezzaluna you got it wrong, the context is about profit, the biggest winners, people who made most profit during this hard times
for many. And there are winners, do some research about it and you will see how big profit some companies made.
For me the main point here is that not everything is black as governments are saying. Not everything is clear who is losing, who
is winning, it's too much manipulations for me, I don't like that sort of things.

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Quote from: Salauddin1994 on August 13, 2020, 11:23:46 AM

It's hard to say which country is the biggest winner during COVID because it is China at first but it is berth with other countries to invent a vaccine to control the virus. No country can be a complete winner without a vaccine now Russia is far ahead. Russia could be far ahead if they are already planning to invent a vaccine to control the virus. Without a vaccine face mask sanitizers can never protect against the effects of the virus.

We can still actually say that even though there are no best winners, we can say that New Zealand was the country that has the best response even before the vaccine was produced. They were able to mitigate and cautiously taken care of the infected people while keeping people safe around their own works. Even now, they are not wearing mask because they know there are no virus spreading around because people are honest to say that they might have the virus.

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Quote from: naikturun on August 22, 2020, 04:53:18 AM

everyone will not die, even a greater pandemic in the previous year has occurred and an estimate of infecting 1/3 of the total population of the world and causing the death of 50 million people.while corona has only 24 million cases so far, and a temporary victim of 800 people, we don't know what will happen next but for sure they will think of a way to get out of here.

24 million, you think that is small? If you didn't know, The Flu pandemic that killed 50 million has three waves while Covid-19 is only in its 1st wave going to the 2nd wave and we are now seeing 20+ millions of death. Just imagine if 2 more waves will happen, so please don't underestimate this virus. We need to trust the ones that knows how to stop the contamination, as an individual, the best we can do is to follow them. If we all can do that, we are not just the biggest winners, the country will too.

Spanish flu managed to kill so many people, because the medical technology was not advanced back then. If I am not wrong, at that time not a single vaccine existed against the viruses. Also, there was inadequate information available regarding the pandemic, and as a result the governments were very late in quarantining and isolating infected foreign visitors. Back then, the fatality rate was around 10%. For COVID 19, the same is less than 1%.

but the rate of transmission that occurs with covid-19 is very scary and for me% cannot be used as a measure that there are fewer deaths and means nothing to worry about.
not an answer that can be a justification, because even though the mortality rate is small because there is anticipation from parents and having comorbidities so as not to travel and stay at home. if there is no prohibition, it is certain that the death rate will also be high. Just try to get infected, quite a lot, there are a lot of them because the immune system supports it. but not for those who have comorbidities, this is very worrying.

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Quote from: naikturun on August 22, 2020, 04:53:18 AM

everyone will not die, even a greater pandemic in the previous year has occurred and an estimate of infecting 1/3 of the total population of the world and causing the death of 50 million people.while corona has only 24 million cases so far, and a temporary victim of 800 people, we don't know what will happen next but for sure they will think of a way to get out of here.

24 million, you think that is small? If you didn't know, The Flu pandemic that killed 50 million has three waves while Covid-19 is only in its 1st wave going to the 2nd wave and we are now seeing 20+ millions of death. Just imagine if 2 more waves will happen, so please don't underestimate this virus. We need to trust the ones that knows how to stop the contamination, as an individual, the best we can do is to follow them. If we all can do that, we are not just the biggest winners, the country will too.

Spanish flu managed to kill so many people, because the medical technology was not advanced back then. If I am not wrong, at that time not a single vaccine existed against the viruses. Also, there was inadequate information available regarding the pandemic, and as a result the governments were very late in quarantining and isolating infected foreign visitors. Back then, the fatality rate was around 10%. For COVID 19, the same is less than 1%.

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Quote from: fillippone on August 21, 2020, 03:48:01 PM

Welcome to the capital intensive, high productivity economy of the XXI century.
Labour used to be cheap, now it is cheaper in China.
Technology has a massive scale factor. Bigger is better.

I think labour become cheaper because of the machine, they are just putting the man's work because they need to produce job for people. Years from now we'll have much higher unemployment rate from growing population and improving technology every year. A 5 man job could do by a single machine with 1 man operating to it.

The biggest winner here, though we can't tell that the pandemic is a blessing but we can't deny the growth of the huge companies that you have said, still they got the benefit out of this problem.
Seems the situation is getting lighter, but can't still tell now where are we heading.

And this is only going to get worse, with the advances on artificial intelligence jobs that we thought could never be replaced by machines are in fact being replaced by machines, how long it is going to take for computers, bots and robots to supplant the majority of the workforce around the world? I think that at most this is going to take a few decades and after that the current economic system that we have is going to collapse, after all many people not only work to put food on the table they do it also because they get a sense of realization out of it and that may not be available in the future.

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Quote from: naikturun on August 22, 2020, 04:53:18 AM

everyone will not die, even a greater pandemic in the previous year has occurred and an estimate of infecting 1/3 of the total population of the world and causing the death of 50 million people.while corona has only 24 million cases so far, and a temporary victim of 800 people, we don't know what will happen next but for sure they will think of a way to get out of here.

24 million, you think that is small? If you didn't know, The Flu pandemic that killed 50 million has three waves while Covid-19 is only in its 1st wave going to the 2nd wave and we are now seeing 20+ millions of death. Just imagine if 2 more waves will happen, so please don't underestimate this virus. We need to trust the ones that knows how to stop the contamination, as an individual, the best we can do is to follow them. If we all can do that, we are not just the biggest winners, the country will too.

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Companies like Amazon and eBay are I think the biggest winners right now.

Quote from: iyamoxjhian on August 21, 2020, 09:59:50 PM

it's really hard to tell it.. because of this pandemic.. we have a huge loss all over the world..many people died..most of the fronliners died..economy dies..people in the community slowly dies..virus spreading fastly.. government and medical professionals don't know how to eliminates this..so there's no winning here..hopefully we dont get to the point that everyone dies... we are in a helpless situation right now..

Since we don't have any cure yet, it is obvious that med professionals don't know how to eliminate it so the only cure right now that is working is if your body is tough enough to fight the virus itself but aside from that there is no cure yet. I don't think too that all of the people dies lols. That phrase is over-exaggerated and even the worst pandemic happened (Spanish Flu) didn't wiped out the whole humanity Cheesy

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I can't say too that we are in a helpless situation right now. There are still some people who are helping other people even we are in a pandemic and this will continue until the pandemic is over. We will rise together

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Quote from: iyamoxjhian on August 21, 2020, 09:59:50 PM

it's really hard to tell it.. because of this pandemic.. we have a huge loss all over the world..many people died..most of the fronliners died..economy dies..people in the community slowly dies..virus spreading fastly.. government and medical professionals don't know how to eliminates this..so there's no winning here..hopefully we dont get to the point that everyone dies... we are in a helpless situation right now..

everyone will not die, even a greater pandemic in the previous year has occurred and an estimate of infecting 1/3 of the total population of the world and causing the death of 50 million people.while corona has only 24 million cases so far, and a temporary victim of 800 people, we don't know what will happen next but for sure they will think of a way to get out of here.

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it's really hard to tell it.. because of this pandemic.. we have a huge loss all over the world..many people died..most of the fronliners died..economy dies..people in the community slowly dies..virus spreading fastly.. government and medical professionals don't know how to eliminates this..so there's no winning here..hopefully we dont get to the point that everyone dies... we are in a helpless situation right now..

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Quote from: fillippone on August 21, 2020, 03:48:01 PM

Welcome to the capital intensive, high productivity economy of the XXI century.
Labour used to be cheap, now it is cheaper in China.
Technology has a massive scale factor. Bigger is better.

I think labour become cheaper because of the machine, they are just putting the man's work because they need to produce job for people. Years from now we'll have much higher unemployment rate from growing population and improving technology every year. A 5 man job could do by a single machine with 1 man operating to it.

The biggest winner here, though we can't tell that the pandemic is a blessing but we can't deny the growth of the huge companies that you have said, still they got the benefit out of this problem.
Seems the situation is getting lighter, but can't still tell now where are we heading.

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Quote from: gentlemand on August 21, 2020, 02:40:05 PM

This is a telling Tweet from a geezer who runs a payment processing company.

https://twitter.com/DanPriceSeattle/status/1296519368336011265

These companies have the muscle and resilience to keep the convenience flowing and growing. Ultimately the outcome for other countries will be less relevant to all of us than the businesses in our own countries.

Welcome to the capital intensive, high productivity economy of the XXI century.
Labour used to be cheap, now it is cheaper in China.
Technology has a massive scale factor. Bigger is better.
FAANG Need Capital (Stock market) not labour to grow.
Paradox: when Amazon put his capital at service of the smaller business (Amazon Marketplace) EU start looking for anti-competitive frauds.
FED and COVID are, in opposite direction, only adding gas to the fuel.

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This is a telling Tweet from a geezer who runs a payment processing company.

https://twitter.com/DanPriceSeattle/status/1296519368336011265

These companies have the muscle and resilience to keep the convenience flowing and growing. Ultimately the outcome for other countries will be less relevant to all of us than the businesses in our own countries.

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Quote from: Nhor1011 on August 17, 2020, 02:24:09 PM

The biggest winner during covid will be the country that can provide a vaccine for covid virus and sell it at a highest price.That'swhy if you have money ,you will live but if you are among the poorest of the poor that do not have capacity to buy a vaccine for sure you will die because of covid. The cure is the essential part of this pandemic, with out it,I think there will be no winner on this covid virus. Only the VIRUS will become the winner.

It's unlikely that things are going to work the way to describe them, the vaccine is only going to be available to governments and most likely private institutions are not going to get a hold of it, if governments do this right then it is obvious that those that are the most vulnerable should be the ones that get the vaccine first and if this is done globally then the mortality rate of the virus should plummet which is the most important statistic, after all even if at the end most of the population of the world gets sick it doesn't matter if it is just the flu to them and they survive.

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The increasing spread of the coronavirus across countries has prompted many governments to introduce unprecedented measures to contain the epidemic. These measures have led to many businesses being shut down temporarily, widespread restrictions on travel and mobility, financial market turmoil, an erosion of confidence and heighted uncertainty. We will undertsand this effects after.

It is the current unprecedented measures to combat the spread of the coronavirus that seem to me the strangest now, because they clearly and openly cause colossal harm to the economies of all states, and the danger of this coronavirus is too exaggerated and the fear of this virus is deliberately raised. Something strange and grand is happening that has never happened before. Now it is difficult to say who is behind this, but the world is being pushed towards mass poverty and poverty. The winner is somewhere too high, it is not even a separate industry. The real reason for the current events will become visible much later.

I also think the same, this pandemic has been exaggerated too much, so that it makes many people worry and panic, is done on purpose and published continuously every day,

If we want to look at the comparison between the dead and the cured, there are far more people who are cured, which means that actually a pandemic is not as terrible as many people imagine, it's just that information that shouldn't circulate has a bad impact. create panic en masse and there is a situation like now.

Well, the reason why the people is afraid and COVID-19 is too exaggerated is because they knew that the health care system of their country can't handle such things. Some of the countries are lucky that they have good health care system and have good government that can manage things. What about those country who sufferrs a lot on this. Yes, death and recovery counts have a huge gap but it doesn't mean that it's safe and ahouldn't be taken seriously. People are new to this pandemic, of course they will react too much because we are alrwady having a pandemic and some of the governmemt doesn't have a decent plan to handle this.

Of course we shouldn't panic but we have to take the pandemic seriously. Maybe in your country recoveries are much higher, and deaths are minimized, but to my country, deaths are getting higher, some deaths are not even counted cause they haven't get tested. No need to panic but what can someone do if they don't have the capacity to save themselves? Hospitals here are asking for a break cause they don't have thespace for the positive cases, and it keeps coming, frontliners are dying here too. Those are still lives, they are not just mere numbers and statistics.

You can't really say "the pandemic is not as terrible etc. etc." if you are not in the battlefield.

In some cases, the daily information on the people infected with covid19 is useful because not all nations are equipped to care for the sick. We do not want poor nations to overcrowd their hospitals. That is why it helps in some way to alert people to take care of themselves because it is simple if we want the pandemic to decrease we must protect ourselves to stay healthy.

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I don't think that there are any bigger winners since all that the Corona Virus brought was bad memories, cancelled plans, dying of loved ones and many other unthinkable situations. Though that is the situation in our country since its a Third world country. I couldn't think of a moment on where the Corona Virus is a factor and that just saddens the whole situation.

We can consider the fact that the biggest winner was New Zealand and countries with minimal death count, I just hope that other countries can take them as an example on how to fight the virus.

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The biggest winner during covid will be the country that can provide a vaccine for covid virus and sell it at a highest price.That'swhy if you have money ,you will live but if you are among the poorest of the poor that do not have capacity to buy a vaccine for sure you will die because of covid. The cure is the essential part of this pandemic, with out it,I think there will be no winner on this covid virus. Only the VIRUS will become the winner.

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Quote from: bakasabo on August 17, 2020, 07:00:40 AM

Lots of people mention China. Why? Because they had thousands of lethal cases daily and now only few people got sick? Like they won against the virus? But all the past deaths already made a huge negative impact on their economy and a country overall. China is not the best example of a winner imho

The devil is in paying precious attention to detail, as always

If we look at it from an evolutionary point of view (which is probably shared by the Chinese authorities), thousands of those that have died (even millions) would only make the Chinese economy better in the long run. How come? Mostly for two key factors or reasons

First, if they didn't spend a lot of resources trying to save those people, the resources are effectively saved, all things considered. And then, if it is old and weak that are dying (which seems to be the case), it is actually good for the economy, and can be a big head start in the new, post-Covid world. America is likely going that route as well

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How can you speak about who won more during COVID, when this is a world wide disaster? The one who won more is the one that stayed healthy. Speaking globally - the winners are the countries with less cases per 1000 population. These countries probably did not even started a lockdown period and their economy worked as usually.

Lots of people mention China. Why? Because they had thousands of lethal cases daily and now only few people got sick? Like they won against the virus? But all the past deaths already made a huge negative impact on their economy and a country overall. China is not the best example of a winner imho.

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Quote from: Xembin on August 17, 2020, 04:55:19 AM

Covid-19 has collapse many economy in the world.some country right now still looking for solution in their economy tovmove forward, Such
country like Nigeria, Ghana, Cameron etc. China are winning the economy situation steady steady, all the requirements to boost their economy they are in place, China are even helping other countries to find solution to their condition.

COVID 19 has resulted in economic recession for a number of countries. But surprisingly, the country where the pandemic first appeared (China) is doing well as far as the economy is concerned. Life is back to normal and there are hardly any new infections there. Everywhere else, the situation looks gloomy. Even in countries such as New Zealand and Vietnam, where the pandemic was under control for a considerable period of time.

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