Topic: Bitcoin Dark Wallet: The Excuse Regulators Needed (Read 5484 times)

There is no real borders in internet. At point when one country makes usage of bitcoin difficult we can always choose different one.

Dark wallet might get even banned and I wouldn't even care. It is not like we really need it that much.

Power of government in long run is limited, one way or another.

i do love some of those anit-government, anti-corporation, anti-anything people.

especially how the building they are living in was made by a corporation, the internet they use is through a corporations network, the electricity, their water, the clothes they wear, etc. you get the idea, all supplied by corporations.

until i see them living in a mud hut/hand built house on land they have personally bought, wearing clothes made from the wool of sheep that they have grazed, their food is killed or picked using their bare hands from animals and plants on their land.... they have nothing useful to say

Regulators gonna regulate.

The key is for the technology to always keep one step ahead of the slower process of regulation.

Radical is the winning strategy.

Remember that "government" is just a word - there is no monolithic entity with that name. Instead, there are a large number of individuals who all have their own individual goals and motivations. The extent to which they cooperate to enforce certain policies on the rest of the population is a function of how well their individual goals and motivations align with the goals of the organization itself.

Regulators can't stop Bitcoin any more than the RIAA could stop P2P file sharing, so there's no need for Bitcoin users to self-censor out of a misplaced hope that doing so will protect them.

Every time regulators attempt to stifle Bitcoin and are unsuccessful, Bitcoin will gain more credibility and more users - and very importantly many of those users will be "defectors" from the government side. As governments are finding themselves unable to stop Bitcoin, their organizations will slowly start to fill up with Bitcoin users. Identifying the positive feedback loop in this scenario is left as an exercise for the reader.

Provoking conflict with the regulators is, in fact, the best thing that can happen for Bitcoin in the long term.

The war on drugs seems pretty oppressive to me.

Just come up with some noble reasons for anonymity
...

• Financial transaction by people who live in oppresive regimes

I was not aware of the fact that regulators need excuses to regulate something.

But if this is the case we can blame all the regulating-bullshit on Amir, can't we?

AMIR, ALL THE REGULATING-EFFORTS TO COME ARE ENTIRELY YOUR FAULT!

Joe

Mass adoption will happen regardless of the media and regulation because of utility. Bitcoin gaining mass adoption should be open as a useful tool to everyone whether they want to be free or constrained with regulations. Ultimately, the framework of the code itself is anarchistic being open source, decentralized, and non-coercive(you can fork the blockchain at will) but if you want to use Bitcoin in government regulated way you are free to as well. 

A salient example of why utility and ease of use trump media, laws and regulations is torrents. Almost everyone I know has some pirated movie, song, or software on their computer despite their political persuasion, demographic, media negativity, or illegality of it. The ease of acquisition, the unenforceability of trying to control decentralized sharing, the lack of cumbersome DRM all make torrenting ubiquitous and unstoppable.

We shouldn't be overly concerned with regulatory fears because in gutting bitcoin and making it merely a more efficient version of paypal we defeat most of the core reasons it exists. Any government that changes course and makes bitcoin illegal at this stage will ultimately doom their country into falling behind economically. Widespread adoption will happen because we code and develop more user friendly and secure wallets and tools.

If you are unhappy with the branding of the darkwallet, than you should fork it and create a whitewallet with the exact same feature set and tools but different name. We should flood decentralized marketplaces like OpenBazaar and Darkmarket with legal products and services to bolster that their are many benefits and reasons we need in society to trade in a private and decentralized way.

Good point.

We don't need to sell our souls just to speed up adoption of Bitcoin.

Just come up with some noble reasons for anonymity

• Funding whistleblowers
• Donating to charities that are not universaly popular
• Financial transaction by people who live in oppresive regimes
• Paying for medical treatment without creating documentation

Good point.

We don't need to sell our souls just to speed up adoption of Bitcoin.

Just come up with some noble reasons for anonymity

• Funding whistleblowers
• Donating to charities that are not universaly popular
• Financial transaction by people who live in oppresive regimes
• Paying for medical treatment without creating documentation

who said our goal is mass adoption? we see a new world possible and are singly focused towards our vision.
we're not going to paint over what we do with false gloss and weasel words.
more is at stake here than the price of bitcoin and a few american corporations.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/dark-wallet-let-there-be-dark-592356

I was not aware of the fact that regulators need excuses to regulate something.

But if this is the case we can blame all the regulating-bullshit on Amir, can't we?

AMIR, ALL THE REGULATING-EFFORTS TO COME ARE ENTIRELY YOUR FAULT!

Joe

 

But seriously, rights are never given, they must be taken. Look at it this way: society consists of people, each trying to reach their goals and pushing in their direction. The more you push, the bigger area of freedom you'll get. In the long run only the power matters, the laws would just legalize the existing balance of power. That's why being submissive in the worst strategy ever. Yours is only what you can protect. If you don't push back,  if they feel no resistance, they'll come and take everything. It doesn't matter how hard you'll try not to give them an excuse, they'll find excuses when they want them. If we won't fight for privacy, we will get none.