Topic: bitcoin distribution (Read 4388 times)

I could agree, but who is doing that work? Where are btc developers? Why early adopters are not using their billions of purchasing power for publicity?

Seems that everybody nowdays see btc as an investment, not as an opportunity to change our economic system.

The reality is that, for most people, it's too early to get involved.  There's still much work to be done.

I've buyed my millibtcs @1 dollar each as I said, more of we consider scams... I doubt I will see any return.

BUT this is not about mé not making money, is about btc distribution and the perception of unfairness. Since btc is backed only by trust (trust that some1 will accept my btc for something valueable ), perceptions are important I think.

Many people are not buying btc because they think " it's too late", or invest in altcoins for the same reason.

When I buy an IPO, I suppose that the company will use my money for development: how are u using my money?

Dear Newbie,

If you hold any amount of bitcoins, then you are an early adopter. A few years from now, people will whine about how you (an early adopter) were able to get millibitcoins with hardly any risk at all -- by mining, or by paying just few dollars. Please be patient and enjoy your status as an early adopter.

If you don't hold any bitcoins, then please don't complain about early adopters in the future.

Sincerely,

An Earlier Adopter

I dont think screamers have much faith in BTC, the will mainly exchange in fiat fast.

It doesn't 't seems like massive donations are on the way...only massive scams

to big holders, should learn to donate, instead of just being more greedy

Well said! That's the point!
But don't you think that distribution is already too unfair to permit this to happen with bitcoin?
The street man need to buy a coin from an highly volatile, sometimes shady market, store them accurately, wait 30 min at best for a transation to be confirmed. .. and no development in that direction, only scams everywhere! Seems that everybody, EXPECIALLY the pioneers, want to get rich quickly... not to establish a crypto economy.

 

the point shouldn't be to wait until retirement, and sell all your btc, we are here for the tech also i think....

it seems that bitcoin is only seen as a quick rich scheme, personally i'll always hold a good amount of it

i want to use it, directly in the future even at supermarket

I'm not saying that early adopters need to feel " guilty" , i'm only stressing a point that, for me, could be an obstacle for the developing of a real btc economy. These " tokens"  seems just pricy compared to a couple of years ago, and so it is, because early adopter didn't spent them. A vast majority of btc are not circulating, that's why the price is high.
When I buyed auroracoin, I buyed some to support a project (a coin 50% premined to be distibuted equally along Island's citiziens). But this was never done, developers become rich and soon abandoned the project, smartest early adopters dump all coins for a 1000+% ROI, and who get involved later or continued to belive in the project only lost his coins. It seems to resemble what's happening with btc, only in a slower way.

DISCLAIMER: I buyed @ 1000 and I lost coins with alt and stock market, that should bé why i'm a little nervous about how much i've paid my very few coins and how much other paid. I've been trought probably the worst period for btc: the gox thing, price falling, scammish altcoins everyday...i've been trought 2 exchangers (ecrypto and cryptorush) who stole my money, I buyed a miner who now is worthless... I lost a lot of money with btc.
I got involved with true passion, I wanted to support projects who seemed great to me... you can say that I didn't do my homework, but now I feel scammed.

 
PS: NEMcoin seems interesting, but a little complicated. Thank you for the spoiler, I need to investigate it.

What they got for their "hours of pc work or a few bucks" was worth a few bucks. Why does that seem unfair?

Suppose Auroracoin didn't fail and it was now worth $1000 each. Wouldn't that be unfair to the people that didn't get in early? How would you handle your guilt?

Is an egalitarian coin really a good investment, though?

Excellent, I'm glad I understood you.

I'm sorry to hear that you've been burnt before by altcoins; please be careful.  There are many scams but there are also some genuine efforts.  I vaguely recall NEM which might be of interest to you (haven't done enough research to tell you whether or not it's a scam but it has been around for a year or so).  Here's a taster:

Good luck!

This is happening, just look at the alt coin section and see how many shitty atlcoins there are. People are creating a lot of alt coins that have no value and getting people to invest in their coin.

The only difference is that most altcoins will almost certainly end up having zero value while bitcoin will most likely continue to retain it's value

Yep, you got my point: too much advantage for early adopters, the vast majority of them didn't risk more than some hours of pc work or a few bucks.... now they speack about selling the coins to Africa. .. for some hundred dollars each.
I have supported some coins like auroracoin in the past, but they all turned out to be scams 

We can fix the early adopter problem by allowing each person to create and mine their own alt coin. Everyone could be an early adopter and have millions of their coins. Then in five years or so, everyone would be millionaires.

Aha, now we're getting somewhere.  You perceive that early adopters have a disproportionate advantage over late users.  I assume that you see that these early adopters have input work and taken on risk that latecomers have not but still feel that this does not adequately justify their resultant wealth.

I feel that it does.  There are two factors which are quite easily overlooked or underestimated.

Firstly, an early adopter that still has thousands of bitcoins today has taken on a huge amount of risk.  Each day they hold a lot of wealth in Bitcoin and choose to continue holding.  A person which buys a million dollars worth of bitcoin and holds them for a month before selling has taken on significantly less risk than a long-term holder has in total.

The second factor is even more subtle, that these early adopters have done something highly valuable.  The first few 1000 people that supported the project may well have done something extremely valuable for mankind.  The free market does not assign wages to such people arbitrarily, they reap benefits based purely on voluntary exchange, based purely on the fact that Bitcoin is being used by over a million people worldwide and many people are freely willing to part with things of great value for these bitcoins.

Of course, part of this free-market way of rewarding the early adopters comes quite rightly from critics such as yourself.  You're certainly under no obligation to support Bitcoin.  There are altcoins which attempt a "fairer" initial distribution and I honestly encourage you to seek them out and lend them your support.  If none of them are satisfactory and you have an idea for something better then you might consider building or commissioning a "fairest of them all" cryptocurrency.

As I said, every coin need a change in its distribution in order to word. But if you start fairly, who knows?

I have paid you 5 fair coins,  but after that I could sell my services too, in order to regain them back.

Now we're in a whole different situation: " you"  have a billion of unfaircoins (because you started early, not 'cos you sold your services), and you can buy my services for " a fraction of the cost , if I accept unfaircoin. Why is that supposed to be better than fair distribution?

I don't follow you at all.

Let's suppose we have another cryptocurrency called "faircoin".  Initially, everyone in the world gets 100 faircoins.

Let's suppose you want to go to the airport and I offer to take you and your luggage in my car for 5 faircoins.  You agree.  I take you, you catch your flight and are satisfied.  I now have 105 faircoins and you have only 95 faircoins.

Now that I am rich and you are poor is this unfair?  Is this the naturally occurring "filth" which you refer too?  Should I be forced to give the 5 faircoins back now to make things fair again?

BTC is not the only asset class. A street man doesn't have to buy btc. He can live without it.