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Topic: Bitcoin already using too much power by 2020? - page 5. (Read 6843 times)

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The bad thing is that nobody will know what is going to happen with the Bitcoin and that is the problem because it is really hard to predict for what will happen in the future.
And as you can see now you see also that there are more people that is holding their coins for later.

If we all work hard, promote and develop the bitcoin, bitcoin will be used by many people, its price will rise.
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The bad thing is that nobody will know what is going to happen with the Bitcoin and that is the problem because it is really hard to predict for what will happen in the future.
And as you can see now you see also that there are more people that is holding their coins for later.
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I’m an engaged environmental researcher and have recently become a bitcoin enthusiast.These are two possibly conflicting fascinations, as previously pointed out by Christopher Malmo here at Motherboard. That’s because bitcoin is incredibly energy intensive: at the time of Malmo’s piece, he calculated that a single bitcoin transaction requires as much electricity as the daily consumption of 1.6 American households, and that number has increased since then. “Adopting Bitcoin as a major currency anytime in the next few decades,” he wrote, “would just exacerbate anthropogenic climate change by needlessly increasing electricity consumption until it’s too late.”

Currently one transaction cost slightly under 8 USD. The catastrophic scenarios for climate change by needlessly increasing electricity consumption is only if the Bitcoin price skyrockets (much more than doubling every 4 years) which I doubt can happen.

The good thing is we should just expect doubling price every 4 years, which is great return on investment if it can continue longterm - and the best of all, in this case energy consuption of miners remains the same longterm (about the same in 30 years as now). So basically the Bitcoin price defines energy consuption of Bitcoin network.
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PoS maybe the way for solution but it has to be improved and with secure in mind.
There is no work involved in proof of stake. It's like a perpetual motion machine then(even more so than it is now), there is no work involved. We need work in order for bitcoin to be fungible and secure. Proof of stake isn't really as secure as you think. Hybrid pow/pos is as retarded.
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The amount of transactions doesn't increase the need of mining hardware.

1 smartphone could validate all transactions if necessary.

Only f its profitable for the miners they will mine, and if it's very profitable then they might end up using a lot of energy
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PoS maybe the way for solution but it has to be improved and with secure in mind.
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It's using power for mining. It's a crucial part of Bitcoin, without which it couldn't exist.
yes you might right,its crucial part of bitcoin,but its not mean bitcoin cannot spent power anymore,bitcoin can spent power from different material,if people still mining bitcoin with electricity from govrement,then in future they should change it into solar energy.
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Proof of Stake? It solves the problem of you breaking your computer/ASIC, and using all the electricity to hash away.

But this also comes with the downside of a "nothing at risk" attack, and how with this, the ASIC market will crash.


I’m an engaged environmental researcher and have recently become a bitcoin enthusiast.These are two possibly conflicting fascinations, as previously pointed out by Christopher Malmo here at Motherboard. That’s because bitcoin is incredibly energy intensive: at the time of Malmo’s piece, he calculated that a single bitcoin transaction requires as much electricity as the daily consumption of 1.6 American households, and that number has increased since then. “Adopting Bitcoin as a major currency anytime in the next few decades,” he wrote, “would just exacerbate anthropogenic climate change by needlessly increasing electricity consumption until it’s too late.”
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Proof of Work (Pow) is not a sustainable reward system. It would be impossible for bitcoin to reach any sort of mainstream adoption with this severely flawed energy-gobbling incentivizing scheme.

If we look at nature, rainfall is not rewarded for nourishing plants. The sun is not rewarded for its life giving rays. I think the ultimate mining system will be one that's sustainable and more closely models nature.

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Bitcoin will always be powered
legendary
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Ask yourself this - how much power does our current global financial policy use?

In the current financial system,  it makes "financial sense" to make something in china, put it on a boat, send it across an ocean, sell it to an idiot, the idiot then discards it, the item is put back on a boat, and then sent back to china for "recycling" .

How much energy did that use?

The financial policies of bitcoin, which use energy to verify our distributed ledger, is billions of times more efficient than the current financial policies of individual nation states manipulating currency values to make their indicators positive.
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It's using power for mining. It's a crucial part of Bitcoin, without which it couldn't exist.
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Bitcoin is using many power but anyway it brings money to people who mining and they don't care about overusing. At my opinion need limit on using power.
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i never thought about this,i'm not a miner,so i dont think i spent many power. but bitcoin miners should consider about this,in future if they still mine bitcoin,they will spent so many power just for their rich,its really selfish. they should use alternative power to mine bitcoin.
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Bitcoin is going to be more popular in the future and that is perfect for the people with Bitcoin already and the most are also hoping that it will be more worth.
But the bad thing is that you cant know what is going to happen so you need also to take some risks.

Yup, Bitcoin will be much more popular in the future and a lot more fun in the future. Because Bitoin will be one of the currencies that will be crowded with users because it is always the transaction digitally. You have to know that all the stores have already switched to digital and they use media digital payment. And this is a wonderful beginning for Bitcoin.
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Bitcoin is going to be more popular in the future and that is perfect for the people with Bitcoin already and the most are also hoping that it will be more worth.
But the bad thing is that you cant know what is going to happen so you need also to take some risks.
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why is the bitcoin using t much power that's only great because how many publicity he gets
how better it is for the future of the coin. And he wont disappear is more and more people are using them.
so be patient he will be big.
legendary
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Guys can I chime in on the profitability of solar panels debate? In my country solar panels are mostly used to power water heaters and bear in mind that the weather conditions here are relatively good throughout the year so there is usually sufficient solar energy from the sun to heat your water. But what are you going to do when the weather conditions are not optimal for the solar panels to work efficiently like in the winter and fall when the weather is cloudy and the sun is not out? Unless your solar panel mining farm is in a tropical country with non-stop sunny weather I doubt your solar panel installation will pay off in the long run. And solar panels are not cheap either and require an initial investment on top of your other mining hardware so in the end you are putting in a lot of cash and rely upon many changeable factors that can lead to negative profit easily. At least with grid power you know what you are getting 24/7 and can project what the current and future expenses will be according to the increasing difficulty.
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No, solar power, even in the middle of the Sahara, is much more expensive than running a diesel generator. Which, in turn, is much more expensive than burning coal. That's why it makes zero sense, that's why IRL power companies burn coal.
Solar collectors plantation in the middle of Sahara would save all humanity energy problems, an it is actually not a problem to put them there.
The problem is transferring that collected energy over extremely long distance (power loss is simply to severe), there is also no 'battery technology' available to save collected energy for later.

Yes, there are battery solutions, they're expensive as f8ck. You can also pump water uphill, and run it back through a microhydro turbine at night. Also impractical/expensive as f8ck. We're not looking for stuff that's technologically feasible, we're trying to find something that can compete with coal-fired, government-subsidized $.03KWh.
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Backtrack a little: you're comparing solar to the cost of running a diesel generator in Italy, paying $4.725/gal. You don't want to do that, don't mine in Italy with a diesel generator. Because Chinese miners are paying $.03/KWh, you'll go broke on diesel or solar.
You're focusing on little things, the point is we aren't talking about china being the only miners, and it really doesn't matter what china is paying t mine. What matters to miners is if it is profitable for them to mine, and if the electric cost seems to expensive where they live but yet they want to mine and are willing to put up an investment for solar panels it can definitely work and work decently.
But mining on solar, diesel, or even grid power across most western countries *is* unprofitable. That's why Bitcoin is mined in places like China and Iceland (where bitcoin use isn't even legal). The solar panels *will never pay for themselves*. Mining on grid power, which is constant, doesn't require batteries and inverters and stuff, and is far cheaper, still doesn't make sense. *That's why it's not done much.*
Did you not read the math I just had posted, US electric power a standard rate being .13kwh on grid, say you are mining a total of 7kwh worth a day and plan to mine for 5 years you will pay either $.91 (91 cents) each day. ($332.15 a year) ($1660.75 for 5 years) or $1100 for the solar setup. The solar panels have paid for themselves in this set up.

No one is mining in US @ $.13, not bitcoin, not for profit, that's crazy talk.
Mining is done in China, @ $.03
You talk about $1100 for the solar setup, which works only when the sun shines. NO ONE CURRENTLY MINES ON SOLAR, they're lying to you if they say they do.

In short, please provide some actual data (hardware, specs, miners currently mining with solar power) I can verify for myself, as in links, or this is pointless.
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