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Yah exactly, Bitcoin has no central point of failure - it is unstoppable.

Even if the governments of India, USA, Russia, China and even big companies Apple, Amazon, all came together came out to make bitcoin illegal and said "do not use" it would do nothing and Bitcoin would continue its progress  and adoption

Judging from some other posts on the forum, it appears some don't quite understand this fact?
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As Bitcoin's market cap grows, how much pressure does that put on fiat/debt issuance total? Does it pressure it to expand or contract fiat in supply?
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What would current estimates be of the current fiat supply/debt? Would it be above $152 trillion now? Or under?
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Bitcoin: A Hedge Against The $152 Trillion Ponzi Debt Bubble

Article: https://cryptohustle.com/bitcoin-a-hedge-against-the-152-trillion-ponzi-debt-bubble

Global fiat issuance of currencies in the form of banknotes as well as credit has been devaluing the wealth of cash savings, fixed incomes, and paychecks.

Excerpt from article:
...
"...According to Bill Gross, a billionaire bond manager, Bitcoin has the potential to counter central banks.

Many people within the legacy system are critical of negative interest rates and quantitative easing, yet the fundamental problems are rooted at a much deeper level. The entire economic credit structure operates like a convoluted Ponzi scheme, and requires an overhaul from the ground up.  
The Fractional Reserve Ponzi Scheme

The history of banking goes all the way back to goldsmiths who issued out receipts for physical gold stored in their vaults. The gold was kept secure and the receipts were traded as the first paper notes.
..."
[continues on]
A word is certainly enough for the wise and all the reasons why almost all governments wanted Bitcoin out of the way, can be found in op and when you hear some bank executives and some people in government calling Bitcoin names, you now know that it's their conscience pricking them or simply scared of people are coming to know they've been in bondage all the while.

Bitcoin is freedom in every ramification and the most interesting part is that its decentralized nature is a technical knock out to the authorities, who ordinarily would have nailed its coffin long ago.

Yah exactly, Bitcoin has no central point of failure - it is unstoppable.

Even if the governments of India, USA, Russia, China and even big companies Apple, Amazon, all came together came out to make bitcoin illegal and said "do not use" it would do nothing and Bitcoin would continue its progress  and adoption
sr. member
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Who woulda thought that decentralized open-source immutable scarce global currency would be the ultimate store of value?
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Bitcoin: A Hedge Against The $152 Trillion Ponzi Debt Bubble

Article: https://cryptohustle.com/bitcoin-a-hedge-against-the-152-trillion-ponzi-debt-bubble

Global fiat issuance of currencies in the form of banknotes as well as credit has been devaluing the wealth of cash savings, fixed incomes, and paychecks.

Excerpt from article:
...
"...According to Bill Gross, a billionaire bond manager, Bitcoin has the potential to counter central banks.

Many people within the legacy system are critical of negative interest rates and quantitative easing, yet the fundamental problems are rooted at a much deeper level. The entire economic credit structure operates like a convoluted Ponzi scheme, and requires an overhaul from the ground up.  
The Fractional Reserve Ponzi Scheme

The history of banking goes all the way back to goldsmiths who issued out receipts for physical gold stored in their vaults. The gold was kept secure and the receipts were traded as the first paper notes.
..."
[continues on]
A word is certainly enough for the wise and all the reasons why almost all governments wanted Bitcoin out of the way, can be found in op and when you hear some bank executives and some people in government calling Bitcoin names, you now know that it's their conscience pricking them or simply scared of people are coming to know they've been in bondage all the while.

Bitcoin is freedom in every ramification and the most interesting part is that its decentralized nature is a technical knock out to the authorities, who ordinarily would have nailed its coffin long ago.
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Bitcoin: A Hedge Against The $152 Trillion Ponzi Debt Bubble


Global fiat issuance of currencies in the form of banknotes as well as credit has been devaluing the wealth of cash savings, fixed incomes, and paychecks.


Such an incredibly stupid statement I wouldn't even know where to start.

How about this:

- paychecks have not been "devalued" over time
- cash savings has not been "devalued" over time
- fixed incomes have not been "devalued" over time

I guess that's a start.

But the person who made the statement is a billionaire and that holds some value.

Haha yah.

Bitcoin: A Hedge Against The $152 Trillion Ponzi Debt Bubble
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Such an incredibly stupid statement I wouldn't even know where to start.

How about this:

- paychecks have not been "devalued" over time
- cash savings has not been "devalued" over time
- fixed incomes have not been "devalued" over time

I guess that's a start.

LOL nice joke.

Its obvious as time goes on all of those have devalued. Just so others understand your joke:

- paychecks have not been "devalued" over time
the fiat from paycheck 10 years ago buys today less (good) higher education, less rent (or purchase) of desirable real estate, less high-skilled labor for a new business, less good healthcare/hospital costs = DEVALUED

the fiat from paycheck 20 years ago buys today less (good) higher education, less rent (or purchase) of desirable real estate, less high-skilled labor for a new business, less good healthcare/hospital costs = DEVALUED

- cash savings has not been "devalued" over time
the fiat from cash savings 10 years ago buys today less (good) higher education, less rent (or purchase) of desirable real estate, less high-skilled labor for a new business, less good healthcare/hospital costs = DEVALUED

the fiat from cash savings 20 years ago buys today less (good) higher education, less rent (or purchase) of desirable real estate, less high-skilled labor for a new business, less good healthcare/hospital costs = DEVALUED

- fixed incomes have not been "devalued" over time
the fiat from fixed income (ie social security check or fixed pension payment) 10 years ago buys today less (good) higher education, less rent (or purchase) of desirable real estate, less high-skilled labor for a new business, less good healthcare/hospital costs = DEVALUED

the fiat from fixed income (ie social security check or fixed pension payment) 20 years ago buys today less (good) higher education, less rent (or purchase) of desirable real estate, less high-skilled labor for a new business, less good healthcare/hospital costs = DEVALUED

Thank you though.
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Bitcoin: A Hedge Against The $152 Trillion Ponzi Debt Bubble


Global fiat issuance of currencies in the form of banknotes as well as credit has been devaluing the wealth of cash savings, fixed incomes, and paychecks.


Such an incredibly stupid statement I wouldn't even know where to start.

How about this:

- paychecks have not been "devalued" over time
- cash savings has not been "devalued" over time
- fixed incomes have not been "devalued" over time

I guess that's a start.

But the person who made the statement is a billionaire and that holds some value.
sr. member
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Good, finally some people writing about Bitcoin being something beneficial! Not only that, they recognize the global economies are built entirely on an ever-inflating debt scheme which will never, ever get paid off and will have to collapse before anything happens! Who would have guessed they would make something that actually reflects reality (to some extent)?

Most of the time you never see any kind of positive comments about Bitcoin, seeing some people finally talk about the global economy being completely unsustainable, and Bitcoin being a hedge against the entire thing, is actually kind of nice to be honest. It doesn't have to affect the price at all; the news itself is good enough imo.

Yah its inspiring to see the discussion!

Hopefully it becomes clear to those still learning that Bitcoin reached escape velocity 4-years ago in 2013 which means it cannot be stopped - cannot make it illegal or legal - governments/banks do not matter.

On the opposite end of the spectrum the global fiat (US Dollars, Indian Rupees, Chinese Yuan, etc) bubble system broke a couple of decades ago.

Fiat around the world is forced to inflate issuance as its heavily infested, burdened and broken with:
-regulatory burden on fiat banks & system (incredibly costly)
-unemployment & other welfare costs
-inflating fiat to keep stock market rising and to keep house-prices from collapsing
-financing conflicts, bombs, and "aid"
-insurance fraud
-false claims and insurance loss-events
-stabilize regions after natural disasters
-keeping monopolies with internet access centralized and search engine crawlers centralized
-money laundering
-chargebacks
-frivolous legal costs (lawsuits bogging the system down)
-state-sponsored corruption and unofficial corruption (governments and gangs, banks and conartists)
-retirement obligations (debasement in value to keep up with payments from government or other retirement-obligations)
-fake credit (goods being transacted with credit-loss, replaced by inflation of monetary base rather than bringing perpetrators & source to justice)
-using enforcement labor to freeze accounts and assets and take away your money
-costs of auditors and budgetors and accountants to governments and businesses

Bitcoin, systemically, is free from these burdens.
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Good, finally some people writing about Bitcoin being something beneficial! Not only that, they recognize the global economies are built entirely on an ever-inflating debt scheme which will never, ever get paid off and will have to collapse before anything happens! Who would have guessed they would make something that actually reflects reality (to some extent)?

Most of the time you never see any kind of positive comments about Bitcoin, seeing some people finally talk about the global economy being completely unsustainable, and Bitcoin being a hedge against the entire thing, is actually kind of nice to be honest. It doesn't have to affect the price at all; the news itself is good enough imo.
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Also, (I think) there's been a bill floating around congress regarding the metal content
of coins.  Those have already been devalued to death, but it costs more than 5 cents
to mint a nickel, and the 1 cent coin is close to that.  They are devaluing everything!

Canada has already got rid of the penny, and we're moving toward a system of money
where anonymity is impossible.  And I agree wholeheartedly that the Fed pumping
dollars into the system will eventually inflate everything beyond belief.  It's a scary,
crazy world we're living in.
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Bitcoin reaching $1 trillion market cap well before 2030 would be a trivial feat in this bizarre global fiat credit currency system.
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Bitcoin :open immutable decentralized global fair
Bitcoin: A Hedge Against The $152 Trillion Ponzi Debt Bubble

Article: https://cryptohustle.com/bitcoin-a-hedge-against-the-152-trillion-ponzi-debt-bubble

Global fiat issuance of currencies in the form of banknotes as well as credit has been devaluing the wealth of cash savings, fixed incomes, and paychecks.

Excerpt from article:
...
"...According to Bill Gross, a billionaire bond manager, Bitcoin has the potential to counter central banks.

Many people within the legacy system are critical of negative interest rates and quantitative easing, yet the fundamental problems are rooted at a much deeper level. The entire economic credit structure operates like a convoluted Ponzi scheme, and requires an overhaul from the ground up. 
The Fractional Reserve Ponzi Scheme

The history of banking goes all the way back to goldsmiths who issued out receipts for physical gold stored in their vaults. The gold was kept secure and the receipts were traded as the first paper notes.
..."
[continues on]
(snip)

Anyways, the article is completely right. I don't think that people realise how dangerous central banks can really be. Just take a look at zimbabwe and Venezuela, two very recent examples. We're not even in the 20th century, this is 21st century stuff. Both countries looked healthy before their hyperinflation began to overtake the entire economy. Things can happen so quickly. But people who live in a country that currently has good economic standards seem to not care about a decentralized movement or currency because they think that it's enough to have fiat.

It obviously can't be farther from the truth. But really, dumb people can hold their fiats all they want. I'll just keep buying bitcoin and hold it for the long term.

Even more dangerous would be the reaction of all the peaceful citizens of the world after they found out the extent of fiat (institutional fraud) from central banks from nearly every country in the world.

Central Bank system perpetuates the worst funny-money games.
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Bitcoin: A Hedge Against The $152 Trillion Ponzi Debt Bubble

Article: https://cryptohustle.com/bitcoin-a-hedge-against-the-152-trillion-ponzi-debt-bubble

Global fiat issuance of currencies in the form of banknotes as well as credit has been devaluing the wealth of cash savings, fixed incomes, and paychecks.

Excerpt from article:
...
"...According to Bill Gross, a billionaire bond manager, Bitcoin has the potential to counter central banks.

Many people within the legacy system are critical of negative interest rates and quantitative easing, yet the fundamental problems are rooted at a much deeper level. The entire economic credit structure operates like a convoluted Ponzi scheme, and requires an overhaul from the ground up. 
The Fractional Reserve Ponzi Scheme

The history of banking goes all the way back to goldsmiths who issued out receipts for physical gold stored in their vaults. The gold was kept secure and the receipts were traded as the first paper notes.
..."
[continues on]

Lol i thought it was Bill Gates for a sec, and i was like wow the #1 richest man in the world is actively supporting bitcoin! I was so happy for a second, lol. (Just for the record, Bill Gates does seem to support bitcoin or at least say positive things about it. It's just that he does not actively do so).

Anyways, the article is completely right. I don't think that people realise how dangerous central banks can really be. Just take a look at zimbabwe and Venezuela, two very recent examples. We're not even in the 20th century, this is 21st century stuff. Both countries looked healthy before their hyperinflation began to overtake the entire economy. Things can happen so quickly. But people who live in a country that currently has good economic standards seem to not care about a decentralized movement or currency because they think that it's enough to have fiat.

It obviously can't be farther from the truth. But really, dumb people can hold their fiats all they want. I'll just keep buying bitcoin and hold it for the long term.
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Well, When the banks were created people also doubted it's integrity why would i keep all my money to this certain establishment? How safe my money was? Now bitcoin comes a long people also doubted but much more than that they have the full control of their money in which the bank can't give you Smiley Is bitcoin really ponzi so as your statements?
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Bitcoin: A Hedge Against The $152 Trillion Ponzi Debt Bubble

Article: https://cryptohustle.com/bitcoin-a-hedge-against-the-152-trillion-ponzi-debt-bubble

Global fiat issuance of currencies in the form of banknotes as well as credit has been devaluing the wealth of cash savings, fixed incomes, and paychecks.

Excerpt from article:
...
"...According to Bill Gross, a billionaire bond manager, Bitcoin has the potential to counter central banks.

Many people within the legacy system are critical of negative interest rates and quantitative easing, yet the fundamental problems are rooted at a much deeper level. The entire economic credit structure operates like a convoluted Ponzi scheme, and requires an overhaul from the ground up. 
The Fractional Reserve Ponzi Scheme

The history of banking goes all the way back to goldsmiths who issued out receipts for physical gold stored in their vaults. The gold was kept secure and the receipts were traded as the first paper notes.
..."
[continues on]

Great summary.

I think a lot of people forget what bitcoin is created for. In my opinion bitcoin isn't just some sort of magic internet money that is designed to be an investment. Instead it is capable of providing a store of value to those people who do not have any access to otherwise.

Fiat currency is going to be depreciative by nature because the government can and will abuse their power to print as much currency as they possibly want. Sooner or later every single fiat currency will die. There are no surviving fiat currencies in history. search it up.

Gold and silver are good store of values, and bitcoin is like gold v2.0. It's much easier to carry around(in fact you don't carry it around) and it's much more accessible than gold.
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Care to provide any decade IN THE LAST 70 YEARS with data where fiat wasn't devalued?
Its pretty clear that fiat devalues over time, for example:
the fiat from cash savings 10 years ago buys today less (good) higher education, less rent (or purchase) of desirable real estate, less high-skilled labor for a new business, less good healthcare/hospital costs = DEVALUED

Can you point to me 1 person who 10 years ago put all their money into "fiat cash" and put it, say, under the bed.

Nobody does that. Why? Because a currency is not an investment. A currency is what you pay for things with and is what things are priced in.

Nobody holds cash as an investment. They hold:

- stocks
- bonds
- real estate
- cars
- boats
- fine art
- airplanes
- LLC stakes
- loans
- etc.

None of those are fiat cash. In fact, many people borrow "fiat cash" and buy assets so they are net negative (short) fiat cash. They have a mortgage on a house they need to pay off over time. They are negative "fiat cash"

So, the whole premise of what you are talking about is completely wrong. Nobody "saves fiat cash". Even a bank deposit isn't "fiat cash" as fiat cash has a zero return. It is always worth the same. A dollar is worth a dollar.



The stupidity here is amazing. Off to trade Forex. You know investments in currencies.

Delete your account
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Can you point to me 1 person who 10 years ago put all their money into "fiat cash" and put it, say, under the bed.

Nobody does that. Why? Because a currency is not an investment. A currency is what you pay for things with and is what things are priced in.


It's not like the Forex market has a daily turnover of 1.5 Trillion dollars or anything... LOL I guess that "one person" would be George Soros, the gentleman who broke the bank of England, or maybe the lovely gentlemen over at Goldman Sachs.

Fiat currency can absolutely be used as an investment vehicle and MANY MANY investors bet against one country's currency with another country's currency... For instance, when people want to escape the USD they go to JPY, causing JPY to rise majorly against the USD, A.K.A. profit.

Also don't forget that the "carry trade" was one of the most profitable trades for nearly a decade. It was very simple, you simply borrow one country's currency with a low interest rate, and buy another country's currency with a higher interest rate. You make a profit by daily interest rate payments.

You might not see the dollar move because you are based in a dollar-priced economy, but it does move... It causes the prices of the goods & services you depend on to fluctuate in value, and it's absolutely undeniable that it's purchasing power has gone down majorly as more and more dollars are printed over the years/decades.
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I agree with the article that one of the symptoms of the current financial sittuation is the wage slavery. Its somewhat a solution to the existing problem, by having a numerous almost slave like labour that is so much in debt that it will serve as a good financial colateral.

As long as people can be sold into the debt bondage the system won't collapse, as it does not matter if the system is absurdal. If it has a free lunch in form of slaves, the efficiency is not important.

Very interesting thoughts.

...But what if those same wages were instead paid in Bitcoin?
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I agree with the article that one of the symptoms of the current financial sittuation is the wage slavery. Its somewhat a solution to the existing problem, by having a numerous almost slave like labour that is so much in debt that it will serve as a good financial colateral.

As long as people can be sold into the debt bondage the system won't collapse, as it does not matter if the system is absurdal. If it has a free lunch in form of slaves, the efficiency is not important.
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