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hero member
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October 11, 2019, 03:23:52 AM
#65
Bitcoin is a form of anarchy in the economic system. The Bitcoin system is designed to do self-rule and be supported by the application of technological advancements so that it looks amazing for mathematicians and technologists. However, according to the anarchism that has been successfully implemented in Spain, everyone must do the task according to their respective roles so that this concept can succeed.

Expecting Bitcoin to be successful is the same as expecting an anarchist social order to be realized. It seems impossible, but in fact, the social order of anarchy can be done with satisfactory results. The anarchic social order that occurred in the Spanish Revolution which lasted for more than two years before General Franco's invasion succeeded in conquering an area controlled by anarchists.

social anarchy which was also supported by economic anarchy in Spain was carried out extremely. One of them, the community supporting anarchism in Spain at that time burned government money. As a result, coupons (and even just trust) can be used to get fruit and vegetables. If you support Bitcoin to succeed only so that you can then get a lot of Dollars, you only pollute the brilliant concept of Bitcoin anarchy.
Haha I really liked the Analogy even though there is no central anarchist in human form involved in this yet Bitcoin can prove to be pain the ass of the national economies around the world. It acts as an infection to traditional economic system in a way that it provides leakages from the supply of money and even helps in money laundering and greatly hampers the power of banks to create more credit. However expecting this anarchy to create a revolution and become the sole dictator of the world economy is something like an imagination or dream. Let's see how this revolution works out.
newbie
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October 11, 2019, 03:17:04 AM
#64
This is partly true, and by anarchy I mean something positive
legendary
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October 11, 2019, 02:48:32 AM
#63
OP, I like the idealism, but some of us have come here for the money, but stayed for the revolution. Understand the incentives, encourage the greed, then it will lock everyone in. Cool

Exactly, take myself as an example.. I entered Bitcoin because I was looking for a alternative payment option. I was a victim of credit card fraud and I lost a lot of money, so I was looking for a better online payment option.

I found Bitcoin, but the real benefit of Bitcoin became more evident, when I went down the Rabbit hole and realized that there was a huge movement behind this technology to disrupt corrupt Banking practices and to re-invent the whole payment system.  Wink

Every cent that are converted to Satoshis are a step closer to true disruption and also improvement of the old legacy/centralized  payment systems.  Wink


There's also every watt of energy used to "mine" as a hedge/value transformation to research about. What most everyone is saying is "wasteful", might actually be the most revolutionary part of Bitcoin.
sr. member
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October 08, 2019, 05:12:09 AM
#62
I don't think bitcoin is a form of anarchy, anarchy is incompatible with liberty and it's not about bitcoin. If I choose my own cryptocurrency and investing in something that is risky, it doesn't mean I am against government. We can't say bitcoin is anarchy just because it is another system.

legendary
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October 08, 2019, 04:27:57 AM
#61
@WindFury @Kakmakr

same here

I originally thought "sounds like interesting tech, but obviously can't go far, maybe the banks do something like it?" How naive that was Grin
legendary
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October 08, 2019, 01:19:39 AM
#60
OP, I like the idealism, but some of us have come here for the money, but stayed for the revolution. Understand the incentives, encourage the greed, then it will lock everyone in. Cool

Exactly, take myself as an example.. I entered Bitcoin because I was looking for a alternative payment option. I was a victim of credit card fraud and I lost a lot of money, so I was looking for a better online payment option.

I found Bitcoin, but the real benefit of Bitcoin became more evident, when I went down the Rabbit hole and realized that there was a huge movement behind this technology to disrupt corrupt Banking practices and to re-invent the whole payment system.  Wink

Every cent that are converted to Satoshis are a step closer to true disruption and also improvement of the old legacy/centralized  payment systems.  Wink
legendary
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October 08, 2019, 12:35:06 AM
#59
OP, I like the idealism, but some of us have come here for the money, but stayed for the revolution. Understand the incentives, encourage the greed, then it will lock everyone in. Cool
hv_
legendary
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Clean Code and Scale
October 07, 2019, 04:58:13 PM
#58
If you dont like govs - fuck off

I want to, they won't allow it. Only choice is to go to another planet, and no doubt they'd follow everyone there and start ordering everyone about again


u voted

quit voting long ago


u are part of

no I am not, I refuse to take part in something I never asked to be a part of, especially if it is thinly disguised bullying


u can change (little)

that's not how this garbage system is marketed to the voters, but it's true: you can change something so small through the electoral system that it makes almost no difference, and gives the political class plenty of advanced warning about how to make counter-reactions that will erase any political gains the electorate can make


bitcoin is just tech - it doesnt Change much  - don't get it ?

tech is a tool. tools can be powerful. powerful tools always, every time they were created and spread, changed the world.

...and also tech and changes got us finally away from living in caves and anarchy, if u want go back, BitCoin is not ur friend

Lol
jr. member
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October 07, 2019, 09:51:28 AM
#57
Initially, it was a form of anarchy, but every year bitcoin becomes more and more subject to government and banking structures
legendary
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October 07, 2019, 09:50:00 AM
#56
If you dont like govs - fuck off

I want to, they won't allow it. Only choice is to go to another planet, and no doubt they'd follow everyone there and start ordering everyone about again


u voted

quit voting long ago


u are part of

no I am not, I refuse to take part in something I never asked to be a part of, especially if it is thinly disguised bullying


u can change (little)

that's not how this garbage system is marketed to the voters, but it's true: you can change something so small through the electoral system that it makes almost no difference, and gives the political class plenty of advanced warning about how to make counter-reactions that will erase any political gains the electorate can make


bitcoin is just tech - it doesnt Change much  - don't get it ?

tech is a tool. tools can be powerful. powerful tools always, every time they were created and spread, changed the world.
hv_
legendary
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October 07, 2019, 07:17:06 AM
#55
It needs rules and consensus about. Anarchy doesn't want rules at all

It needs an existing economy and rule based (minimal is ok) capitalism to allow maximum open competition between miners.

And P2P trade function, where traceable txs are done and need a legal basic framework to be embedded into

ok, let's call it "peer-to-peer trade" Huh

or "peer-to-peer governance"

it's pretty obvious that rules or consensus can be achieved person-to-person, so you're wrong


Anarchy is not good for any global monetary settlement system like Bitcoin

Bitcoin already is a peer-to-peer system, with rules and without rulers. If you don't want to call that anarchy, that's fine, but you're a joke if you think it could possibly be used (or have users) if there were no rules.


Bitcoin has rules. You don't like them.
You don't have to use Bitcoin, no-one's asking you (or asking you to stay here on Bitcointalk.org)

in short: if you don't like it, fuck off (I predict you continue to come back whinging about something forever, nice life you have there Grin)


If you dont like govs - fuck off - u voted / u are part of / u can change (little)  - but u cannot go mad as u are


bitcoin is just tech - it doesnt Change much  - don't get it ?
sr. member
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October 07, 2019, 03:29:59 AM
#54
bitcoin doesnt need a government support, its based on this.
I totally agree with this, bitcoin can stand on its own and without no leaders or dictators or managers or a government behind it. Bitcoin is made to be decentralized so this must happen no one should ever take control of bitcoin no matter what.
Anarchy means that everyone does what ever he wants without following rules.

No it doesn't

Anarchy means that people agree rules between each other

Anarchy is literally just a rebellion against the law or a tradition, people do want changes that's why they are supporting bitcoin change for good not for the worst.
sr. member
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October 07, 2019, 12:43:50 AM
#53
Anarchy in this concept does not mean breaking the law. the concept of bitcoin is a revolution in money transactions
for people who want to be anonymous and not shackled by the banking system.
the presence of bitcoin has not only revolutionized how money transactions can be simplified and opens up opportunities
for people to develop cryptocurrency based projects/industries.
sr. member
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October 07, 2019, 12:17:34 AM
#52
Bitcoin is not anarchy in any of description, and It doesn't require you to be an anarchist to use it. It isn't any sort of these philosophy things much in the same way that gold isn't any of these things. Bitcoin came into existence and popularity because of its inherently anti-regulatory nature, this is not relative or subjective to contemporary anarchic proponents. It isn't the old lens that clarifies the financial liberty that bitcoin entails, but rather such liberty is the essence of Cryptocurrency.

Bitcoin was born to take the control of money supply out of the hands of governments, and whether that falls in line with one the steps towards anarchism or not, we should all keep that in mind, and not betray bitcoin's original mission. Somebody can want a strong government and also a permissionless and decentralized currency. It is not a contradiction to desire both.
sr. member
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Sancho
October 06, 2019, 11:51:29 PM
#51
I read the whole topic and I can say the following. Bitcoin is 100% pure anarchy. People often do not understand what anarchy is and confuse it with chaos. People who confuse anarchy with chaos probably don’t understand the essence of bitcoin, and they should make more efforts to do this, starting with bitcoin's white paper. After that, it also good idea to improve your knowledge of anarchy, but this is optional. Smiley

The cognitive dissonance is that bitcoin is anarchy, but the bitcointalk forum has a complex hierarchy structure, administrators, global moderators, local moderators, many ranks for users, trust system lists, brr. You have to somehow live with this discomfort, if you want to be heard by your like-minded people. My anarchist nature is protesting, but I try to keep it on a short leash, because being heard is more important for me now.
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October 06, 2019, 06:56:46 PM
#50
Bitcoin is a form of anarchy in the economic system. The Bitcoin system is designed to do self-rule and be supported by the application of technological advancements so that it looks amazing for mathematicians and technologists. However, according to the anarchism that has been successfully implemented in Spain, everyone must do the task according to their respective roles so that this concept can succeed.

Expecting Bitcoin to be successful is the same as expecting an anarchist social order to be realized. It seems impossible, but in fact, the social order of anarchy can be done with satisfactory results. The anarchic social order that occurred in the Spanish Revolution which lasted for more than two years before General Franco's invasion succeeded in conquering an area controlled by anarchists.

social anarchy which was also supported by economic anarchy in Spain was carried out extremely. One of them, the community supporting anarchism in Spain at that time burned government money. As a result, coupons (and even just trust) can be used to get fruit and vegetables. If you support Bitcoin to succeed only so that you can then get a lot of Dollars, you only pollute the brilliant concept of Bitcoin anarchy.
No, I don't think BTC is actually an Anarchy, it lacks a lot of the crucial parts which makes anarchy what it is - which is a good thing because those versions of society are quite ruthless and restrictive to everyone.

There are some aspects that might make it seem like Anarchy, but it isn't the same thing - they are obviously rules in place when it comes to Bitcoin, and obviously so.

It is indeed a form of anarchy. The idea of decentralization is the key point for the anarchy. So, it is a good way to show people that anarchy isn't the devil. It is for controlling our own life and money. Bitcoin, anarchy, will be giving us this opportunity.
I like this sort of view on BTC, and anarchy. Maybe it could be seen as a variation of anarchy.

legendary
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October 06, 2019, 05:29:35 PM
#49
It needs rules and consensus about. Anarchy doesn't want rules at all

It needs an existing economy and rule based (minimal is ok) capitalism to allow maximum open competition between miners.

And P2P trade function, where traceable txs are done and need a legal basic framework to be embedded into

ok, let's call it "peer-to-peer trade" Huh

or "peer-to-peer governance"

it's pretty obvious that rules or consensus can be achieved person-to-person, so you're wrong


Anarchy is not good for any global monetary settlement system like Bitcoin

Bitcoin already is a peer-to-peer system, with rules and without rulers. If you don't want to call that anarchy, that's fine, but you're a joke if you think it could possibly be used (or have users) if there were no rules.


Bitcoin has rules. You don't like them.
You don't have to use Bitcoin, no-one's asking you to do so (or asking you to stay here on Bitcointalk.org)

in short: if you don't like it, fuck off (I predict you continue to come back whinging about something forever, nice life you have there Grin)
hv_
legendary
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October 06, 2019, 02:31:12 PM
#48
Nope

It needs rules and consensus about. Anarchy doesn't want rules at all

It needs an existing economy and rule based (minimal is ok) capitalism to allow maximum open competition between miners.

And P2P trade function, where traceable txs are done and need a legal basic framework to be embedded into


No. Anarchy is not good for any global monetary settlement system like Bitcoin
legendary
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October 06, 2019, 01:35:03 PM
#47
in order to use Bitcoin or another cryptocurrency, we all need the state’s national money. If there is no regular currency, it is unlikely that you can effectively replace them with a decentralized cryptocurrency. It only in theory seems that it is easy.

no theory is necessary

the nation state is a relatively recent thing. before that, many people all over the world didn't live in a state (some wouldn't even know such a thing existed)

all these free people could or did use money, the archeological and historical records contain abundant proof


I do not recognize any anarchy but practical life.

you do, sorry to have to break it to you. the reason you (and most people) don't rape, rob and murder is because of your natural morals, not because there's a punishment for doing those things


For me, anarchy is equivalent to chaos.

it means "without rulers" in Greek. You've been watching too many movies (where the word "anarchy" is always used wrongly to mean chaos)


It seems to me that in order for any society to function effectively, a certain order is needed.  

right, but when we solve problems with our friends, neighbours, shopkeepers or family, but without the state's help, we're creating an ordered society. Without rulers.


Therefore, in our form of organization, bitcoin must be organizationally regulated.

well, there are no rulers in Bitcoin, but it is organized, and it is regulated, and it is ordered. You've proven yourself wrong rather simply Smiley
sr. member
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October 06, 2019, 01:16:01 PM
#46
Its true, anarchy rejects the authority so bitcoin rejects the economic authority so we can use anarchy for bitcoin.my answer is no, bitcoin doesnt need a government support, its based on this.
However, in order to use Bitcoin or another cryptocurrency, we all need the state’s national money. If there is no regular currency, it is unlikely that you can effectively replace them with a decentralized cryptocurrency. It only in theory seems that it is easy. I do not recognize any anarchy but practical life. For me, anarchy is equivalent to chaos. It seems to me that in order for any society to function effectively, a certain order is needed. Therefore, in our form of organization, bitcoin must be organizationally regulated.
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