Topic: bitcoin changing my ideology from socialism to libertarianism! What about you? - page 10. (Read 33774 times)

"Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy"

"Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free") is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as its principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association and the primacy of individual judgment."

Socialism and libertarianism are not necessarily opposites. That's the problem with arguing about these ideological dogmas that place people into separating boxes. Start thinking what the values we want to promote are, and develop a deeper political philosophy. These labels are not addressing the root causes. From Wikipedia article on Anarchism:

"As a subtle and anti-dogmatic philosophy, anarchism draws on many currents of thought and strategy. Anarchism does not offer a fixed body of doctrine from a single particular world view, instead fluxing and flowing as a philosophy. There are many types and traditions of anarchism, not all of which are mutually exclusive."

Freedom starts with "I am my own master" but ends before "I am slave to no man". Liberty is the possession of agency, the power to fulfil your own potential. It's important in this modern day and age of mass criminalisation, and of stolen liberties, to understand that the only path to preservation of spirit is through preservation of action.

To preserve our human spirit, we must look not to surrogate father figures, or the great grand institutions but instead to each other, directly from one humble person to another. The Darkness becomes our protective cloak for this nascent perspective.

The "G" in BIG stands for "guarantee". Welfare is in no way guaranteed, and state governments make recipients jump through dozens of annoying hoops as a strategy for "thinning out" the number of needy folks they have to support. It's rather cruel.

Go to any foodstamps office in a major city and check out the lines. It's like the Great Depression all over again inside those places.  

Source: I have worked at a foodstamps office

Is there really any difference "BIG" and welfare?  Seems like the same concept.

Yes, we should instead continue concentrating all the money into the hands of the wealthiest 0.5%, that's been working out great for us so far.

How can you support the Basic Income Guarantee if you also are against Big Government.

You can't have one without the other.

This is the problem with socialism, one day they run out of other peoples money.

Oh hello Satan!

You're confused my brother. Like the religious fanatics with their religious ideology, we are the ones that must impose our economic ideology on everyone. Socialism for all, whether they believe in it or not.  We know what is best for the masses. 


Now that's more like it. Well said, my faithful servant. However, your support of Bitcoin is misguided.  We will not be able to impose our beloved socialism on these evil, libertard, greedy, capitalist, idiots with Bitcoin. Bitcoin is evil!

Anarchist to Crypto-Anarchist!

yawn. call me when there's something better than individuals and companies interacting freely in the marketplace without government involvement.

Free market capitalism hasn't been tried yet.  However, history is replete with examples of how communism, socialism, fascism, and cronyism all inevitably fail.  With the separation of money and state that Bitcoin achieves, true free market capitalism may finally have a chance.

LOL. "Ours is the one true way, no other way is possible!" This, children, is what fundamentalist thinking looks like. Do you see the parallels here between religious and economic fundamentalism?

One of these days you libertards will figure out that I'm not actually debating you for your sake, or for mine. You economic fundamentalists are - like religious fundamentalists - tragically beyond my help. Your indoctrination goes far too deep. You cannot unlearn those lies now, it's too painful for your fragile ego.

I'm debating you for the sake of all the silent readers out there, present and future. Those capable of thinking beyond the narrow constraints of your schooling-brainwashed minds.

Once again, I'll leave you with the historical facts you continue to ignore:

"Before capitalism, there were other ways. Feudalism was what existed in Europe for a thousand years before we had modern capitalism. And before that, slavery - yet another system - another way of organizing who does the work and who gets the profits and so on. And the interesting thing is that every other system that we have a record of in the human race, was born, evolved over time, and eventually passed away. What always has intrigued me, is the need for those people living in capitalism today, to think it's going to be the great exception. It was born, basically in England 300 years ago, it has evolved over the last three centuries. But when you say, "yes, but that means it will also pass away and give rise to another system", people get all kinds of strange worries because they don't want to think about that.

And so they begin to imagine that this system [capitalism] will be forever, in a way no other system in history has proved itself to be."
-Dr. Richard Wolff

No, it simply is one good example that alternatives to capitalism
fail.  To the extent they go against free trade, they fail.  The
greatest amount of freedom was found in early america, which
is why it boomed and became the super power it is.   As
the USA became increasingly socialistic, it started to decline.
Communism is even farther on the wrong side of the scale,
and every communistic society (China, Russia, Cuba) has
the results to show for it.  China now is rising to the
extent the free market is allowed to flourish.


"Quiet down, serf! You're upsetting the masters! Why can't you just accept your place as an unthinking wage-slave like the rest of us?"