Topic: Bitcoin can save some people's lives :-> - page 5. (Read 939 times)

nice one mate,you made a connection about the virus and bitcoin for advertising but it is legit,the Physical contact can be lessen if the people of Wuhan uses Bitcoin instead of physical Money,specially that according to the report about the Virus started in Public Market in which people are exchanging Money so the more infection happens.
Online payment must be really implemented to prevent things like this happening in the future.

Yes, the current era of cash payments should be reduced because there are even many shopping centers using electronic payment methods. Indeed, they still use fiat even though the payment system is now more trend in digital form and I guess that is not a problem because electronic payments will obviously reduce someone from being infected with any virus found in many items there especially in cash. This should be realized by the government and is ready to make a mass transition in many shopping areas.

I don't need to go there as I remember all your posts and the topics we've discussed
From the fact that you didn't pay your cable tv and got cut out to Brexit and the Chinese new year you're always finding bitcoin as a solution for problems that it can't solve. Don't you remember how it would solve poverty? 



Did your friends tell you what the NCBI says?
Or are your friends better trained than the guys working there?
I'm still waiting for a study of virus transmissions between fomites, there is no conclusive study to date of how this happens if it happens at all.

And please don't avoid my question:

Well you do have a point there and I did get convinced but then I thought, why should I use bitcoin when I can use other online payments.
China has WeChat, India has Paytm, GooglePay etc... I am not against bitcoin since I like bitcoin too but I think using the term bitcoin is unnecessary here.

Undoubtedly, it is what is happening, in addition that the effect of the epidemic has caused in the market for some people who use bitcoin as a refuge of value, very similar to gold, in fact Bitcoin if it can save lives in any moment, since it is immediate money that can be used from anywhere in the world, the problem of the virus is world-class, the figures that are handled by the news are not real, I think the real figures become surprising, the market Bitcoin is being seen with more volume, small people's investments may be reflected every day.

Although it is technical, it is on point but it only makes people more anxious about the virus that it can increase their fear and lead them to some stressful thoughts. Maybe they will think that all of the people they encounter have the corona virus, it is inappropriate, most especially when you're having transaction using fiat currency. Judging people like they have a virus will lower your confident and you will degrade the self-esteem of the person that you are having communication with. Practicing safety and cleanliness is good and appropriate but judging people is not. Try to ask them first if they have the virus or if they're fine before doing some actions for you not to be anxious. Know first the people you have transaction with, so that you know what currency you will give, either bitcoin which is digital or fiat.

You are placing me in the wrong box. Go look at my post history and find the posts that indicate that I am one of those people who are using major events to hype Bitcoin use, as you are claiming. 

Fortunately for me, I have close friends that are working in the Health industry and they get frequent updates on the latest news about this virus epidemic, so I am quite informed about the latest things happening with this. They are very concerned and this sparked the idea with me to find a way for Bitcoin to help people to avoid physical contact with the virus.

This is why I used this in the thread heading ... " Bitcoin can save some people's lives :-> "

Just be open-minded about this and use your knowledge and skills to find solutions to prevent a disastrous global epidemic. Bitcoin can make a difference in some scenarios.

      Making payments for goods online can be advantageous, one of the reason being that you can stay anywhere convenient for you and purchase anything you may wish to purchase without necessarily needing to go to the market or a shop.
      But the idea that it prevents the spread of corona virus isn't so true. Why it is not so is because when you purchase a particular goods, whether online or not, you'll still have body contact with the goods when using it. The virus can be transmitted from an infected person to another through contact with objects that have been handled by the an infected person.
     The idea of online payment can only help in reducing the risk of exposure to the virus but not in preventing contraction of the disease.

Yes it is a good practice that we always do online transaction or digital transaction just like mobile banking and etc because of this we will be able to purchase and do transactions through the use of mobile phone only or our personal computers, this online transactions makes our life more good and the necessity that we are gonna do so it would be better for all of us because of that we will be able to lessen our work by just doing online transaction and through the use of digital currency.

All the analogies you are telling do make sense. It's time to use digital currencies like bitcoin for transactions financial.
One of the benefits can avoid transmission of disease, it's an indisputable fact. So from that I always start it from myself
to always do transactions digitally. But since my country doesn't allow bitcoin as payment, I use digital transactions such
as mobile banking and internet banking to buy all the necessities of my life.

I always take my time to read stuff and I always try to understand what I'm reading.
I gave you a link, not from a newspaper but from NCBI and the text clearly says


There is a huge difference between steel and paper just as there is a big one between survivability and transmission.
Also there a big difference between transmission from fomites to humans and transmission between fomites.


Sorry, but to me, you sound like those people wouldn't have died if they have used bitcoin!
Are you seriously claiming this?
Do we really have to piggyback on every disaster or crisis, from a nuclear war scenario to an epidemic to show how bitcoin can save the world?
I'm starting to see bitcoiners are enjoying those lately.

Let me ask you this then:
Would you support a government ban on cash payments if they would use the disease spreading as an excuse? 

Going by that logic, if infections would be spread 'less' due to eliminating fiat, aren't products also infected as well?

I'm not against the your post, in fact, I am surprised that there are merchants that accept bitcoin as a payment method. China has seen the potential of cryptocurrencies and its effect in the future. I hope that countries will view this as an example in considering utilizing cryptocurrencies as a payment option.

Aside from that fact, I do agree that shifting towards a digitalized payment will inevitably happen in the future. But we cannot implement it now as there are countries from the underdeveloped and developing are slowly innovating their technology and infrastructures. They still lack the necessary technology to shift towards this payment method.

As expected at this early stage, this is where we, the general population, get fed different information and, since we are not technical enough on the matter, may misread (along with Journalists) some information that reaches us:

The WHO (World Health Organization) states on its web page (https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronaviruses) that:
A few hours are not enough for a shipment to carry the virus in an active state (i.e. shipment sent from China), but enough for someone who has it to touch/sneeze over some physical form of money, and hand it out along with the delivery of a Pizza. Who knows about the Pizza box itself while we’re at it.

Of course, things evolve quickly in terms of knowledge of the Coronavirus, and whilst the WHO states the above, The Journal of Hospital Infection published on February the 6th the following article: https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/S0195-6701(20)30046-3/fulltext. Now this study seems to analyse the coronavirus family in broader terms, and is not limited to this specific outbreak, but the study claims:
By my reading, the above mentioned 9 days are rather generic, and it depends on the specific Coronavirus strain. For example, the above link encloses a section that indicates that SARS-CoV strain P9 can last on paper for up to 5 days, but strain GVU6109 lasts for less than 24h on an inanimate surface.
 
The Coronavirus we are dealing with here, 2019-nCoV, is not mentioned explicitly in the study results, so what I make from it, is that they have given a historical perspective of how long a Coronavirus may last for on an inanimate surface, based on prior studies, as a sort of framework, but not specifically on the 2019-nCoV strain.

Yes, I read every post I make and I see 1000's of people dying of this virus and I want to see that Bitcoin can be used to make a difference.

The thing with fiat cash is this, MANY people handle that cash on a daily basis and the coins and notes are normally placed in the same basket, where it spreads the contamination to the other cash that are placed in that same basket. So the probability for for contamination is higher, because the contaminated cash touch other coins and note that are not contaminated. The virus are also spread through fecal matter and tests have shown that fiat cash are very dirty and a lot of it has shown traces of fecal matter.

The food merchants normally have to adhere to proper food hygiene and when a crisis like this happen, they would probably be more aware of the dangers of contamination, so they will increase measures to reduce the risk. Washing food containers & utensils in Bleach to kill the virus. (The Health inspectors will also be more vigilant, since this virus originated in live food markets.)

Also, people do not just buy physical items, they can buy virtual goods and air time, where they do not have to touch anything. If they used cash to buy this, they could have been infected.

If you took the time to read the articles I added in my previous post, you would have noticed that test were done to determine that the virus survived up to 9 hours on physical surfaces, like metal, plastic etc..

Let's look for a better solution and not criticize other people for thinking out of the box.  

Bitcoin's the only payment method I can accept here as I'm not in a position to submit legal documents for a credit card. It does allow for people to make a living and get paid in stable money (the cash over here is near useless).

Welcome to Asia my friend. We are all "backwards" in some things but because of that we are also quite innovative when it comes to technology. Wechat pay has been around for a very long time and for us QR code scanning, and ewallets have been part of our lives for a long time. I remember some tourists from Europe so surprised in my city we all tap to pay 15 years ago, and they were still using paper and coins.

And infections methods... I would be really careful and leave it to health authorities;)

Do you people actually think before writing things like this?

Ok, you pay with bitcoins, there will be no hand contact between you and the merchant, you won't be touching paper that might be infected by the merchant's hand but....

You will still touch the f%^^%%% merchandise you buy, the one the merchant and probably other customers have already touched maybe a hundred times!!!!!!!!!
It is like wearing a condom and then .... you know.....!
You won't be touching some money that might or might not be infected but you're still going to eat the bread in which that merchant sneezed a hundred times.

No wonder diseases spread like wildfire!


Viruses don't do well on paper like objects.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6282993

Influenza viruses die pretty fast in tissues and are almost impossible to transmit over a 1 hour period.
Don't confuse viruses with bacterias.

Cashless society sounds great when linked to Bitcoin. Otherwise, it's terrific.

First of all, why would they switch from fiat to Bitcoin in order to go cashless when they have bank accounts that are holding virtual money? Switching to BTC, especially in China where laws regarding Bitcoin are very strict and there is only one ATM in the entire country AFAIK, would be a pain in the ass.

Merchants are looking to boost their sales. Switching to Bitcoin and leaving fiat behind would kill your business.

That is where you are wrong my friend.  The world health officials know that the respiratory disease is capable of spreading through human-to-human contact, droplets carried through sneezing and coughing, and germs left on inanimate objects. Source : https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/04/researchers-say-the-coronavirus-may-be-more-contagious-than-current-data-shows.html

The Corona virus can also survive up to 9 days outside of the body, so it will definitely infect you, if you touch it on any other object other than someone's body. Source : https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2020/02/09/scientists-predict-coronavirus-may-live-for-up-to-nine-days-on-surfaces/

One of the most effective ways of killing the virus on these surfaces is to use common household products like "Bleach".     

Well, you have a point, since nowadays corona virus is scattered all around the world, and it is still present in countries affected. This is one of the ways to avoid infection. Aside from this, there are also a lot of benefits if we use cashless payments especially today, since people want to have an instant transaction, without any traffic.

About the virus, we still should be safe by having a proper hygiene because it is still the best way to avoid it. Since the virus is not air borne, so we should not worry about it and let us keep ourselves clean every time.