Topic: bitcoin changing my ideology from socialism to libertarianism! What about you? - page 5. (Read 33760 times)

You're going to fit right in here.  Judas and I will have a cold beer waiting for you.  

Bitcoin is despicable, but that's okay...I've got some tricks up my sleeve.

bitcoin changing your guys religion too now?  

Hail Satan! I've always been a sucker for a rebel.

Let's leave Jesus out of it.  That guy was pure evil.  I don't remember what his exact words were to Judas about poor people, but he basically said something to the effect of "Fuck 'em".  I can't believe people actually revere someone like that.

You and I would never be so cold to these precious people.  I just love how great minds think alike. 

Yeah, the Gilded Age was a regular paradise for the average citizen  

Jesus Christ, could you possibly be any historically amnesic? It's stunning how clueless people are about very basic, relatively recent american history.

You are correct, upon further research homestead laws were passed in the USA(than repealed), Canada, Australia and many countries in central and south America. As I have mainly traveled in the Americas I assumed that homesteading was common everywhere but appears to be more of a common law principle that became popular in the new world as a means to colonize large amounts of territory.

Although it doesn't refute the principle point of my message and post, I updated the post to ensure accuracy.

I was definitely already a libertarian, but bitcoin and blockchain technology has made me rethink humanity in general and how the planet is created and how organisms work together. It's also worked as an incentive to learn how to program and be able to read the source code on github.

I see our EPA/DEQ as being highly empowered both by money which is behind the 'sustainability' movement and public sentiment which has been very successfully cultivated by said.  There is no doubt in my mind after reading their various documents (including Agenda 21 which was a terrible bore) that it is very much a 'socialist' endeavor.

I'll not argue that various pollution problems have been off-shored and moved around.  I've no doubt that it happens, that it sucks, and that the problems should be identified and called out.  I saw no purple rivers in India when I was there, but I don't doubt that they exist.  In central India I saw nothing that I really thought threatened the planet.  Ya, we humans change things and often enough we fuck them up significantly, but to me it's a balancing act rather than a sort of mindless absolutism which I feel infects the largely innumerate 'green' minions in my country at this time.

I know for sure that our waters and air in the state I live (Oregon) are vastly more clean then they were in the 70's.  Other practices that were common 100 years ago and had significant, if localized, environmental impacts are history.  It can be honestly said that I have the environmental movement to thank for this.  So, 'Thanks!'  But as the problems disappear (here) the burdensome of bureaucracy and regulations continues to  grow by leaps and bounds.  Again, what I've been hit with under the guise of 'environmental protection' is flat out straight up racketeering.

In my analysis this racketeering is directly attributable to the 'sustainability' movement.  So much so that the local 'non-profit' watershed association which makes most of their money doing 'stream restoration' has a covert program to work with ICLEI-USA who's goal is to ram humans into dense habitats where 80% of the population lives in stack-n-pack housing in population centers.  The guy who runs lives on his farm out of town with his goats and shit.  The 'elites' are, of course, planning to be the other 20% so it seems.  I found documentation of this watershed organization's activities because our NOAA was not careful with their management of meeting minute documents...the watershed association itself stopped publishing them back in 2011.


I value your take on things and find your statement above to lack enough info to understand what you are saying so if you have the energy to further clarify I would appreciate it.

BTW, my mom just got back from a visit to Scotland.  She had some friends there (fellow wood carvers) and was able to visit with normal people and see the real country and not do the total tourist thing.  She was very impressed with the country and the people.  This was shortly before the Independence vote and there were passions and rational points on both sides of the issue.

 

It may have where you live tvb - thats because all the industry that manufactures and, as a consequence, produces pollutants has been shipped off to India/Indonesia etc.
  They don't have EPA over there. The problem still exists - its just been swept under the rug and out of sight.

When I was a kid we used to swim in a river that had purple water - a carpet factory a couple of miles upstream used to pump its shit into it. My uncle worked there as it happens. The factory has since closed down and fish have since returned to the river. You even see the odd kingfisher (this in an urban area btw which makes the sighting of kingfishers all the more impressive). The downside is that there is, as we speak, Indian kids swimming in purple rivers with no fish - and widespread unemployment in my old hometown.

Could I just ask why, for you, regulatory authorities such as EPA (SEPA over here), are synonymous with "socialism" ?


BTW bitcoin hasn't changed my views towards libertarianism. Why ? Amongst many other reasons, the National Health Service.

When you say "most countries" that's where you should drop a reference to back up such a claim.

With respect to homesteading in USA it was mainly a way to force the removal of indigenous peoples (especially in the great plains area where the people lived a nomadic hunting lifestyle---incombatible with land ownership and agriculture). Unless you can back up your "most" claims, I think most people will simply dismiss them.  (Irony intended, to be clear, I will dismiss them but I have no evidence to say what most people will do).

Milton Friedman explains how big business is the primary beneficiary of government regulations and how the citizens were better off having a free market.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfLhwTs7POU

Bitcoin didn't change my political views but...
Im always pro free speech
Im always pro freedom
Im always pro free-thinking

So im pro bitcoin

I cannot use youtube unless I stay up past midnight and have not been doing so lately.  I will say that in my nearly half-decade the amount of environmental contamination impacting human health has been drastically reduced.  One just has to open their eyes to see it.  What I am seeing from the environmental movement is sheer panic that there problem is going away so they rely more and more on emotion and pseudo-science bullshit to scare people.  My fear is that this policy will backfire when Joe Sixpack has finally had enough and it actually will result in regressions in environmental protection.


Actually I was thinking about Great Britain when I wrote that.  That is the model that lots of us Americans look to as some shining beacon of hope to help with the epidemic of health problems which somehow nobody can figure out, and our getting scammed out of our life's savings by the health care corp/gov system:


Here's a decent analogy about what we Socialist (and former quasi-socialist like me) are doing in supporting various socialist policies today in the hopes that they will eventually turn into something positive:

We are going to pull and engine out of a car, buy new pistons, rings, etc, spend a ton on machine work, and spend a lot of time and care re-installing the thing.  But we have no motor oil and no reasonable way to get it.  We are just going to say 'fuck it' and fire up the engine to break it in anyway and worry about getting the motor oil later.  It's stupid engineering and it will fail.

If we don't have very strong democracy then Socialism class policies are certain to turn into the same nightmare that vexes other totalitarian regimes (until the collapse into a smoking ruin of misery and environmental devastation.)  Those actually driving what most Leftists mistake for Socialist policies at this point have anything but the public good in mind, and to the extent that they do, it is the same way a rancher wants the best for his herd of cattle.  There is a good point to be made that cutting most of their balls off and medicating them to keep the 'healthy', and eventually slaughtering them to keep the herd size optimal results in a better quality of life for the herd.  That argument resonates strongly with the rancher who just happens to also be making a ton of money off his activities.

I wouldn't call my self an anarchist or liberal per say but I do tend towards individualism. I have never voted(US Resident) because I do not feel that I am truly represented by the system that is in place. Some of my friends say that it is surrender but I say it is my refusal to be ignorant of how that system really works and my refusal to take part in that system in any way.

I do not pay taxes, receive social welfare in anyway and basically have as little to do with the system as possible. I basically do what I want when I want as long as it doesn't harm another individual or put my freedom in direct jeopardy. I see wealth as being happy and healthy not as having an abundance of material possessions.




Very well said.

Sounds like a great guy. I don't know what to say. Other than, why the hell would you choose a Lamborghini ? Soon as one of those things breaks down you're fucked - and you realise in an instant how enslaved you are to that which you thought you owned.

What you need is something that is long lived,simple and reliable - something that you are able to turn your hand to fixing yourself should things go wrong. Something that is modular in design and that can be kept going on scrapped parts of other such vehicles. Something all mechanical - without all the ecu's and shit.

  Something like this :
                  


That guy Wong should go for President - you lot love a rags to riches story - someone with a story like that could singlehandedly help to legitimate the exploitative domination, for what ? maybe another generation  

Just listen to the story of millionaire app developer Allen Wong..who came from one of these Chinese commune to United states and after many hardships succeeded bigtime..

How to Get a Lamborghini: Allen Wong's Story

They can't have come across Chairman Mao then  

Now there's a man that knew a thing or two about communes.



The change may or may not come from within, facilitated by technological advance.

My feeling is that it will come both from within, and from without. ie. peasant revolts against US exploitation in places like Ecuador, Iraq, Nigeria etc. cutting off the cheap natural resources currently helping to artificially bloat the average US citizens standard of living (which they themselves think is all down to the efficacy of the free market   ).

Some great information there and something to research. I think one of the central problems with anarchists is that many simply are living their ideals and theories within their head and not embodying it in practice as well. Once you commit to live by the principles, such as agorism and voluntarism in my case, the labels and theory don't matter as much as the solidarity and community despite any differences. So to me I am perfectly fine visiting, befriending, and working alongside individuals that wish to neglect the useful function currency provides as long as they don't abolish those rights I have.

 I too have been fascinated about open source ecology movement but have been more involved directly in the creating and learning process than documenting it, but I do plan on starting to document some of the projects in the future as well and become more involved with all of your great projects.

In solidarity, brother.  

No, it most certainly is not. The harm is heaped upon poor minority communities, most especially low-income black males who account for 80% of the prison (=rape-camp slave labor for profit) population.

A dangerously myopic perspective. When you can't swim in the oceans or even live within 50 miles of any ocean, will it affect you then?

Whoadude, I don't know where you're from but it's sure as shit better not be the United States.

Whatever healthcare system you have, I guarantee you it's better, WAY cheaper, more compassionate, more comprehensive, than the parasite profiteering model for health"care" we have here.

U.S. spends 18% of our GDP on healthcare.
Australia spends only 9% of GDP. That's a country that is mostly unlivable fucking desert, by the way.

Hip replacement in Belgium costs $13,000.
Hip replacement in U.S. = $100,000 +

Colonoscopy Switzerland = $650.
Colonoscopy in US = $1,100

1 month of Lipitor in New Zealand = $7.
1 month of Lipitor in U.S. = $124

In the U.S. healthcare providers charge whatever they think they can get away with.

BTW Americans go to the doctor less than Europeans and stay in hospitals far less time, probably because hospital stays are 7 times more expensive here in the U.S.