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newbie
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May 17, 2013, 01:26:49 AM
#47
Well people who abuse the system are wrong, and make me sick. I could be paying for your medicate and in that case, I be extremely upset that my money is helping you get bitcoins.

Let me ease your worried mind then. I don't get Medicaid. I don't have health insurance. When I get sick, I get to get over it. There. Feel better? Smiley
legendary
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May 17, 2013, 01:08:21 AM
#46
Investing in a few Bitcoins is a long term risk that I am willing to take. That doesn't mean I'm interested in engaging in any illegal activity. And we pay our taxes. But the assumptions have provided this old geek with some amusement.  Roll Eyes

No but you have to declare your wealth, otherwise it is "FRAUD" and that is illegal. So you are engaging in illegal activities, when you hide your bitcoins from government. I pay myself in bitcoins, and if I didn't declare that as income, I could save so much money on taxes, but I don't cause that is "FRAUD" and it is illegal. Just do the right thing, and tell the government otherwise, karma will get you and your wife or maybe it already has...
newbie
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May 17, 2013, 01:11:15 AM
#46
...and tell the government otherwise, karma will get you and your wife or maybe it already has...

Dude. That is so wrong. (grin)
newbie
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May 17, 2013, 12:55:55 AM
#45
Investing in a few Bitcoins is a long term risk that I am willing to take. That doesn't mean I'm interested in engaging in any illegal activity. And we pay our taxes. But the assumptions have provided this old geek with some amusement.  Roll Eyes
newbie
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May 17, 2013, 12:40:54 AM
#44
i agree with you, 'Exoskeleton'. We shouldn't hide our wealth illegally.

I agree with you JENNIFER_SUSAN. We should only hide our wealth legally. Smiley
newbie
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May 16, 2013, 07:40:06 PM
#43
He is talking mad crap, I agree Smiley
newbie
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May 16, 2013, 07:17:00 PM
#42
Its a great way to save value.
legendary
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May 16, 2013, 07:08:59 PM
#41
WOW just read this thread, and people like this cause problems for not only people who pay taxes, but for bitcoin coin people. I like how he is trying to get out of a loophole by doing something called "Fraud". I would think twice about committing such an act against the people like me who pay taxes so you can use medicated and our community in bitcoin who will just like the tax evaders will hurt bitcoin.
sr. member
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May 16, 2013, 06:31:26 PM
#40
* evilscoop bows to exo
i agree we need to make sure the forum never turns into a silk road Cheesy
sr. member
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May 16, 2013, 03:29:58 PM
#39
Well thanks everybody for not taking me to war on my own little rant. JimCGSavings, feel free and continue this thread all you want. Im not the forum police.  Cheesy  We did have a few people on here trying to speak in code about using bitcoins to obtain drugs and worse. Money laundering in all its variations is not prohibited from discussion, but when someone starts asking for advice on how to bend/break the law...you know. Im sure there are websites for that stuff.

Of course we could lower current tax rates for every american and double social spending at the same time by drawing down the military, and closing loopholes, but this is not intended to be a political debate. As a US citizen who makes in the lower five figures I understand the urge to dodge taxes. I just don't want the US to be the next Greece, you know  Grin

Back on topic, I think we all agree that keeping cash somewhere undeclared in cash is better than in bitcoins. Hiding your wealth in bitcoins is the same thing as buying 10 1950's strat guitars, and selling them much later. Items like the right vintage guitars would probably be a safer bet honestly. The problem here is someday you will need to get the money back into cash. When you sell your guitars/bitcoin your obligated to report this as income. Ways around this, yes. Legal to do...

hero member
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It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye
May 16, 2013, 02:55:56 PM
#38
My wife has dementia and I've had to quit work to take care of her full-time. We get by, just barely, on our fixed income. The most frustrating thing about our situation is the "requirement" that we NOT exceed the maximum allowed income for her to remain qualified for Medicaid. This would include any money in a savings account. Bitcoin seems to be an ideal way to build a savings account without the worry of saving cash in our house. Would a laminated paper wallet be the best way to secure it?

I believe I suggested using bitcoins in this manner sometime in 2011. Maybe I can find the post ... https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/use-for-bitcoin-hiding-assets-from-government-9879

You just have to be careful how you make withdrawals from your savings. I don't know how much detail they go into when reviewing your case, but if you have to turn in a monthly bank statement or something like that, it might raise some eyebrows if you have a bunch of unexplained deposits from Dwolla, that would look like income.
newbie
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May 16, 2013, 02:52:21 PM
#37
Forget it if you think short term.
full member
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May 16, 2013, 02:50:17 PM
#36
The thing is some people save all their lives and put it into accounts for rainy days and some people blow it all. But the people who do the right thing have to pay for care homes and medical bills until there's nothing left and the others just get it all for free. Any inheritance for the kids is destroyed and irresponsibility is rewarded. I support the OP in his decision to put some away where the tax man can't get it.

Of course if he was a retired GP and had a barn full of money I'd not be keep on the idea as he can then afford the bill without much of a loss to himself.
newbie
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May 16, 2013, 02:34:46 PM
#35
While the info about your wife (if true) is sad, you are not doing the right thing here. The reason the gov does not give out free money to people with large bank accounts is because those people can pay for expenses themselves. You should pay what you can, as unfair as it may seem to you, and then if what you have left is not enough you can then apply for gov handouts.

If you want to be greedy and take/keep every penny you earn then get a saftey deposit box and keep your cash in it.

This is simple people. Bitcoin is not needed to hide wealth. This has been happening since before there were computers. You don't need a big mattress to hide your money. Bitcoin is not the answer to your "problem". Your problem is that you won't pay what society has said you should pay for your wifes care from your own pocket first. You want to take my/our money first.

Im not trying to start a debate about the law that says you being broke because of medical expenses is fair.

I personally think this is often totaly unfair. I am a "socialist" who thinks that medical care is a basic right. I am willing to pay my share for your wifes care. But we "socialists" are becoming a small minority in a greed driven world. I am willing to bet you are like 80%+ of other humans today and you would be calling foul on your situation if you were not in it. You complain about high taxes, but the fact is if you want your free money, someone else is paying 2x what they should be to fund your lifestyle. We buy your bitcoins. People like you who hide money from being taxed fairly are the reason why taxes are so damned high.

Stop polluting our forum with this pseudo-illegal bs. You don't need bitcoins to illegally hide wealth.

i agree with you, 'Exoskeleton'. We shouldn't hide our wealth illegally.
newbie
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May 15, 2013, 10:48:39 PM
#34
So have you considered opening an IRA? Some IRA's are tax sheltered and from the sounds of it you should also be able to get the tax refunds that come with it. Given how the market is reaching records high it's probably the best place to put your money without negatively affecting your financial situation. You mentioned medicaid, so I'm assuming you're in the US.

You should be able to put around 5K into an IRA in a given year (the cap changes).

I'll look into it. If I can set it up so that funding goes directly into it without sitting in our bank account for any taxable period of time, it might pass the test. Thanks. Yes, we're in the U.S.
newbie
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May 15, 2013, 10:31:25 PM
#33
personally I would get a different insurance plan
newbie
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May 15, 2013, 10:21:33 PM
#32
So have you considered opening an IRA? Some IRA's are tax sheltered and from the sounds of it you should also be able to get the tax refunds that come with it. Given how the market is reaching records high it's probably the best place to put your money without negatively affecting your financial situation. You mentioned medicaid, so I'm assuming you're in the US.

You should be able to put around 5K into an IRA in a given year (the cap changes).
newbie
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May 15, 2013, 10:09:26 PM
#31
So you're aware the value of bitcoins is probably more volatile than the stock markets? And that unlike the stock market it's not guaranteed to have an overall upward trend? You'd probably have an easier time putting your money elsewhere ...

I live with this twisted reality, so I guess that's why everyone is missing it. Stocks, Bonds, etc., are all considered either new assets or income. We are not allowed to exceed our set monthly income or she loses medicaid. We can't afford or even access the services she needs to stay alive, without it. Hence the interest in something that only holds "potential" value where the government is concerned.
member
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May 15, 2013, 10:05:23 PM
#30
So you're aware the value of bitcoins is probably more volatile than the stock markets? And that unlike the stock market it's not guaranteed to have an overall upward trend? You'd probably have an easier time putting your money elsewhere ...

+1
newbie
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May 15, 2013, 10:02:54 PM
#29
Seems like a safe deposit box would be a better bet. You could also consider insurance on the appliances you need, and apparently metal shingles.

Any cash in a safe deposit box is counted as income. Expenditure is not income. If the government does not consider Bitcoin a currency or asset(at least when held by an individual), but merely an expenditure, then I can "pseudo-legally" own them without violating the savings rule. At least until they close that loophole.
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