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Quote from: balladofjpeg on December 08, 2023, 04:37:56 PM

thanks for both your reply
I will generate a new wallet with new seed and then move funds.
In the meantime I will study a bit more passphrase option Grin

A passphrase creates a new wallet. In a sense, a passphrase is sort-of like having a 2 of 2 multisig, since the wallet can only be accessed with both parts, the seed and the passphrase. The danger is that if you lose either part, you lose your coins, so your passphrase needs to be precise. I'm a fan of using 7 words or more with a space between each, all lowercase except for things that should be capitalized, like names.

Here's a video about how to choose a strong passphrase by Crypto-Guide. The whole video is worth watching, but I'm linking to the part where he talks about how many words to use in a passphrase.

Crypto-Guide's youtube channel is fantastic. Zero hype. Just quality info. I'm shocked his videos don't get tons more views. His stuff is among the best of the best for Bitcoin.

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thanks for both your reply
I will generate a new wallet with new seed and then move funds.
In the meantime I will study a bit more passphrase option Grin

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Quote from: balladofjpeg on December 06, 2023, 04:55:44 PM

what if I restore with the "ledger" seed, then add a passphrase and finally move them? (this last part is also unclear in my mind Grin

)

If I understand correctly, you already have funds in your normal wallet so if you were to add a passphrase to your used seed phrase, it'd just lead to an empty passphrase-protected wallet!
^{- This should be done when you're setting up your wallet for the first time, but only do it if you "fully" understand everything about it.}

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Quote from: balladofjpeg on December 06, 2023, 04:55:44 PM

Hi, I would like to upgrade from my ledger S to a new bitbox. I know the ledger S is supposed to be safe, but I've been thinking about it lately.
Do you think I can put the seed of the ledger in the bitbox?

Sure, you can do it, if you already have coins there with addresses you actively use, and if you didn't expose old seed phrase anywhere.
But if you want to be more secure than I would suggest to start fresh and generate everything from zero.

Quote from: balladofjpeg on December 06, 2023, 04:55:44 PM

Or is it safer to move the funds with some transactions? (so new seed for the bitbox)
what if I restore with the "ledger" seed, then add a passphrase and finally move them? (this last part is also unclear in my mind Grin

)

I think this is safer, but you will have to pay transaction fees, that are not always cheap.

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Hi, I would like to upgrade from my ledger S to a new bitbox. I know the ledger S is supposed to be safe, but I've been thinking about it lately.
Do you think I can put the seed of the ledger in the bitbox?
Or is it safer to move the funds with some transactions? (so new seed for the bitbox)
what if I restore with the "ledger" seed, then add a passphrase and finally move them? (this last part is also unclear in my mind Grin

)

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today another video was published by BitBox, which shows how an ln transaction is received on a desktop computer and spent again via a mobile phone

https://twitter.com/BitBoxSwiss/status/1729874292249407915

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Quote from: cygan on November 17, 2023, 10:06:40 AM

a counterfeit version of the BitBoxApp, the wallet software for the BitBox02, has emerged.

I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked!!

Quote from: Pmalek on October 19, 2023, 10:37:19 AM

Quote from: cygan on October 18, 2023, 09:35:09 AM

what is particularly exciting is that the ln wallet will be set up using the BitBox02 hardware.

What did you mean when you said this? It makes it sound like the hardware device will provide the RNG for the entropy of the keys for the lightning wallet, but that's probably not it. Will the Lightning Network wallet be separate from the main one (with its own keys) or just a feature of the standard wallet?

Now this is actually what I came to the HW wallet section for, because I was just on Bitbox's website and saw that they were developing their own little device from which you could run a bitcoin lightning network node, which they called the BitBoxBase. I'd never read anything on the forum about this and was wondering if anyone knew about it. It's not revolutionary for experienced users, of course, but for retards like me it might be a neat thing to blow money on.

Guess they put the development on hold for some reason.

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a counterfeit version of the BitBoxApp, the wallet software for the BitBox02, has emerged. as with the Ledger Live counterfeit, this is by no means an actually functioning version of the original software, but merely a simple visual imitation. it attempts to put the user under pressure by displaying a supposed error message asking them to enter the 12 or 24 recovery words.
fortunately, the affected user immediately became suspicious when the 'BitBoxApp' asked for his recovery words and reported the incident to the BitBox support team.
the victim caught the fake BitBoxApp himself via a top-listed search engine result. in such cases, it is easy to overlook the fact that it is not the correct domain or that the website looks incorrect in one place or another.

you can read exactly what happened in the tweet below:

https://nitter.net/BitBoxSwiss/status/1725491128521068958

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 19, 2023, 10:37:19 AM

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Will the Lightning Network wallet be separate from the main one (with its own keys) or just a feature of the standard wallet?

the integration of a lightning wallet takes place directly in the own BitBox app. as a user, you are supposed to keep full control over your own keys.
the whole thing is made possible by a partnership with Breez SDK, which in turn relies on Greenlight as a 'lightning-as-a-service' provider.
more information can be found in the following medium article: BitBox Chooses Breez SDK for Lightning Integration

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Quote from: cygan on October 18, 2023, 09:35:09 AM

what is particularly exciting is that the ln wallet will be set up using the BitBox02 hardware.

What did you mean when you said this? It makes it sound like the hardware device will provide the RNG for the entropy of the keys for the lightning wallet, but that's probably not it. Will the Lightning Network wallet be separate from the main one (with its own keys) or just a feature of the standard wallet?

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with the following tweet BitBox has just announced the integration of a lightning wallet into the BitBox app. what is particularly exciting is that the ln wallet will be set up using the BitBox02 hardware.
the private keys of the cold storage naturally remain where they belong - securely on the hardware wallet. it will likely be a while before today's announcement becomes a reality for BitBox customers and the new lightning wallet can enter beta.

https://twitter.com/BitBoxSwiss/status/1714646190040449361
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08-tJSj-dU0&ab_channel=BitBox

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Quote from: cygan on August 23, 2023, 10:40:13 AM

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Not that long ago a vulnerability was found with the Miniscript language and its spending policies in Ledger hardware wallets. In theory, it created wrong addresses that others could abuse to spend your coins. In practice and according to what Yamane_Keto explained, there was no wallet implementation that fully supported the Miniscript feature and the creation of descriptors. According to him, no wallet was vulnerable to the vulnerability. It has, in the meantime, been fixed. Hopefully, the BitBox team knows what not to do.

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with the Motterascio update (v9.15.0) released today, the hardware wallet BitBox02 receives with miniscript an exciting new functionality in addition to minor improvements. miniscript will open up many new and, above all, more complex possibilities for storing one's own Bitcoin in the future, which can now be implemented much more reliably and easily in practice thanks to a uniform standard.
miniscript is actually not a completely new programming language, but rather a kind of interpreter that translates from a principle that is comprehensible to humans into a more complex and 'raw' Bitcoin script. this standardized conversion into the more complicated of the two languages thus enables significantly more application possibilities on the one hand.

https://bitbox.swiss/blog/bitbox-08-2023-marinelli-update/
https://github.com/digitalbitbox/bitbox02-firmware/releases/tag/firmware%2Fv9.15.0

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Quote from: n0nce on April 22, 2022, 07:35:40 AM

I don't know if you're aware of that, but it's not a touch screen. The device just has touch-sensitive areas on all sides, under the plastic. So you don't need to touch the actual screen and scratch or smudge it.

I know about that, this touch sensitive areas are on top side and there is no connection with screen, but he has a new device and I heard that people are saying that screen scratches very easy from regular usage.
I always try to keep foils on all my devices as long as I can

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Quote from: dkbit98 on April 21, 2022, 10:20:47 AM

Quote from: OROBTC on April 20, 2022, 09:06:31 PM

It was not as easy to learn as I had hoped ("tap" is a very light tap for example), but I was able to get it set up quickly, the "secondary password" was also easy and pretty clear to set up.

I saw several people complaining about that and I personally prefer normal buttons instead of touch screen fake buttons.
My suggestion is to not remove protective foil from the screen, or make your own custom one to avoid scratches.

I don't know if you're aware of that, but it's not a touch screen. The device just has touch-sensitive areas on all sides, under the plastic. So you don't need to touch the actual screen and scratch or smudge it. I personally really enjoy that interface, since buttons wear out and it could be easier to 'shoulder surf' when there are buttons involved.
With that said, the screen does scratch very easily (without touching it!! Roll Eyes

); even quicker than thin, plastic screen protectors. I found cutting one of those to size works. It's a pity though that they have a logo that sticks out, because it means either a large air bubble or you need to cut out that area.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on April 21, 2022, 10:20:47 AM

Quote from: OROBTC on April 20, 2022, 09:06:31 PM

It was not as easy to learn as I had hoped ("tap" is a very light tap for example), but I was able to get it set up quickly, the "secondary password" was also easy and pretty clear to set up.

I saw several people complaining about that and I personally prefer normal buttons instead of touch screen fake buttons.
My suggestion is to not remove protective foil from the screen, or make your own custom one to avoid scratches.

Quote from: OROBTC on April 20, 2022, 09:06:31 PM

I have NOT yet figured out how to do "coin control" yet (out of town), that it is a feature I like about Wasabi. I will explore that upon return home.

I think you can use coin control just fine with Electrum, and to make things easier to you BitbBox02 works with other third party wallets like Wasabi, Specter and Sparrow.
If you are using their native app it's simple if you follow this simple guide and Enable coin control in Advanced Settings:
https://shiftcrypto.support/help/en-us/14-privacy/31-how-to-use-coin-control

Thank you very much, dkbit98. I will examine shiftcrypto's support link you cited.

Once I figured out how the device worked ("tap", etc.), I got used to it. So far so good.

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Quote from: OROBTC on April 20, 2022, 09:06:31 PM

It was not as easy to learn as I had hoped ("tap" is a very light tap for example), but I was able to get it set up quickly, the "secondary password" was also easy and pretty clear to set up.

I saw several people complaining about that and I personally prefer normal buttons instead of touch screen fake buttons.
My suggestion is to not remove protective foil from the screen, or make your own custom one to avoid scratches.

Quote from: OROBTC on April 20, 2022, 09:06:31 PM

I have NOT yet figured out how to do "coin control" yet (out of town), that it is a feature I like about Wasabi. I will explore that upon return home.

I think you can use coin control just fine with Electrum, and to make things easier to you BitbBox02 works with other third party wallets like Wasabi, Specter and Sparrow.
If you are using their native app it's simple if you follow this simple guide and Enable coin control in Advanced Settings:
https://shiftcrypto.support/help/en-us/14-privacy/31-how-to-use-coin-control

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I bought one (BitBox02, BTC-only) at the Miami BTC conference. I am out of town so don't remember exactly what I paid for it, but I think it was a little bit less than I have seen online, my price was something on the order of $120. I didn't have to worry about Sales Tax or VAT either... Nor did they ask who I was, smile.

It was not as easy to learn as I had hoped ("tap" is a very light tap for example), but I was able to get it set up quickly, the "secondary password" was also easy and pretty clear to set up.

I have NOT yet figured out how to do "coin control" yet (out of town), that it is a feature I like about Wasabi. I will explore that upon return home.

So after some more work exploring my device, I will likely be able to say which of Trezor Model T or BB02 I like better, but both are very good experiences as far as I am concerned.

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Quote from: Pmalek on April 20, 2022, 04:40:53 AM

Quote from: n0nce on April 19, 2022, 09:25:13 AM

One thing that I mentioned somewhere else here in another context is that in the past I had created a 'secondary wallet' for someone in the BitBox software and after a few years when they wanted to access it again, it didn't show up. It was very counterintuitive to get it back: we had to 'create a new Bitcoin wallet' again and there the funds reappeared. They appear to be using derivation paths to allow you to have multiple different wallets under the same seed and without passphrase, but the wallet doesn't store or communicate this information to the host. So in practice, if you get a new PC, it 'forgets' that these wallets exist. It was the only 'bad experience' with this wallet, really.

Ledger does the same, however you can check the derivation paths to all your accounts from the settings menu. Each account has a slightly different derivation path. Is BitBox using something non-standard? Judging by the info on https://walletsrecovery.org/, BitBox and Ledger have the same standard paths, and it shouldn't be too difficult to adjust. Do you remember what path the account had that you created for that other person?

Actually, the software shows no paths at all, that's just an assumption made by me, due to the fact that creating a new 'wallet #2' didn't create a new wallet at all, but returned the secondary wallet we had created.
Therefore I also can't easily tell what paths it uses. It's possible that you can view it somewhere in the software settings or so, but I don't have the device here to test.

I'd just wanted to make people aware of this and also encourage trying to retrieve the path of any wallet and store it together with its seed phrase backup.

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Quote from: n0nce on April 19, 2022, 09:25:13 AM

One thing that I mentioned somewhere else here in another context is that in the past I had created a 'secondary wallet' for someone in the BitBox software and after a few years when they wanted to access it again, it didn't show up. It was very counterintuitive to get it back: we had to 'create a new Bitcoin wallet' again and there the funds reappeared. They appear to be using derivation paths to allow you to have multiple different wallets under the same seed and without passphrase, but the wallet doesn't store or communicate this information to the host. So in practice, if you get a new PC, it 'forgets' that these wallets exist. It was the only 'bad experience' with this wallet, really.

Ledger does the same, however you can check the derivation paths to all your accounts from the settings menu. Each account has a slightly different derivation path. Is BitBox using something non-standard? Judging by the info on https://walletsrecovery.org/, BitBox and Ledger have the same standard paths, and it shouldn't be too difficult to adjust. Do you remember what path the account had that you created for that other person?

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