Topic: Bitcoin can save some people's lives :-> - page 4. (Read 981 times)

For me yes not only bitcoin but some of cryptocurrency because when you have any of them especially bitcoin it can give you huge profit when its value strike up. That why many people are wanting to have bitcoin, but unfortunately bitcoin is only limited stock thats why some people trying other crypto which also can help them through their financial. For me having a bitcoin there is a chance you might have a good living and really help you financially.

moist air can be on paper money especially in some places that have a high relative humidity. Transmission of the body fluids e.g sweat to the money is very possible. Although the probability of being transmitted through money is really small but if we consider how dangerous this virus is, I think it is more reasonable to be using electronic payment methods. I still remember those period of ebola crisis in Nigeria, It was like everyone is going to die especially in some densely populated cities like lagos. I pray the vaccines for corona virus is developed soon, so that China can be free of this endemic

Well, this is one of the benefits of of using digital currency. However, some obstacles are still there, moreover in relation to the regulation of each country.
Many countries still don't legalize cryptocurrency as the payment method (some only legalize as the digital asset). If this really happen, the bank will make stricter rules and regulation again. For, of course, the country will not lose the financial system overpowered by Bitcoin.
The government will prefer to create their own digital money system as a payment method than legalizing Bitcoin.

We all know paper currency aren't washable so don't expect that it will be clean and safe to transfer from one person to another. There is a solution for that and that's by using disinfection after doing some transactions with real money. It went to a thousand hands or people so the virus or bacteria there are combined for how many years so it is not only Corona Virus that can get you sick. Personal hygiene is important anytime and anywhere you go so always bring hand sanitizer. That's the importance of digital currency, you can have transaction without literally having exchange with fiat currency. That's why most of the country are safe while using cryptocurrency and they don't experience and problem or conflict having transaction.

Good perspective. I appreciate. But, you have missed the point of "for what people are paying with bitcoin". I mean to say you are 101% right when people eat digital things and wear digital clothes and not needing anything in physical, lol.

In my culture, we religiously believe that gold and money cannot be dirtied nor sinned. They are all always pure and belong to God. I agree it is not a scientific approach but we believe into that sense because it can save life and it can feed women, children and old ages. I mean to say unlike have mentioned it is not physical cash is treated dirty everywhere, there are people, they do see it as a form of noble.

What OP is referring has nothing to do with your statement of "treated dirty". OP is all about infection whereas you are talking about tidy and cleanliness. Yes, all dirty thing does not need to be infected by harmful virus and bacteria.

Simply I want to say, please do not use words which are not respect to money. Without money, we cannot be doing what we do today. (This is the reason we worship it similar to God).

Physical cash has always been treated as literally dirty. It passes from one person to another for several years. It does not undergo any kind of washing or disinfection. It falls to the ground, it is being handed over by a fish vendor, it is being crumpled down by a public transportation driver, and so on. As a child, I was always advised to wash hands after holding money. It really helps if transactions do not anymore require physical cash.

But, of course, human interaction is not limited to commerce. We are always in the company of other people. Especially in China where the population is thick, it cannot be avoided not to interact with people on a daily basis. Facing them, talking to them, touching them, these are all normal in their daily activities.

the Corona Virus cannot stand that long in material things mate meaning the virus will Die while in shipment process ,this only stands longer when in Metal but not longer that 2 hours so basically the risk of being infected is way far from other viruses.
and besides Using antibacterial or Handwashing can prevent us from being Victimized so this means the Corona now are controllable.

That is only partialy true. Even when you are buying things online they need to be delivered to you door somehow. A numerous people are included in that process, it's not that only one human is dealing with shipment, so contact with humans is inevitable and you are not fully protected.

I actually see that making purchases online will far more help to reduce the spread of the virus because direct delivery is carried out by the courier to the customer's place, the customer does not need to meet with other people who allow the spread of the virus.
When I read a health article then there is no virus that survives in free air, the spread must be through human to human or animal to human, not from object to human, only bacteria can do that.
https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/bacterial-vs-viral-infection

Well, to me it is not totally flawed, because I see some scenarios where a different type of handling of products could add more practical preventative solutions to this problem. A lot of the food are cooked at high temperatures, killing the virus and the containers can be pre-wached in Bleach or you could bring your own, if you did not trust the merchant. 

Solving only 1% of the problem, still saves 1% of the lives and any lives saved is a good thing. 

Fiat ATM's are just part of the problem. Why would people have to use ATM's if they could buy bitcoins from exchanges via their Bank accounts, like most of us are doing. 

Even using credit cards will not totally solve their problem, because people still need to handle the credit card and the machine. 

I am hoping people who are not on this forum, might use Google and somehow end up on this topic and it might plant the seed for people to start doing this. I was searching for alternative payment options, after I was a victim of credit card fraud and I ended up finding Bitcoin. A friend of mine was looking for a new graphic card and he ended up mining for bitcoins with those graphic cards and now he is filthy rich. 

You maybe right, they shouldn’t be handling cash as it may retain some bacteria and virus that can cause them some serious infections. When you’re making use of WeChat Pay you’re using your phone to do the transaction and you wouldn’t have to make any hand to hand transaction with the recipient or sender. It’s still similar to Bitcoin and I might say that it is faster in some ways.

Bitcoin is still good, I have seen quite a few people that accepts Bitcoin for payment, it’s all about what you like. Paying bitcoin for a digital good still will not involve any human touch whereas anything other than digital good or services may involve human hands which may lead to spread diseases even with bitcoin payments .

Ok, then let me tell you why your solution is flawed

a) even if you use a contactless payment the groceries would already have been touched by the merchant
b) the virtual goods you claim some people buy and will not touch are probably 1/1000 of what is bought with cash right now in Wuhan, what can they even buy with cash that doesn't require touching? Examples?
c) let's assume people in Wuhan and the rest of the area would switch to bitcoin, there are 50 million quarantine in the region if we take the capacity of the network at 400k transaction per day it means that 1% of them would be able to use it if we all choose to stop using bitcoin
d) there is, of course, the LN but it has a tiny flaw, you first need bitcoins, which you must purchase and you create a tx when you do so and there we're back at point c 
e) there is no evidence right now of any transmission though money which can be easily avoided using gloves

So, your solution is maybe solving 1% of the problem which usually means the problem is NOT solved.

Bonus
f) have you considered how much much the virus would spread if 1 million people would go to the ATMs to buy BTC and they all would be touching the same buttons? 



What is innovative in a contactless payment?
Bitcoin is not a magical thing that can solve and can be used in any situation, you have to accept that.

It was designed for something and it does those things wonderfully and flawlessly without it being promoted as the savior of everything that moves on this planet.
Also, you have to understand that this continuously push for bitcoin for everything is quite damaging for normal people outside this forum. Continuously hearing that bitcoin can do that can save that you can't live with bitcoin is making them thinking of some sort of snake oil.I've seen this in RL, normal people who don't spend half of their life talking about cryptos are really not buying this, on the contrary they will treat it with far more caution.

And on this forum, you're preaching to the choir anyway!!

Ok, you sound like the kind of person that always wants to be right, so let's agree to disagree. I am a problem solver by nature and if I see a problem, I look for innovative solutions to that problem. I sometimes work on contract in Africa and I see lots of people dying from diseases that could have been prevented.

" The CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010. " - Source : https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html  - So we should be just as worried about the complications of the common flu virus, than with COVID-19.  

I am also in the technology field and I love anything related to currencies, so shoot me if I want to find innovative ways to prevent further infection, if Bitcoin can help with that.  

Sorry, if I missed your question : If you also scrutinize my post history, you would also see that I am not very fond of governments - A lot of these governments have hidden agendas and they will look for excuses to boost their hidden agendas. (Example : Bitcoin is used for terrorism and money laundering, so we should ban it) and for that reason I would use my own common sense and decide on my own, if I would support it or not.

I am divided on the issue, because I am a avid coin collector and I would not want to see coins and fiat currencies being banned for the wrong reasons. ( I would much rather want to find a solution to "clean" money or to find a way to prevent infectious diseases to be spread via these objects - some countries use plastic notes and they can be washed, without damaging the notes. )  

It is a choice to do some of our transactions right now in an online payment or method because it is true that going to different places may be dangerous for us in which it would be a big problem because we may have the virus ncov infected if we go outside just to buy a thing or a food that we want, it would be lessen the outrageous side of infecting some people of ncov virus if we just use digital money by purchasing the things that we want and making transactions online.

In most cases like this, NCOV is spreading in mostly in crowded  places. Then it is best to have some online transactions, online merchants with bitcoin payments. Yeah, it can be a serious problem if we buy foods with infected areas it can be dangerous even with the mask on you can not avoid to think about being infected. And this online payments, online ordering will eventually lessen the worries, will save more people with this new corona virus.

But how about those who work as a delivery man? If most of them are just buying food online? I don't know whether to consider it something that can save lives because definitely in a situation like in Wuhan necessities will get out of stock and most people there would just choose to stay home than to work. Stocks in Wuhan will really go down and even if they order through online, they can't buy things outside Wuhan because of the lock down. And of course not all stores in Wuhan accept online transaction.  I think they'll either have to buy on themselves to make sure they find foods or be likely to depend on the government for their necessities.

I like bitcoin a lot, but without exaggeration. How would bitcoin help in this situation? honestly it wouldn't change anything. To buy bitcoin people would have to go to the bank or buy with other people, not to mention that the price of bitcoin would increase a lot because many people in the crypto world are greedy and have no feelings for other people, for these greedy people in the crypto world what matters they are 2X profits and therefore would increase the price of bitcoin a lot, even knowing that it would be an emergency situation. In my opinion Bitcoin does not help in these situations

maybe harder to be transmitted thru Paper money(though can be also but only shorter time as the virus may die sooner)but in Metal or Physical Coins the virus can stay longer that is what i have watched in news in which a specialist tells the way we can prevent from being infected.
maybe the best thing is at least be aware of those and use sanitizer from time to time.

but i like how OP made this topic related to Bitcoin and the advantage of using this than FIAT.

Well in our country, there are apps that would support these donations.
In even the greatest disaster, it could also help. Here in our country, where even Taal Volcano erupted and I think they could've done the same as this but the thing is it is way too hard yet to implements such that the trust into it isn't well established as the current financing system we have today.

At first, I also thought that it's an overstatement that this coronavirus can survive on banknotes, so I did a bit of research. It seems that there is no conclusive evidence about that because many things about the virus remain unknown. In any case, money is very dirty, unlike most things we touch that often. And banknotes can contribute to the spread of some diseases, so even if it's not about coronavirus or not about viruses at all, it's still a real problem. I agree with you that cashless payments could improve the situation, and Bitcoin is one of them. However, could you elaborate on why Bitcoin can same some lives, not cashless payments in general? I mean, you do say that it's about cashless payments, but do you think there's anything that makes Bitcoin stand out in these illness-related cases?