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Topic: Bitcoin-Central, first exchange licensed to operate with a bank. This is HUGE - page 14. (Read 191876 times)

legendary
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yep, any information? any fund have been stolen?
hero member
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... it's a project that is in the pipeline on the bank's side, we have no precise ETA, but we know it should be rolled-out in a couple-of-months-ish.

Any news for the IBAN and acceptance of MtGox code as deposit/withdrawal method?
Regarding the Euro bank account is there a way in which, with my ID details already in Paymium's possession, I could have an Aqoba account set up within days so I have a Euro account from which I can send Euro SEPA transfers unrelated to Bitcoin Central; then when the linkup goes ahead, that both accounts be linked?
Aqoba is simply acting as a partner realizing the segregation of funds between Paymium's funds and the customers deposits. Unlike many other exchanges, Bitcoin-central (and paytunia) offers the same protection to depositors as any other payment institution. Your bitcoin-central account or paytunia account is a full fledged payment account (soon to be linked to a debit card and a unique IBAN number).
Thank you Boussac for the clarification.  If I have understood this right, even if I were able to open a personal Aqoba account it is not one I would subsequently be able to link to my Bitcoin Central account.  So if I need a Euro account for SEPA transfers sooner than this service goes live I am going to need to go elsewhere.

Thanks for the Fortuneo tip ghdp.  I will explore that as an option but maybe try some of the European banks in London too, even if it's just for language's sake.
legendary
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e-ducat.fr
Hm, did I read somewhere I would get my own IBAN in my Name after verifying my account?

My account is verified, but when clicking "deposit", it still gives me the "general" account info of paymium to transfer my EUR to.
That's not available yet, it's a project that is in the pipeline on the bank's side, we have no precise ETA, but we know it should be rolled-out in a couple-of-months-ish.


Any news for the IBAN and acceptance of MtGox code as deposit/withdrawal method?
Regarding the Euro bank account is there a way in which, with my ID details already in Paymium's possession, I could have an Aqoba account set up within days so I have a Euro account from which I can send Euro SEPA transfers unrelated to Bitcoin Central; then when the linkup goes ahead, that both accounts be linked?
Aqoba is simply acting as a partner realizing the segregation of funds between Paymium's funds and the customers deposits. Unlike many other exchanges, Bitcoin-central (and paytunia) offers the same protection to depositors as any other payment institution. Your bitcoin-central account or paytunia account is a full fledged payment account (soon to be linked to a debit card and a unique IBAN number).
hero member
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Hm, did I read somewhere I would get my own IBAN in my Name after verifying my account?

My account is verified, but when clicking "deposit", it still gives me the "general" account info of paymium to transfer my EUR to.
That's not available yet, it's a project that is in the pipeline on the bank's side, we have no precise ETA, but we know it should be rolled-out in a couple-of-months-ish.


Any news for the IBAN and acceptance of MtGox code as deposit/withdrawal method?
Regarding the Euro bank account is there a way in which, with my ID details already in Paymium's possession, I could have an Aqoba account set up within days so I have a Euro account from which I can send Euro SEPA transfers unrelated to Bitcoin Central; then when the linkup goes ahead, that both accounts be linked?
hero member
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Just curious... what will it take to make this happen in the US?
How do you get a bank to automatically convert your savings to bitcoins?
Are there any plans for one in the US?


Some banks allow you to buy bitcoin now in their branches. Why not ask them if they will convert your savings as well? Its for sure USD is not going to regain its value.

Edit: Mike Maloney has some things to say about money history in the U.S.
sr. member
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Each account will in a few months get its very own IBAN number, users will be able to use it as any other bank account, have their salaries and pensions sent there and have them automatically converted to Bitcoin if they so wish

Just curious... what will it take to make this happen in the US?
How do you get a bank to automatically convert your savings to bitcoins?
Are there any plans for one in the US?
legendary
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TIME - PRICE - PRIORITY


I enter an order to sell 200 @ 24.9€
Someone else enters an order to sell 10 @ 24.9€

HIS order is ABOVE mine in the order book, so I assume HIS order gets matched first WHEN IT SHOULD NOT BE.
sr. member
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Do you have plans to provide your own bcEUR-Codes?
legendary
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1davout
Which is why it won't be allowed for withdrawals. Since MtGox don't do one of the basics of their job - timely processing of withdrawals - everyone would want to transfer their codes and cash out at Bitcoin-Central instead. This is not possible if Bitcoin-Central are not able to get their own funds out of MtGox quickly - they will run out of cash-flow.

Also, it would be like MtGox were outsourcing their withdrawals processing function to Bitcoin-Central for free. I can't see that happening.
The main issues with the whole MtGox code thing is that MtGox is not financially licensed in any way I know of. It makes the taxation status of these codes unclear, it also requires us to come up with a reasonable and safe way to fit them in our accounting.

The second issue is that we need to be 100% full-reserve, each user must have the same balance displayed by Bitcoin-Central as the EUR balance that's actually on his sub-account inside the Paymium account. That means that we'll actually need to front the money until mtgox pays us.

There is obviously demand, rolling out the feature out is easy, (it's been in the code for weeks). Rolling out the feature properly is non-trivial Smiley
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IBANs for accounts will be available when the technical project is complete on Aqoba's side, I'd say the ETA is a few months.
Acceptance of MtGox codes is in the works, it might be only available for deposits though.

When these both complete, be ready to have a huge influx of capital

Allowing mtgox code deposit and withdrawal will complete the cycle for arbitrage that will bring you higher transaction volume.

Which is why it won't be allowed for withdrawals. Since MtGox don't do one of the basics of their job - timely processing of withdrawals - everyone would want to transfer their codes and cash out at Bitcoin-Central instead. This is not possible if Bitcoin-Central are not able to get their own funds out of MtGox quickly - they will run out of cash-flow.

Also, it would be like MtGox were outsourcing their withdrawals processing function to Bitcoin-Central for free. I can't see that happening.
legendary
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Any news for the IBAN and acceptance of MtGox code as deposit/withdrawal method?
IBANs for accounts will be available when the technical project is complete on Aqoba's side, I'd say the ETA is a few months.
Acceptance of MtGox codes is in the works, it might be only available for deposits though.

When these both complete, be ready to have a huge influx of capital

Allowing mtgox code deposit and withdrawal will complete the cycle for arbitrage that will bring you higher transaction volume.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1008
1davout
Any news for the IBAN and acceptance of MtGox code as deposit/withdrawal method?
IBANs for accounts will be available when the technical project is complete on Aqoba's side, I'd say the ETA is a few months.
Acceptance of MtGox codes is in the works, it might be only available for deposits though.
legendary
Activity: 1792
Merit: 1111
Hm, did I read somewhere I would get my own IBAN in my Name after verifying my account?

My account is verified, but when clicking "deposit", it still gives me the "general" account info of paymium to transfer my EUR to.
That's not available yet, it's a project that is in the pipeline on the bank's side, we have no precise ETA, but we know it should be rolled-out in a couple-of-months-ish.


Any news for the IBAN and acceptance of MtGox code as deposit/withdrawal method?
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1008
1davout
Is there any way we could have a confirmation from Aqoba of this information ?
Yep, pick your phone up and give them a call Smiley

I really look forward to use extendedly your service (I'm french), but I don't really want to give my ID card just like that, I'm sure you will understand  Smiley
Absolutely.

Btw thank you for developping a service like that, with an open API !
Thanks! Don't hesitate to give feedback in the API thread.
newbie
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Is there any way we could have a confirmation from Aqoba of this information ?

I really look forward to use extendedly your service (I'm french), but I don't really want to give my ID card just like that, I'm sure you will understand  Smiley

Btw thank you for developping a service like that, with an open API !
legendary
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We don't offer this feature. The way I see it is that if you change your mind about your order size you lose your spot in the queue.

For a person manually placing trades that might matter but it is a moot point in this instance.   For those offers generated by a bot, sub-penny pricing gives a way to regain your spot in line.  
legendary
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1davout
Tell users exactly how the trade matcher works in a language everyone can understand (english maybe, not SQL/python/whatever).
Well, ask and you'll be answered.

Telling people to go read some source that might or might not be what's currently being used on the site is not sufficient and doesn't say anything about wether or not the policies of the trade matcher will remain like that.
It's still a good indication, and a good incentive for the operator to have a zero-bullshit policy Smiley

Can a bot pull orders while an order (say big dump) is being executed and will the bot receive updates "on the way down" and get a chance to react or is that huge order executed atomically with noone being able to interfere?
It will be executed atomically thanks to MySQL transactions now, and it will remain that way because I'm going to roll-out functionality that will queue everything and execute all jobs in an asynchronous fashion.

Please, I urge you to stand out and be better than Gox in this regard. Btw: You're currently better than MtGox at customer support as far as I can tell (although it might not be indicative of what happens once you gain a larger customer base).
We do as best as we can, and frankly, I think that being better at customer support is the best way to grow.
I don't really like doing it, but it still makes me a little fuzzy inside when people give you nice words for helping them without them having to wait a week.

The trading aspect of your endeavour might not be your highest priority (I don't know), but I would really love to see you guys do it "right" from the beginning.
We strive to do things right since 2010 Cheesy
legendary
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Please, I urge you to stand out and be better than Gox in this regard. Btw: You're currently better than MtGox at customer support as far as I can tell (although it might not be indicative of what happens once you gain a larger customer base).



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Personally I don't care much, but I think 2WeiX has a point. You should probably check the sources and publish your findings in the FAQ or somewhere on the site for sake of transparency.
The source for Bitcoin-Central has been closed for a while now, but the trading engine code hasn't really changed, so anyone can go have a look for themselves on github Smiley

Thanks for putting that smiley, otherwise I'd be mad now Wink.

Again, I support what 2weiX said. I'm missing this kind of transparency on MtGox: Tell users exactly how the trade matcher works in a language everyone can understand (english maybe, not SQL/python/whatever). Telling people to go read some source that might or might not be what's currently being used on the site is not sufficient and doesn't say anything about wether or not the policies of the trade matcher will remain like that.

Apart from the details 2WeiX requested in his last post, there are other details that might be interesting, for example: Can a bot pull orders while an order (say big dump) is being executed and will the bot receive updates "on the way down" and get a chance to react or is that huge order executed atomically with noone being able to interfere?

Please, I urge you to stand out and be better than Gox in this regard. Btw: You're currently better than MtGox at customer support as far as I can tell (although it might not be indicative of what happens once you gain a larger customer base).

The trading aspect of your endeavour might not be your highest priority (I don't know), but I would really love to see you guys do it "right" from the beginning.
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