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1 billion coins in circulation?!  Why would anyone buy knowing that there are a billion coins in peoples wallets, most waiting to be dumped? That's a pretty tough a wall for most investors to climb.

the number in circulation has absolutely nothing to do with it. Its all about MK

currently mooncoin and bitbay have the same MK

if i spend $300k on mooncoin i get 1% of mooncoin
if i spend $300k on bitbay i get 1% of bitbay

you get it!?

also you "lack of development" note just goes to show you know nothing about crypto. Bitbay has the most advanced wallet in crypto! show me 1 thats better?

what this guy said - these newbies need to educate themselves because they are embarrassing themselves
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Only 5btc. I made 12 btc off bay. Bought when it was 80 Satoshi. What's your point? Litedoge has nothing to offer.

Jealous much? Keep trolling. Bay won't go I a price you can afford. No reason to argue over education and the fact you bring it up means you barely finished high school.

I guess you are still upset buying potcoin at the top and hold in bags if useless lol
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1 billion coins in circulation?!  Why would anyone buy knowing that there are a billion coins in peoples wallets, most waiting to be dumped? That's a pretty tough a wall for most investors to climb.

I also feel people who make these comments need a lot more education before investing real money.

Number of tokens means 0 when making investment decisions.

The distribution of the tokens and MC are far more important. More important still is the real value of the project in the context of others here.

Why would people be waiting to dump at 30m when there are projects with 100M to 1B with less going for them.


I don't know where you picked up your education but I can guarantee you it's not worth half of mine Smiley

This coin is not Ripple, and will most likely have dumpers dumping most of the billion coins in wallets, far more often than investors investing.  

Good luck




You don't know but can then make guarantees based upon that. Hmmm I see.

Okay, if that's your explanation then that's fine. Stay out and get in with Ripple.
We'll review in a few months.
Meanwhile - I'll go back in time and tell XEM and bitshares holders  that they should have dumped out at a 30M cap. Actually, they have billionS of tokens so they are not going anywhere either.

The only part of your post that makes any sense is the " I don't know" segment.

I mean imagine if what you have said is a general rule then how do projects with billions of tokens increase in value at all?

Again I'll ask you why would you dump your share of a project if you consider it is below market value compared to other projects regardless of the amount of tokens it is divided into?

If this is the only factor you take into consideration then investing must be easy for you. Just find the projects with the smallest minting.
Let us know how that works out for you.






You (not sure where you can speak for the "us" in this coin?) can spray your theme how - 1 billion coins in existing wallets of a currency that has little to show, and "David" as its development, that's trying to come back from a previously poor existence, is a "good thing", all you want, but investors can see through most of that talk.

It may survive continuous dumping, of the billion coins out there, and lack of development, but IMHO, I doubt it.

Like I said, good luck - to all here.



Sir, I see you are trying to sync your LITEDOGE wallet and hoping it goes to the MOON. DO YOU KNOW how many coins there are in circulation? I guess not.

14 BILLION, GTFO, sorry, no time for incompetence. hahaha. bye now.


For the uneducated hanging out trolling the educated (btw, it's ok, that's how most uneducated people learn) - I made 5 BTC off of LiteDoge because I bought into it with a market cap of 1 million. This coin and Litedoge are not that far off - billions of coins, trying to come back from a poor performance, weak dev team, etc.  However, this one has a market cap way over what it should be.


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How's everyone doing? Good to see bitbay performing so well. David's hardword is finally paying off!!  Grin

I can't seem to recall where I put my wallet.  Sad

Hey unusualfacts30!
Glad to see you pop in to the thread.

Where is the last place your remember running your wallet? Is it on a thumb drive by chance?


 Smiley It's good to see old members are still here. I put it in a external hdd somewhere in 2014 but can't seem to find it.

On no, well good luck finding it. And be careful with old hard drives. I think the best backup is M-Disc because those last 100 years. Hard drives can go bad after a couple years of non-use. Printing on paper is also a good habit.

Hey man, I had put it in multiple PC and flash drive as a back up but can't find it. May be I renamed it to something else. oh well... hopefully I'll find it soon. Good work.
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anyone have a problem with qt wallet not connecting to network?

*edit, connected after 30 minutes

I'm going to check and update the seed nodes attached. I think they may be out of date. The issue was we had no dedicated nodes in the last build so it was a long list of like 20 nodes we had on chainz. I will make sure to check those and maybe run a couple more nodes in the next update. In the meantime anyone who has a long wait connecting on a new download can certainly go here and add nodes from the list found here in network:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bay/
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1 billion coins in circulation?!  Why would anyone buy knowing that there are a billion coins in peoples wallets, most waiting to be dumped? That's a pretty tough a wall for most investors to climb.

I also feel people who make these comments need a lot more education before investing real money.

Number of tokens means 0 when making investment decisions.

The distribution of the tokens and MC are far more important. More important still is the real value of the project in the context of others here.

Why would people be waiting to dump at 30m when there are projects with 100M to 1B with less going for them.


I don't know where you picked up your education but I can guarantee you it's not worth half of mine Smiley

This coin is not Ripple, and will most likely have dumpers dumping most of the billion coins in wallets, far more often than investors investing.  

Good luck




You don't know but can then make guarantees based upon that. Hmmm I see.

Okay, if that's your explanation then that's fine. Stay out and get in with Ripple.
We'll review in a few months.
Meanwhile - I'll go back in time and tell XEM and bitshares holders  that they should have dumped out at a 30M cap. Actually, they have billionS of tokens so they are not going anywhere either.

The only part of your post that makes any sense is the " I don't know" segment.

I mean imagine if what you have said is a general rule then how do projects with billions of tokens increase in value at all?

Again I'll ask you why would you dump your share of a project if you consider it is below market value compared to other projects regardless of the amount of tokens it is divided into?

If this is the only factor you take into consideration then investing must be easy for you. Just find the projects with the smallest minting.
Let us know how that works out for you.






You (not sure where you can speak for the "us" in this coin?) can spray your theme how - 1 billion coins in existing wallets of a currency that has little to show, and "David" as its development, that's trying to come back from a previously poor existence, is a "good thing", all you want, but investors can see through most of that talk.

It may survive continuous dumping, of the billion coins out there, and lack of development, but IMHO, I doubt it.

Like I said, good luck - to all here.



Sir, I see you are trying to sync your LITEDOGE wallet and hoping it goes to the MOON. DO YOU KNOW how many coins there are in circulation? I guess not.

14 BILLION, GTFO, sorry, no time for incompetence. hahaha. bye now.
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anyone have a problem with qt wallet not connecting to network?

*edit, connected after 30 minutes
legendary
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1 billion coins in circulation?!  Why would anyone buy knowing that there are a billion coins in peoples wallets, most waiting to be dumped? That's a pretty tough a wall for most investors to climb.

I also feel people who make these comments need a lot more education before investing real money.

Number of tokens means 0 when making investment decisions.

The distribution of the tokens and MC are far more important. More important still is the real value of the project in the context of others here.

Why would people be waiting to dump at 30m when there are projects with 100M to 1B with less going for them.


I don't know where you picked up your education but I can guarantee you it's not worth half of mine Smiley

This coin is not Ripple, and will most likely have dumpers dumping most of the billion coins in wallets, far more often than investors investing.  

Good luck




You don't know but can then make guarantees based upon that. Hmmm I see.

Okay, if that's your explanation then that's fine. Stay out and get in with Ripple.
We'll review in a few months.
Meanwhile - I'll go back in time and tell XEM and bitshares holders  that they should have dumped out at a 30M cap. Actually, they have billionS of tokens so they are not going anywhere either.

The only part of your post that makes any sense is the " I don't know" segment.

I mean imagine if what you have said is a general rule then how do projects with billions of tokens increase in value at all?

Again I'll ask you why would you dump your share of a project if you consider it is below market value compared to other projects regardless of the amount of tokens it is divided into?

If this is the only factor you take into consideration then investing must be easy for you. Just find the projects with the smallest minting.
Let us know how that works out for you.

Sadly common sense just isn't that common anymore.

You never bet the horse, you bet the jockey!

I came over from BLK because of David Z...dude rocks and I will follow good talent anywhere!

And Dave, you are Gold Brother!

I'm just along for the ride, cause I "do know" Tongue
..(no fancy education needed)

Thanks! Well I can tell you this much, its been one helluva ride! No matter what happens in crypto in the next couples years I know one thing. It won't be boring.  Grin
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I see a few mentions of "smart contract" although they point out their definition of it. Is it actually ERC20 compatible? It doesn't seem like it but just curious.

Halo's double deposit escrow was the worlds first smart contracts which is what I've used in BitBay. Its an entirely different and practical way to do contracting in the real world. Instead of ETH "pie in the sky", "your computer will mow your lawn, make your toast and take your dog for a walk" contracts, double deposit eliminates the element of human and computer error by using the deposits as a disincentive(no more middle men or deception). And you can code literally anything on top of that.

Also, its hard to improve upon double deposit escrow no matter how fancy your computer code gets. Thus ETH wouldn't be able to improve on DDE simply implement it in a contract.

My software existed years before Ethereum, I actually had to google ERC20. It is possible to make a double deposit contract in ETH but it would be no use because it requires a tremendous amount of UI/UX and communication work. And really I don't see anyone else doing it. It's possible we are still years ahead of the competition.
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1 billion coins in circulation?!  Why would anyone buy knowing that there are a billion coins in peoples wallets, most waiting to be dumped? That's a pretty tough a wall for most investors to climb.

I also feel people who make these comments need a lot more education before investing real money.

Number of tokens means 0 when making investment decisions.

The distribution of the tokens and MC are far more important. More important still is the real value of the project in the context of others here.

Why would people be waiting to dump at 30m when there are projects with 100M to 1B with less going for them.


I don't know where you picked up your education but I can guarantee you it's not worth half of mine Smiley

This coin is not Ripple, and will most likely have dumpers dumping most of the billion coins in wallets, far more often than investors investing.  

Good luck




You don't know but can then make guarantees based upon that. Hmmm I see.

Okay, if that's your explanation then that's fine. Stay out and get in with Ripple.
We'll review in a few months.
Meanwhile - I'll go back in time and tell XEM and bitshares holders  that they should have dumped out at a 30M cap. Actually, they have billionS of tokens so they are not going anywhere either.

The only part of your post that makes any sense is the " I don't know" segment.

I mean imagine if what you have said is a general rule then how do projects with billions of tokens increase in value at all?

Again I'll ask you why would you dump your share of a project if you consider it is below market value compared to other projects regardless of the amount of tokens it is divided into?

If this is the only factor you take into consideration then investing must be easy for you. Just find the projects with the smallest minting.
Let us know how that works out for you.

Sadly common sense just isn't that common anymore.

You never bet the horse, you bet the jockey!

I came over from BLK because of David Z...dude rocks and I will follow good talent anywhere!

And Dave, you are Gold Brother!

I'm just along for the ride, cause I "do know" Tongue
..(no fancy education needed)
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I see a few mentions of "smart contract" although they point out their definition of it. Is it actually ERC20 compatible? It doesn't seem like it but just curious.
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1 billion coins in circulation?!  Why would anyone buy knowing that there are a billion coins in peoples wallets, most waiting to be dumped? That's a pretty tough a wall for most investors to climb.

I also feel people who make these comments need a lot more education before investing real money.

Number of tokens means 0 when making investment decisions.

The distribution of the tokens and MC are far more important. More important still is the real value of the project in the context of others here.

Why would people be waiting to dump at 30m when there are projects with 100M to 1B with less going for them.


I don't know where you picked up your education but I can guarantee you it's not worth half of mine Smiley

This coin is not Ripple, and will most likely have dumpers dumping most of the billion coins in wallets, far more often than investors investing. 

Good luck



How educated a person is has nothing to do with how much money they spend on school in the same way that a currencies worth is not in any way related to its supply.

The supply is ambiguous (look at Dogecoin for example)

Marketcap = Supply * Price
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1 billion coins in circulation?!  Why would anyone buy knowing that there are a billion coins in peoples wallets, most waiting to be dumped? That's a pretty tough a wall for most investors to climb.

I also feel people who make these comments need a lot more education before investing real money.

Number of tokens means 0 when making investment decisions.

The distribution of the tokens and MC are far more important. More important still is the real value of the project in the context of others here.

Why would people be waiting to dump at 30m when there are projects with 100M to 1B with less going for them.


I don't know where you picked up your education but I can guarantee you it's not worth half of mine Smiley

This coin is not Ripple, and will most likely have dumpers dumping most of the billion coins in wallets, far more often than investors investing.  

Good luck




You don't know but can then make guarantees based upon that. Hmmm I see.

Okay, if that's your explanation then that's fine. Stay out and get in with Ripple.
We'll review in a few months.
Meanwhile - I'll go back in time and tell XEM and bitshares holders  that they should have dumped out at a 30M cap. Actually, they have billionS of tokens so they are not going anywhere either.

The only part of your post that makes any sense is the " I don't know" segment.

I mean imagine if what you have said is a general rule then how do projects with billions of tokens increase in value at all?

Again I'll ask you why would you dump your share of a project if you consider it is below market value compared to other projects regardless of the amount of tokens it is divided into?

If this is the only factor you take into consideration then investing must be easy for you. Just find the projects with the smallest minting.
Let us know how that works out for you.






You (not sure where you can speak for the "us" in this coin?) can spray your theme how - 1 billion coins in existing wallets of a currency that has little to show, and "David" as its development, that's trying to come back from a previously poor existence, is a "good thing", all you want, but investors can see through most of that talk.

It may survive continuous dumping, of the billion coins out there, and lack of development, but IMHO, I doubt it.

Like I said, good luck - to all here.

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1 billion coins in circulation?!  Why would anyone buy knowing that there are a billion coins in peoples wallets, most waiting to be dumped? That's a pretty tough a wall for most investors to climb.

I also feel people who make these comments need a lot more education before investing real money.

Number of tokens means 0 when making investment decisions.

The distribution of the tokens and MC are far more important. More important still is the real value of the project in the context of others here.

Why would people be waiting to dump at 30m when there are projects with 100M to 1B with less going for them.


I don't know where you picked up your education but I can guarantee you it's not worth half of mine Smiley

This coin is not Ripple, and will most likely have dumpers dumping most of the billion coins in wallets, far more often than investors investing.  

Good luck




You don't know but can then make guarantees based upon that. Hmmm I see.

Okay, if that's your explanation then that's fine. Stay out and get in with Ripple.
We'll review in a few months.
Meanwhile - I'll go back in time and tell XEM and bitshares holders  that they should have dumped out at a 30M cap. Actually, they have billionS of tokens so they are not going anywhere either.

The only part of your post that makes any sense is the " I don't know" segment.

I mean imagine if what you have said is a general rule then how do projects with billions of tokens increase in value at all?

Again I'll ask you why would you dump your share of a project if you consider it is below market value compared to other projects regardless of the amount of tokens it is divided into?

If this is the only factor you take into consideration then investing must be easy for you. Just find the projects with the smallest minting.
Let us know how that works out for you.








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1 billion coins in circulation?!  Why would anyone buy knowing that there are a billion coins in peoples wallets, most waiting to be dumped? That's a pretty tough a wall for most investors to climb.

I also feel people who make these comments need a lot more education before investing real money.

Number of tokens means 0 when making investment decisions.

The distribution of the tokens and MC are far more important. More important still is the real value of the project in the context of others here.

Why would people be waiting to dump at 30m when there are projects with 100M to 1B with less going for them.


I don't know where you picked up your education but I can guarantee you it's not worth half of mine Smiley

This coin is not Ripple, and will most likely have dumpers dumping most of the billion coins in wallets, far more often than investors investing. 

Good luck

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MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
1 billion coins in circulation?!  Why would anyone buy knowing that there are a billion coins in peoples wallets, most waiting to be dumped? That's a pretty tough a wall for most investors to climb.

I also feel people who make these comments need a lot more education before investing real money.

Number of tokens means 0 when making investment decisions.

The distribution of the tokens and MC are far more important. More important still is the real value of the project in the context of others here.

Why would people be waiting to dump at 30m when there are projects with 100M to 1B with less going for them.
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1 billion coins in circulation?!  Why would anyone buy knowing that there are a billion coins in peoples wallets, most waiting to be dumped? That's a pretty tough a wall for most investors to climb.
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Hello guys,

I was looking some crypto to invest, then found bitbay and get excited this currency fundaments and also the recently market growth. After this, I've decided to buy some and hold.

However, I've got some doubts about how BAY can handle about common marketplacess existent problems and the specifics decentralized marketplace challenges. Lets use ebay as parameter.

On ebay we have a lot of dishonest people (buyers/sellers). Its very common the ebay staff intervention to solve many kind of problems with transactions and many times those problems aren't solved.

The honest people of the ebay community (buyers/sellers) have a certain security about transaction and sales, even the problem was caused by thirds (like post offices, etc). This security is what bring a mass of buyers and big sellers to ebay plataform.

If to decentralized need to attract big sellers and a large mass of buyers to be successful, how bitbay can do this if the envolved have to trust on each other honesty? How bitbay system can force a fair solution about the transactions problem? Who will judge who is right? If I buy some product from a chinese seller and I don't receive, on my side "never received the product" on his side "I sent", who will prevail?

I know bitbay has a qualification system but this is enough to bring feeling of safety to sellers/buyers?

I still excited about bitbay, my intention here is just ask questions that I made to myself.


BitBay uses double deposit escrow (DDE) in addition to a reputation system.
Default for DDE is that both buyer and seller put up a deposit that is 100% the value og the transaction. If everything goes smoth, they will release (simultaniously) the deposit. If one of them tries to cheat, the deposit will not be released, and the scammer has gained nothing.



Thanks for your explanation.

I've actually read about this but really don't know if it will works in major situations, because sellers and buyers have too freeze some amount of capital to warranty the transaction.

Just imagining as a seller point of view: if I want to grow my salles, I need liquidity of my capital fast as possible, if I do some business that last some time to be completed and until it's completely done my money will be frozen, why use this plataform?

Also, if both parts don't release their deposit, what will happen to the warranty bays?

Ebay takes a large % of the deal, their arbiters do not resolve disputes. If you are buyer, seller sends you an empty box or if you are seller and are returned an empty box you lose. Ebay will just guess.  Arbiters drive up cost and know nothing of the truth. Liars will always win in the deal. Worst case they pay for the item best case they steal it.

Double deposit - both parties put a deposit and if they lie/cheat their funds blow up BOTH LOSE. This type of contract favors HONEST people. A liar can't possibly win because he will lose more trying to steal than he profits! The incentive to lie is removed liars get demolished.

Also, deposits can be customized. So you can lower them if you are a power seller moving 1000 dollars of merchandise a day and are honest, people will probably only make you put up 20%... and if you move that much that should be nothing for your to put up.

And of course there are NO FEES so you just make an enormous amount more here than you would in any other system. The funds are only frozen for the duration of a deal which may be a few days. A small bit of patience to destroy deception from society (one of the worlds biggest issues).

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Hello guys,

I was looking some crypto to invest, then found bitbay and get excited this currency fundaments and also the recently market growth. After this, I've decided to buy some and hold.

However, I've got some doubts about how BAY can handle about common marketplacess existent problems and the specifics decentralized marketplace challenges. Lets use ebay as parameter.

On ebay we have a lot of dishonest people (buyers/sellers). Its very common the ebay staff intervention to solve many kind of problems with transactions and many times those problems aren't solved.

The honest people of the ebay community (buyers/sellers) have a certain security about transaction and sales, even the problem was caused by thirds (like post offices, etc). This security is what bring a mass of buyers and big sellers to ebay plataform.

If to decentralized need to attract big sellers and a large mass of buyers to be successful, how bitbay can do this if the envolved have to trust on each other honesty? How bitbay system can force a fair solution about the transactions problem? Who will judge who is right? If I buy some product from a chinese seller and I don't receive, on my side "never received the product" on his side "I sent", who will prevail?

I know bitbay has a qualification system but this is enough to bring feeling of safety to sellers/buyers?

I still excited about bitbay, my intention here is just ask questions that I made to myself.


BitBay uses double deposit escrow (DDE) in addition to a reputation system.
Default for DDE is that both buyer and seller put up a deposit that is 100% the value og the transaction. If everything goes smoth, they will release (simultaniously) the deposit. If one of them tries to cheat, the deposit will not be released, and the scammer has gained nothing.



Thanks for your explanation.

I've actually read about this but really don't know if it will works in major situations, because sellers and buyers have too freeze some amount of capital to warranty the transaction.

Just imagining as a seller point of view: if I want to grow my salles, I need liquidity of my capital fast as possible, if I do some business that last some time to be completed and until it's completely done my money will be frozen, why use this plataform?

Also, if both parts don't release their deposit, what will happen to the warranty bays?

Quote from Dave's interview on this same question, hope this helps (I was wondering how that worked)....

CCN — How can there be no arbiter? What happens when there are disputes?

DZ — It is probably easiest to start a comparison by looking at the way EBay handles disputes. On EBay, if you are the seller, and the buyer has a complaint, EBay always sides with the buyer. If the buyer said something was not what they were expecting for any reason, Ebay forces the seller to give a full refund, and in addition pay for return shipping, no matter what the truth is.

Alternatively, BitBay has unbreakable contracts where both the buyer and seller make a deposit as part of the contract. If there are unresolvable problems, the deposits on the contract for both parties are lost. People either work together to resolve any issues, or both parties lose. When everything works out, both parties close the contract and the deposits are returned.   
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Hello guys,

I was looking some crypto to invest, then found bitbay and get excited this currency fundaments and also the recently market growth. After this, I've decided to buy some and hold.

However, I've got some doubts about how BAY can handle about common marketplacess existent problems and the specifics decentralized marketplace challenges. Lets use ebay as parameter.

On ebay we have a lot of dishonest people (buyers/sellers). Its very common the ebay staff intervention to solve many kind of problems with transactions and many times those problems aren't solved.

The honest people of the ebay community (buyers/sellers) have a certain security about transaction and sales, even the problem was caused by thirds (like post offices, etc). This security is what bring a mass of buyers and big sellers to ebay plataform.

If to decentralized need to attract big sellers and a large mass of buyers to be successful, how bitbay can do this if the envolved have to trust on each other honesty? How bitbay system can force a fair solution about the transactions problem? Who will judge who is right? If I buy some product from a chinese seller and I don't receive, on my side "never received the product" on his side "I sent", who will prevail?

I know bitbay has a qualification system but this is enough to bring feeling of safety to sellers/buyers?

I still excited about bitbay, my intention here is just ask questions that I made to myself.


BitBay uses double deposit escrow (DDE) in addition to a reputation system.
Default for DDE is that both buyer and seller put up a deposit that is 100% the value og the transaction. If everything goes smoth, they will release (simultaniously) the deposit. If one of them tries to cheat, the deposit will not be released, and the scammer has gained nothing.



Thanks for your explanation.

I've actually read about this but really don't know if it will works in major situations, because sellers and buyers have too freeze some amount of capital to warranty the transaction.

Just imagining as a seller point of view: if I want to grow my salles, I need liquidity of my capital fast as possible, if I do some business that last some time to be completed and until it's completely done my money will be frozen, why use this plataform?

Also, if both parts don't release their deposit, what will happen to the warranty bays?
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