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Topic: Bitcoin as a better store of value than gold - page 12. (Read 20456 times)

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Wouldn't gold's physical nature be a real weakness because it could cause a "centralization in vaults" problem? How much gold can an individual legally own and store in your homes in your country?

Then there is Bitcoin. It is virtual, and it opens a world of private key ownership, and therefore, true sovereign ownership of private property which governments cannot control.



Yes it can be but there is no stable value for bitcoin so the people who want to store their money in the form of bitcoin are taking very risky move but it's really worth to do.
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Value of gold doesn’t come from its inherent value and its usage for specific applications but rather in the trust that people have put in its store of value. Surely cryptocurrency will succeed as a potential form of money because of it's handy properties: 1.once transactions happened they can’t be taken back 2.can be transacted across borders and everywhere around the world
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Bitcoin has the potential to become a virtual gold. In other for this to happen it needs first to fix 3 of the main constraints: scalability, volatility and adoption rate.
Isn't it already? But I don't think bitcoin should be considered as gold. Bitcoin were created to use for daily financial transactions. It was created to replace the fiat money. Instead of holding it we should be using it more often at least at this price the transaction fees are not much.
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Well actually BTC it's controlled by government and the banks.This is why BTC it's not accepted in some countries, so you can have how many BTC you want but if you can't transform them in cash then it's not so much that you can do.In the other hand, gold will never lose its value, but both of them have benefits and disadvantages.
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Bitcoin can't compare to gold, because they two has there different functions in price demand, therefore I prefer investing in bitcoin, because is a very secure business with out paying for security, which is a digital found than Gold.
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Safe assets are chosen by investors when there are smell of crash in financial markets. Gold futures are traded along with price of spot gold but in bitcoin things don't turn in same way. Bitcoin can't be store of value due to nonefficient fetaures like volatility,less secure..
Right. Risking money doesn't mean storing it. If BTC was a good asset for storage, nobody would need USDT. Can you invest your house into Bitcoin today? You won't invest it in any cryptocurrency, even if it is stable. No need to risk our profits to prove that we believe bitcoin.
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You can compare Bitcoin with pure Gold. As gold is an asset to you & it increases it's value with the flow of time, same with Bitcoin. But here are more advantages. Bitcoin is not like shares in the share market. Like if the share price of a firm goes really down, it doesn't go up so easily. But it's different in case of Bitcoin. As the circulation of Bitcoin increases & trading increases price gradually increases. Some people are really crazy who thinks to invest & earn a handsome in the very next moment. But as all we know it’s not possible.
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Safe assets are chosen by investors when there are smell of crash in financial markets. Gold futures are traded along with price of spot gold but in bitcoin things don't turn in same way. Bitcoin can't be store of value due to nonefficient fetaures like volatility,less secure..
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Let's be honest Gold has ever been the safest investment compared to bitcoins as it never been a time the price of gold has dropped to much like that of bitcoins. however bitcoin can make people rich in a very fast rate but it has a downside that you can become a poor overnight. you know what i mean.
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The best store of value has the biggest network of users and the most market liquidity

hense why instead of pushing to remove bitcoin utility and HOPE the Store of Value remains. your missing the point of what gives it the value. (VALUE not price). as decreasing VALUE leads to effecting the price


Who's removing "Bitcoin utility"?

Removing its feature as a medium of exchange?

I believe Bitcoin is not useful as a medium of exchange first, because of the opportunity costs. The users who might be willing to tolerate that cost might be the people who are using it for illegal transactions, in which not using Bitcoin might cost them more.

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If a better store of value than Bitcoin came, then it would mean that gold, and Bitcoin are inferior. Plus in context of this topic, gold is debatably already inferior to Bitcoin because of gold's physical nature, which can be a disadvantage.
That's actually a good point. I have always wondered that if something is ever able to turn gold into a second tier store of value, and that after thousands of years worth of history, it's a cycle and therefore repeats itself.

Gold obviously is still the main store of value, but it's interesting food for thought. It might very well be why gold fanatics are similar to Bitcoin maximalist when it comes to the asset they hold.

Everything that challenges gold is shit by default, and everything that challenges Bitcoin is shit by default. I'm however glad that gold and Bitcoin can perfectly fine complement each other throughout their existence.
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The best store of value has the biggest network of users and the most market liquidity

untrue
1. FIAT: america 300m+ users.. china 1billion+.. yet the world follows the dollar
2. best store of value is more about utility.

You realize the USD is the world reserve currency, right? It's the basis for international settlement. It's usage far surpasses the US population. The yuan pales in comparison, both in terms of usage and liquidity. The yuan is known for its extremely tight liquidity since it is so tightly controlled by the Chinese government through state-run banks.

The best store of value is about utility -- and the USD has much, much further reach than the CNY. It's much more useful. This parallels the ideas behind network value vis-a-vis Metcalfe's Law in cryptocurrency networks.

if people cant use it within the main network due to fee's. they will play around in other networks and then if they want to return to a blockchain network they will find the cheapest,fastest network that does the same things as bitcoin.. EG litecoin is probably going to be peoples exit out of LN
much like silver and copper coins were the exit out of banking even though before entering banks they held gold.

If that were true, network liquidity would move to Litecoin and it would become more valuable. Inevitably, though, Litecoin -- like virtually all altcoins -- would run into the same scalability bottlenecks as Bitcoin. If the market needs to find that out the hard way, so be it. It's a free market. C'est la vie.

What you don't seem to appreciate is that people will have a multitude of options. If they need superior security, they'll use Bitcoin. If they don't, they'll use something cheaper. This is a fundamentally good thing; Bitcoin doesn't need to monopolize the entire market.
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 :This is really a hot topic to be debated. Paying attention to some issues with bitcoin and gold may help in deciding which is better: For bitcoin, we have experienced volatility that drive some people away just like what have happened during a not so good market condition for cryptocurrency, the probability of getting hacked and any security issues, and the possibility of getting tracked and taxed or be questioned by the government if you have a lot of stored bitcon as can be seen in your bitcoin address. There are countries that are really monitoring the movements of money even in the form of cryptocurrency. For gold, the possibility of getting stolen is big if not placed on banks and we all know based from posts that many hated banks. These are big issues that needs great attention. Maybe there are some other disadvantages you can share but as of now these are things worth considering in my opinion. So if we have to choose which is better between the two, I think this ideas should be weighed before deciding which of these two should we store our money.

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Wouldn't gold's physical nature be a real weakness because it could cause a "centralization in vaults" problem? How much gold can an individual legally own and store in your homes in your country?

Then there is Bitcoin. It is virtual, and it opens a world of private key ownership, and therefore, true sovereign ownership of private property which governments cannot control.



Some see bitcoin as the tool outlined in Satoshi Nakamoto’s whitepaper: they see it as a peer-to-peer form of electronic cash usable in all types of situations. Others believe bitcoin should not be usable; instead, bitcoin should be exclusively designed as a store of value.
So it all depends on our perceptions and use case at a particular point in time.
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The best store of value has the biggest network of users and the most market liquidity

untrue
1. FIAT: america 300m+ users.. china 1billion+.. yet the world follows the dollar
2. best store of value is more about utility. if people cant use it within the main network due to fee's. they will play around in other networks and then if they want to return to a blockchain network they will find the cheapest,fastest network that does the same things as bitcoin.. EG litecoin is probably going to be peoples exit out of LN
much like silver and copper coins were the exit out of banking even though before entering banks they held gold.

i know you will utopia that people will return to bitcoin network, but outside of your echo chamber. real people try to find the cheapest best options. and if bitcoins network cant give them what they want they will find other networks.

hense why instead of pushing to remove bitcoin utility and HOPE the Store of Value remains. your missing the point of what gives it the value. (VALUE not price). as decreasing VALUE leads to effecting the price
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I don't get your logic. If a better store of value than Bitcoin came, then it would mean that gold, and Bitcoin are inferior. Plus in context of this topic, gold is debatably already inferior to Bitcoin because of gold's physical nature, which can be a disadvantage.

Regardless of any asset's features, the store-of-value question ultimately boils down to the faith of its users. The best store of value has the biggest network of users and the most market liquidity -- this parallels the idea of Metcalfe's law. It'll be interesting to see how Bitcoin's market share compares to gold in a decade or two. I don't think Bitcoin will necessarily be bigger just because it's superior.

I love this explanation from Satoshi, especially that last line -- "I think people would still take up something." Like, it's not about intrinsic value or anything like that. It's just about what people choose to use as money.
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Wouldn't gold's physical nature be a real weakness because it could cause a "centralization in vaults" problem? How much gold can an individual legally own and store in your homes in your country?

Then there is Bitcoin. It is virtual, and it opens a world of private key ownership, and therefore, true sovereign ownership of private property which governments cannot control.



Centralization for gold and for its use by us is not a problem. Its use can always be only open and legal. Unlike gold, a cryptocurrency in nature has a certain level of anonymity and confidentiality.
As for the reliability of cryptocurrency and in particular, Bitcoin, as a repository of value, the year 2018 showed us that as a repository of cryptocurrency value is not reliable because of its high price volatility. Gold as a repository of value is always more reliable.
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Wouldn't gold's physical nature be a real weakness because it could cause a "centralization in vaults" problem? How much gold can an individual legally own and store in your homes in your country?

Then there is Bitcoin. It is virtual, and it opens a world of private key ownership, and therefore, true sovereign ownership of private property which governments cannot control.




Well I think people forget how often gold bars are faked and filled with tungsten bar, I would say that there is an advantage for Bitcoin there


Plus Bitcoin is provably scarce, gold is not. Cool

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but a huge advantage of gold is it's time proven store of value, we are only at ten years of Bitcoin being invented and Gold has been a store of value of ages.


But it's maybe because there was nothing better than gold, as a store of value, until Bitcoin came.

I know there are pros and cons to both, but which is truly better is open for debate.

It's more of a will bitcoin continue around? If so then it wins, if it turns into something else be a "crypto 2.0" or some other thing where Bitcoin itself is not the store of value then Gold has easily won as Bitcoin itself was a stepping stone instead of the next solution.


I don't get your logic. If a better store of value than Bitcoin came, then it would mean that gold, and Bitcoin are inferior. Plus in context of this topic, gold is debatably already inferior to Bitcoin because of gold's physical nature, which can be a disadvantage.
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yup, I think if we talk about efficiency and ease of storing assets, gold will be harder to store because the more gold the bigger the place we need. but in reality gold today is used more for other purposes than limited to investment assets, namely jewelry that is used daily, dowry for marriage etc. this extra value that bitcoin does not yet have.
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Wouldn't gold's physical nature be a real weakness because it could cause a "centralization in vaults" problem? How much gold can an individual legally own and store in your homes in your country?

Then there is Bitcoin. It is virtual, and it opens a world of private key ownership, and therefore, true sovereign ownership of private property which governments cannot control.



But the physicality of Gold makes as more confident and feels much safer for the simple reason of having this into our hands

While bitcoin promises us bigger income,higher profit in a small investing,but the only problem is the assurance and security because we dont even have on our hands instead purely speculative
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