and who is still trading at Bitcoin-24.com?
http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/btc24EUR_trades.html
Topic: Bitcoin-24.com matching engine seems broken, site down. - page 20. (Read 64416 times)
hello.
and who is still trading at Bitcoin-24.com?
http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/btc24EUR_trades.html
and who is still trading at Bitcoin-24.com?
http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/btc24EUR_trades.html
yeah of course, but theres a difference between discussing the fact that a site went offline, if api keys where misused, if the admin is trading himself by setting limits he knows of before they are published, if innodb or myisam was used etc etc and that whining and aggravating and instantly threatening everybody.
no one knows if anything is lost at bitcoin-24, we will see. theres no point in getting pissed at the moment, besides beeing an asshole
no one knows if anything is lost at bitcoin-24, we will see. theres no point in getting pissed at the moment, besides beeing an asshole
Be sure i checked that number before, i don't wanna have hundreds of ppl calling him, keeping him away from work if he tries to fix the engine
.bla bla, build your own exchange, but be sure i sue your ass off if it lags more then 0.0001 !
you knew what you did when you registered with bitcoin-24. if something is fishy its 100% your fault, this is not your protected little consumer world, this is the bitcoin universe. never invest money you cant afford to loose, never (real wordl, internet or anywhere). stay cool or stay away.
It may come as a surprise to you but we all indeed keep that in mind.. "never invest what we are not willing to lose"
However, "willing to lose" is different from "not getting pissed off when you lose your money that you were willing to lose"
Be sure i checked that number before, i don't wanna have hundreds of ppl calling him, keeping him away from work if he tries to fix the engine
.bla bla, build your own exchange, but be sure i sue your ass off if it lags more then 0.0001 !
you knew what you did when you registered with bitcoin-24. if something is fishy its 100% your fault, this is not your protected little consumer world, this is the bitcoin universe. never invest money you cant afford to loose, never (real wordl, internet or anywhere). stay cool or stay away.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1822998 <--- GO HERE!
I really don't agree with the way Simon is accused and threatened here.
I do understand you are worried about your funds. It's rightful to feel worried and concerned.
But accusing him of fraud and threatening with violence locking him up in a cage, without any evidence, I find repulsive!
To the one doing this, I feel angry with you.
It is absolutely immoral to threaten to initiate violence against him.
I would never offer any services to you, knowing that you have no problem initiating violence when I fail to deliver.
Even if it was true that he defrauded you of your money, it's still immoral to initiate violence.
Take responsibility for your own actions.
As you know the exchange is basically free and living from donations. Donations that are needed to pay for customer support, technical support and legal support for example.
Have you given any donations that can actually pay a bill or two?
I do want to thank you for your sharing of information and research. And again my sympathies to you and all the others with high stress and concerns you experience due to this.
About the bank account. From what I understand here it seems to be 2 accidents following up shortly. First the bank account being closed by authorities in Poland, which he did not announce before today (right?) but he did change bank account a few days ago to his personal one, which makes sense to me as he used also his personal account before he incorporated and openend an account in Poland. I would appreciate more info about why that government closed the account and if they seized the funds or were ok with releasing them.
I do understand you are worried about your funds. It's rightful to feel worried and concerned.
But accusing him of fraud and threatening with violence locking him up in a cage, without any evidence, I find repulsive!
To the one doing this, I feel angry with you.
It is absolutely immoral to threaten to initiate violence against him.
I would never offer any services to you, knowing that you have no problem initiating violence when I fail to deliver.
Even if it was true that he defrauded you of your money, it's still immoral to initiate violence.
Take responsibility for your own actions.
As you know the exchange is basically free and living from donations. Donations that are needed to pay for customer support, technical support and legal support for example.
Have you given any donations that can actually pay a bill or two?
I do want to thank you for your sharing of information and research. And again my sympathies to you and all the others with high stress and concerns you experience due to this.
About the bank account. From what I understand here it seems to be 2 accidents following up shortly. First the bank account being closed by authorities in Poland, which he did not announce before today (right?) but he did change bank account a few days ago to his personal one, which makes sense to me as he used also his personal account before he incorporated and openend an account in Poland. I would appreciate more info about why that government closed the account and if they seized the funds or were ok with releasing them.
+1 I agree but we should really get Simon to update if possible.
Can anyone post the hot and cold wallet addresses. I'd like to verify what funds were moved and when.
just look a few posts above yours
Ahh I had seen those before. Too much stressed to remember that now. My bad.
Can anyone post the hot and cold wallet addresses. I'd like to verify what funds were moved and when.
just look a few posts above yours
Can anyone post the hot and cold wallet addresses. I'd like to verify what funds were moved and when.
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This bull will try to shake you off. Hold tight!
I really don't agree with the way Simon is accused and threatened here.
I do understand you are worried about your funds. It's rightful to feel worried and concerned.
But accusing him of fraud and threatening with violence locking him up in a cage, I find repulsive!
To the one doing this, I feel angry with you.
It is absolutely immoral to threaten to initiate violence against him.
I would never offer any services to you, knowing that you have no problem initiating violence when I fail to deliver.
Even if it was true that he defrauded you of your money, it's still immoral to initiate violence.
Take responsibility for your own actions.
As you know the exchange is basically free and living from donations. Donations that are needed to pay for customer support, technical support and legal support for example.
Have you given any donations that can actually pay a bill or two?
I do want to thank you for your sharing of information and research. And again my sympathies to you and all the others with high stress and concerns you experience due to this.
About the bank account. From what I understand here it seems to be 2 accidents following up shortly. First the bank account being closed by authorities in Poland, which he did not announce before today (right?) but he did change bank account a few days ago to his personal one, which makes sense to me as he used also his personal account before he incorporated and openend an account in Poland. I would appreciate more info about why that government closed the account and if they seized the funds or were ok with releasing them.
I do understand you are worried about your funds. It's rightful to feel worried and concerned.
But accusing him of fraud and threatening with violence locking him up in a cage, I find repulsive!
To the one doing this, I feel angry with you.
It is absolutely immoral to threaten to initiate violence against him.
I would never offer any services to you, knowing that you have no problem initiating violence when I fail to deliver.
Even if it was true that he defrauded you of your money, it's still immoral to initiate violence.
Take responsibility for your own actions.
As you know the exchange is basically free and living from donations. Donations that are needed to pay for customer support, technical support and legal support for example.
Have you given any donations that can actually pay a bill or two?
I do want to thank you for your sharing of information and research. And again my sympathies to you and all the others with high stress and concerns you experience due to this.
About the bank account. From what I understand here it seems to be 2 accidents following up shortly. First the bank account being closed by authorities in Poland, which he did not announce before today (right?) but he did change bank account a few days ago to his personal one, which makes sense to me as he used also his personal account before he incorporated and openend an account in Poland. I would appreciate more info about why that government closed the account and if they seized the funds or were ok with releasing them.
Yes i'm certainly considering action against him, due to the lack of information at all! Sometimes you need to announce drastic steps to get a reaction. Even ShitGox gave a statement what went wrong.
Only hours later, after obtuse tweets about DDOS that seemed, in the end, to be inaccurate.Quote
And get the facts together:
You mostly listed irrelevant rumours, and those that are true are mostly just artifacts of being a small business suddenly overrun with customers. No, it's not a good way to run a business, but it's also neither fraud nor illegal in any form.Quote
- According to few pics i found, looked like he runs several (at least 5 or 6, maybe more) 5GH/s Bitforce miners. All of you are able to calculate...
So what? If that's personal then it's none of your concern. If it's business then it's good, his business should be well set to make good any debts he owes as a result of the trading engine bugs. From what I've seen all the errors are in the customer's favour, so so far the only loser is the site, and hopefully the profits cover those losses.Quote
- Never seen him in chat or must have missed him. Normally i'd show up and answer questions, talk to my clients few times a day for 10 minutes or so. Let them feel you are there even if not visible!
I've never seen my bank manager in chat, but I didn't send the police over when their website was down last summer.Quote
- Phone number i've found isn't active
Why should it be, did they officially publish it? It's still not a crime.And now ask yourself, how would you pull a really profitable scam?
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I think most of you never ran their own business, dealing with all sorts of idiots out there, ppl not willing to pay their invoices and so on. Sometimes you have to draw a line!
Do you have a copy of the terms and conditions you agreed to? Has he violated any? I don't recall seeing any form of SLA or other uptime guarantee. It's the nature of all these trading sites - they are unregulated, any money or coins you deposit are theirs to hold on your behalf, and although you may hope to be able to access them easily, in practice all these sites seem to have variable performance, especially for withdrawals.
here he asked about how to fix the bug back then:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15026825/php-mysql-how-to-prevent-two-requests-update
---via http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1c864t/what_happened_on_bitcoin24_today/
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15026825/php-mysql-how-to-prevent-two-requests-update
---via http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1c864t/what_happened_on_bitcoin24_today/
php+mysql might not be the best platform for order book processing... just saying...
here he asked about how to fix the bug back then:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15026825/php-mysql-how-to-prevent-two-requests-update
---via http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1c864t/what_happened_on_bitcoin24_today/
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15026825/php-mysql-how-to-prevent-two-requests-update
---via http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1c864t/what_happened_on_bitcoin24_today/
Holy crap, I can't believe he was not using FOR UPDATE transactions to begin with. I wonder if he was using InnoDB... now I am a little bit worried!!
here he asked about how to fix the bug back then:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15026825/php-mysql-how-to-prevent-two-requests-update
---via http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1c864t/what_happened_on_bitcoin24_today/
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15026825/php-mysql-how-to-prevent-two-requests-update
---via http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1c864t/what_happened_on_bitcoin24_today/
Regarding the German/Polish account. I deposited Euros to the Polish account 09.04.2013 in the evening, not realizing that the account number changed. Since my bank refused to cancel the payment, I filed a support ticket at btc-24 with following response:
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Kathi John replied
Hello,
the old bank account is also an active one.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Best regards
Kathi
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BTC24 Ltd.
69 Great Hampton St
Birmingham
B18 6EW
Great Britain
This is an email from 10.04.2013 Hello,
the old bank account is also an active one.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Best regards
Kathi
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BTC24 Ltd.
69 Great Hampton St
Birmingham
B18 6EW
Great Britain
Simon Hausdorfs Bitcoin Wallets:
Cold Storage:
1GcWYgqbdtzZAGsX2iSVBS74cPBiQjCiRg > https://blockchain.info/address/1GcWYgqbdtzZAGsX2iSVBS74cPBiQjCiRg
Balance: 8,848.39013303
Semi Hot Wallet (maybe Cold storage):
1AnixjBYxpTzAmfSa8kRdBiUaSGV2e9d26 > https://blockchain.info/address/1AnixjBYxpTzAmfSa8kRdBiUaSGV2e9d26
Balance: 7,100.77857022
Hot Wallet:
1BTC24yVKQdQNAa4vX71xLUC5A8Za7Rr71 > https://blockchain.info/address/1BTC24yVKQdQNAa4vX71xLUC5A8Za7Rr71
Balance: 0
Affiliated Wallets, probably his own, since all the affiliated addresses send each other coins:
1AfY3571v8VbhMq19DA44378qSXPQmv734 > https://blockchain.info/address/1AfY3571v8VbhMq19DA44378qSXPQmv734
Balance: 599
Received BTC from 1GcWY as well as 1Anixj
https://blockchain.info/tx/e83076451c35e85733686d238ba6ae0d5bf7a3ce80d4c04390625e6f6e75157a
https://blockchain.info/tx/d50082cf25e3ea2b9f7811c5c747fd2414004c2bb1e7f100028f23f642c65565
1MVCn7PuFtnCgHKjYvVpqE62ifVKNCA8mU > https://blockchain.info/address/1MVCn7PuFtnCgHKjYvVpqE62ifVKNCA8mU
Balance: 1,532.00
Received BTC from 1Anix as well as 1AfY
Makes a total of 18079 BTC in control of Simon Hausdorf, and thats what I found in about 5 Minutes work. If we search deeper, we might find more. I found some edgy 96.xxxxBTC transfers from 1Anix but I am not sure if they are his because some of them are spend. But its unusual he sends money from 1Anix, since this is his cold storage(or maybe not).
Feel free to contribute.
Cold Storage:
1GcWYgqbdtzZAGsX2iSVBS74cPBiQjCiRg > https://blockchain.info/address/1GcWYgqbdtzZAGsX2iSVBS74cPBiQjCiRg
Balance: 8,848.39013303
Semi Hot Wallet (maybe Cold storage):
1AnixjBYxpTzAmfSa8kRdBiUaSGV2e9d26 > https://blockchain.info/address/1AnixjBYxpTzAmfSa8kRdBiUaSGV2e9d26
Balance: 7,100.77857022
Hot Wallet:
1BTC24yVKQdQNAa4vX71xLUC5A8Za7Rr71 > https://blockchain.info/address/1BTC24yVKQdQNAa4vX71xLUC5A8Za7Rr71
Balance: 0
Affiliated Wallets, probably his own, since all the affiliated addresses send each other coins:
1AfY3571v8VbhMq19DA44378qSXPQmv734 > https://blockchain.info/address/1AfY3571v8VbhMq19DA44378qSXPQmv734
Balance: 599
Received BTC from 1GcWY as well as 1Anixj
https://blockchain.info/tx/e83076451c35e85733686d238ba6ae0d5bf7a3ce80d4c04390625e6f6e75157a
https://blockchain.info/tx/d50082cf25e3ea2b9f7811c5c747fd2414004c2bb1e7f100028f23f642c65565
1MVCn7PuFtnCgHKjYvVpqE62ifVKNCA8mU > https://blockchain.info/address/1MVCn7PuFtnCgHKjYvVpqE62ifVKNCA8mU
Balance: 1,532.00
Received BTC from 1Anix as well as 1AfY
Makes a total of 18079 BTC in control of Simon Hausdorf, and thats what I found in about 5 Minutes work. If we search deeper, we might find more. I found some edgy 96.xxxxBTC transfers from 1Anix but I am not sure if they are his because some of them are spend. But its unusual he sends money from 1Anix, since this is his cold storage(or maybe not).
Feel free to contribute.
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you are an a*****e
Be sure i checked that number before, i don't wanna have hundreds of ppl calling him, keeping him away from work if he tries to fix the engine
.And yeah, sometimes you have to be an asshole. You have to say "NO STEP FURTHER" sometimes and defend your point of view in the first, even if it might piss off people. But you always have to be open for other arguments, discuss them, think your position over, move a bit when the opposite moves, too. In the end you have a solution were all keep up appearances.
Since i have a few thousand € in there, i can be your worst nightmare if you don't treat me well!
I am still undecided what the shutdown means, but you sir should have lost this money in the recent crash.
WTF do you mean by that ? Should have lost??? That doesn't mean anything.
So the trading engine froze at the same time as authorities froze his bank account? hmmm...
Yeah, sounds fishy to me too. No mention of the bug either though I clearly witnessed it and I had a few 1000 euro extra balance that I shouldnt have had. Which means someone else or btc-24 is missing that. Last time I checked they werent a central bank.
I also find it pretty fishy. There is something he's not telling us...
maybe I shouldnt think out loud... but the statement on the website about the lawyers and the bank account makes me wonder...
bitcoin price crash.. the Polish bank account gets shut. Now using account (private? in own name, not business name? in Germany... Shock publicity about the crash leading to action by the banks to forbid transfers to/from bitcoin operators...
So the trading engine froze at the same time as authorities froze his bank account? hmmm...
i don't think so because he changed the bank account in his website (from the polish account to his personal account) 2-3 days ago.
While the website went down at around 12:00 GMT today
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