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July 21, 2020, 09:12:03 PM
#42
Op has mentioned the story that's been narrated for the web series. This is truly happening in the real world. There are specific website functioning for the same. I came across this on an YouTube video on which top websites doing crime accepting cryptocurrencies. In that it is mentioned about the price being quoted for each and every crime separately. These were also a reason to cause bad image for cryptocurrencies.
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July 21, 2020, 07:48:47 PM
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Bitcoin can easily be used for assassination payments, but it wouldn't happen on darknet markets, because like others have pointed out, it will always be a scam. Either the killer will scam their client, or the client will refuse to pay the killer. Most of the time hitmen get hired via personal connections, so there's some level of trust, and if some party gets scammed, they now how to find the scammer. But when people try to hire a hitman without connections, they'll often stumble on undercover police officers, who might even fake the killing of the victim to arrest them.
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July 21, 2020, 11:04:25 AM
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I bet most contract killing happens using fiat, or involves a conspiracy to steal fiat. It was meantioned earlier in the thread that most of what you see on the darkweb are scams.
Of course it does, fiat has been for a very long time that's how the rich people communicate. I don't believe in darkweb when you hire a killer or something to commit a crime, I don't really believe on those thing, that only exists on movies. Any proof we've got that these things exists? Those are just scam, trust nobody, even me  Wink

Seeing cryptocurrency on  movie has an impact both positive and negative, it depends on the viewer of the movie. Mostly cryptocurrencies are used to smuggle goods, pay terrorists, and any under the table transaction.
There's two impact that will vary on the understanding of the viewer. Crypto are for crime and Crypto is a great technology.


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July 21, 2020, 10:34:23 AM
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*There are sites on the darknet that exist to hire contract killers for bitcoin scam would-be clients

FTFY Wink

Most (if not all) of those sites are fake, you'll find plenty of articles on the subject matter. IIRC there's only one murder that's actually linked to a hitman that was hired via a hidden service and that one was an amateur that got caught pretty quickly.


Think about it, it's a pretty perfect scam.

You offer murder for hire, but since you're nice you only want 50% up-front. So you take 50% up-front and then... that's it. No one dies, your victim likely is kind of a dick anyway and they sure as hell won't go to the police ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


I saw that kind of advertisement before when I visited the dark web, that was a long time ago, maybe 3 years already IIRC. I was just curios that time but it was really a scary web,  after that I didn't visit again. Well, with that set up, that's really a scam, unless you can find an escrow to hold the money and just release it when the job is done, but it's still hard to verify the reputation of the escrow as the transaction itself in the first place is illegal, hence you can't complain  if anything does not go with the expectation. 

Offering escrow services for contract killings seems like a good way to scam a few more coins out on top of your "retainer":

"I understand if you don't trust me, even though I only take 50% in advance, but here this guy is a trusted escrow that can hold the coins for just a small fee!"



I doubt anyone would use the darknet to offer his services for real, this is not Uber to get better ratings, scamming gullible morons is far easier than risking your life.

Talking of which, since we're already on the topic of cryptocurrencies and crime in the media -- has anyone here watched Westworld? In season 3 they introduce an app called RICO, which is essentially Uber for crime. According to the creators it's in part inspired by "the idea of the blockchain" so it's probably the first (fictional) dApp that made it into mainstream science fiction. Pretty neat in my opinion.
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July 21, 2020, 08:49:03 AM
#38
It seems that some people have just discovered darknet. Yes, contract killers could also be found on dark web.
And yes, Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies can be misused for illegal activities and that is nothing new. But so can fiat money and nobody is making such drama because of it.
Of course Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies in general became popular for illegal activities because it's still harder to track transactions and reveal true identity than when it comes to fiat money.

As long as Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency are used as a mode of payment,  it is not a surprised that it will be used for such crimes like how they use fiat money to pay for their criminal biddings..  Though I believe fiat money is harder to trace than Bitcoin since Bitcoin transaction can be seen in a transparent blockchain, and especially if the fiat money transaction is p2p.

Neither with fiat or crypto it is really hard to be traced up since these kind of transactions will be most likely to be done for it hard to be traced. Even if you do talk about transparent blockchain, you wouldnt
able to spot which one or which tx do involve those illegal transactions.So its still pointless on tracking it out and come to think that coins can easily be mixed out via tumblers out there.
If illegal stuffs can happen on fiat then how much more on crypto? This isnt something new on where people do make use of its main features to make themselves undetectable.
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July 21, 2020, 08:31:20 AM
#37
There are sites on the darknet that exist to hire contract killers for bitcoin, including joke sites listing just about every famous person along with a bounty, I didn't browse any of them, I got this information from a clearnet blog. Also realistically it depends on the target, someone wouldn't get payed $500K to target an ordinary person.

*There are sites on the darknet that exist to hire contract killers for bitcoin scam would-be clients

FTFY Wink

Most (if not all) of those sites are fake, you'll find plenty of articles on the subject matter. IIRC there's only one murder that's actually linked to a hitman that was hired via a hidden service and that one was an amateur that got caught pretty quickly.


Think about it, it's a pretty perfect scam.

You offer murder for hire, but since you're nice you only want 50% up-front. So you take 50% up-front and then... that's it. No one dies, your victim likely is kind of a dick anyway and they sure as hell won't go to the police ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


I saw that kind of advertisement before when I visited the dark web, that was a long time ago, maybe 3 years already IIRC. I was just curios that time but it was really a scary web,  after that I didn't visit again. Well, with that set up, that's really a scam, unless you can find an escrow to hold the money and just release it when the job is done, but it's still hard to verify the reputation of the escrow as the transaction itself in the first place is illegal, hence you can't complain  if anything does not go with the expectation. 
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July 21, 2020, 07:53:39 AM
#36
It seems that some people have just discovered darknet. Yes, contract killers could also be found on dark web.
And yes, Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies can be misused for illegal activities and that is nothing new. But so can fiat money and nobody is making such drama because of it.
Of course Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies in general became popular for illegal activities because it's still harder to track transactions and reveal true identity than when it comes to fiat money.

As long as Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency are used as a mode of payment,  it is not a surprised that it will be used for such crimes like how they use fiat money to pay for their criminal biddings..  Though I believe fiat money is harder to trace than Bitcoin since Bitcoin transaction can be seen in a transparent blockchain, and especially if the fiat money transaction is p2p.
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July 21, 2020, 07:25:54 AM
#35
You might be wondering what the heck is that title!

Well recently I am watching a series on the Netflix : Salvation. A series based on the political plots against hacker group and taking over the white house meanwhile an asteroid is about to hit the earth in couple of months! Pretty mind twister but coming to the title I will explain what it means.

In the above series, one of the political leader surprsingly use his bitcoin's to pay the contract killers.

Series has shown this in Season 2 EP 6 where one of the good group finds a Bitcoin Hardware Wallet (They have shown it like pendrive). Upon decrypting it, they see huge number of transaction with 1000+ BTC in it.

The episode has shown how the killer getting paid in $ 500,000 USD in no time for next target. They use it so that no one can track such huge transaction and also to hide the identity of person doing all the fishy stuff.



I guess the Bitcoin has served the purpose of data integrity here by protecting the owner's identity and in addition to that end users identity who is getting paid.

However, this could happen in real life as well, it's illegal use of BTC for that matter.  Tongue


Very interesting to see BTC is getting showed up in movies/series as well. Producer must be paying the actors in BTC, lolz.  Grin


For such a dark world, the governments of many countries do not yet consider Bitcoin safe for their country. It is used not only for murder but also as a payment system for various illegal acts. It will continue to do so until it goes under a government and hopes for a healthy system. I am wondering when it will go under a government and get rid of all these immoral acts.
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July 21, 2020, 05:49:30 AM
#34
There is a probability that this is happening today, as criminals is really taking advantage of bitcoin's supposedly anonymity. And maybe one day we are going to hear this kind of scenario in the media.

Maybe, it is possibly happening right now but the media is focused on this pandemic that's why the happenings like that wasn't given an opportunity to be broadcast. Not all people are knowledgeable on what bitcoin is, and what are the benefits of it to us. If that really happened and this "bitcoin for contract killing scenario" was broadcasted, it will have a negative impact on bitcoin community.

But then again, this is not bitcoin's use case, its just criminals has seen the potential of exploiting bitcoin. Of course this could put bitcoin in bad light and in the spot light as tools being use by criminals. The same argument though can be used against fiat as well. So nothing new, if this 'imitates real life scenario", whether bitcoin or fiat is used.

Yeah, if any currency was used in "contract killing scenarios" like this, it will have a bad reputation to community and to the people who have a lot of money both cryptocurrency or fiat. That will make us hard to promote bitcoin by making good transactions, due to these illegal transactions like the OP was watched in Netflix.
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July 21, 2020, 05:42:00 AM
#33
We don't know if that is happen in real life or not, but I guess it is happen without we know. If the killer can accept bitcoin, that can give them a hiding place for the money, and they don't have to withdraw all of the bitcoin they had, but they only need to withdraw for their expenses. But that movie can be a way to attract more people who curious about bitcoin, and they will search for more news about bitcoin. But I wonder why the movie show bitcoin for the illegal transaction than to make for a good transaction such as donating the bitcoin for some charities without the charities know the sender. That will be good for people out there so they don't think that bitcoin is only used for the illegal activity or crime.
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July 21, 2020, 05:11:08 AM
#32
I heard many rumors that bitcoins are often used for similar purposes and not only. But this way you can use any resource, either for good or for bad purposes. This is a human factor, there are always two sides of the coin. Therefore, what was shown in the series is just one of the many cases of using bitcoin for both bad and good purposes.
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July 21, 2020, 05:00:26 AM
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I didn't know the story of the movie but base on your explanation, it shows that Bitcoin can be use in good and at the same time bad ways.

Well, I believe that many are using Bitcoin to hire some killers in the dark web though I don't have evidence to prove it but I know that some people here know it already. Bitcoin to hire killers is being used for a long time already I think and now that Bitcoin is becoming more popular, the chances of it to be use in different crimes will grow more.

With regards to the movie, this is a huge advertisement of Bitcoin if many watched it already.
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July 21, 2020, 03:48:24 AM
#30
99% scams but 1% true and yes, they can be found. However, what I found out is that most don´t reject orders for celebtrities, politicians or otherwise exposed people. Not sure if fake or not, but that site I stumbled upon also offered options for the way the victim shall be passed on. Not sure if it was real though, but prices for an average person were around 50K USD. A broken leg or some bludgeoning were available for about 10K. Again could have been fake but it sounds "reasonable".
The largest price for a head for a hitman is 10k dollars, the so called political assasination are conducted by conspirators that does not like that politician. Hitman for hire on the net is very hard to find because they are marketed as urban legends.
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July 21, 2020, 03:05:41 AM
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99% scams but 1% true and yes, they can be found. However, what I found out is that most don´t reject orders for celebtrities, politicians or otherwise exposed people. Not sure if fake or not, but that site I stumbled upon also offered options for the way the victim shall be passed on. Not sure if it was real though, but prices for an average person were around 50K USD. A broken leg or some bludgeoning were available for about 10K. Again could have been fake but it sounds "reasonable".
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July 21, 2020, 02:53:02 AM
#28
Trying to understand exactly what the movie is trying to show about Bitcoin.
Did it show the good sides of Bitcoin which is clearly better than fiat currencies, or it just painting it in bad light?
 In my opinion, people shouldn't be proud or pleased when something like that happens. Before you know it many people will begin to see a harmless/good thing as bad based on movies like that and not based on fact.   You could even convince people to hate or avoid banana by showing them images of criminals eating banana in order to survive during their crime activities.. . Keep repeating similar pictures/videos , they start hating banana and writing/talking only evil about it. And a good thing is craftily made bad just like that
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July 21, 2020, 02:35:51 AM
#27
In my opinion not only Bitcoin can be used for bad things, fiat or gold also can be used for bad things. So I'm not surprised that Bitcoin
in the Netflix series entitled Salvation is used for pay contracts killers. Because Bitcoin can be used for good or bad things depending on
the people who use it. Although the possibility is small in the real world contracts killer asking for payment with Bitcoin, they would definitely
prefer to be paid with cash money. I am very happy now many films that mention Bitcoin, indirectly this can help increase the popularity
of Bitcoin.
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July 21, 2020, 02:31:20 AM
#26
You might be wondering what the heck is that title!

Well recently I am watching a series on the Netflix : Salvation. A series based on the political plots against hacker group and taking over the white house meanwhile an asteroid is about to hit the earth in couple of months! Pretty mind twister but coming to the title I will explain what it means.

In the above series, one of the political leader surprsingly use his bitcoin's to pay the contract killers.

Series has shown this in Season 2 EP 6 where one of the good group finds a Bitcoin Hardware Wallet (They have shown it like pendrive). Upon decrypting it, they see huge number of transaction with 1000+ BTC in it.

The episode has shown how the killer getting paid in $ 500,000 USD in no time for next target. They use it so that no one can track such huge transaction and also to hide the identity of person doing all the fishy stuff.



I guess the Bitcoin has served the purpose of data integrity here by protecting the owner's identity and in addition to that end users identity who is getting paid.

However, this could happen in real life as well, it's illegal use of BTC for that matter.  Tongue


Very interesting to see BTC is getting showed up in movies/series as well. Producer must be paying the actors in BTC, lolz.  Grin
To be honest with you I think it was used for such thing for a very long time now I have read it before that there are some site in the darknet or deep web that would accept Bitcoin for such service.
There are also some service like hacking and other things so it was how Bitcoin is being used down there so it isn't really surprising or eye opening at all.
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July 21, 2020, 02:30:59 AM
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Series has shown this in Season 2 EP 6 where one of the good group finds a Bitcoin Hardware Wallet (They have shown it like pendrive). Upon decrypting it, they see huge number of transaction with 1000+ BTC in it.

Whoa. The biggest point in the whole movie's that these group of good guys actually managed to decrypt Bitcoin! I mean, how else did they access the wallet, yeah? Or are we saying some hardware maker's at fault? Did the rich man use McAfee's wallet? Haha.

Saw a similar film clip in Malay about Bitcoin too, cept the guy actually had the pendrive inside a suitcase hahaha.Wink
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July 21, 2020, 02:05:25 AM
#24
I bet most contract killing happens using fiat, or involves a conspiracy to steal fiat. It was meantioned earlier in the thread that most of what you see on the darkweb are scams.

I could go in the dark web and offer any sort of thing for money. You'd know it's a scam if I asked for something like 50% payment up front completely anonymously. The last and only time I checked and saw such a thing that's how it was set up.

It listed different prices for a regular person, law enforcement, politicians et cetera.

It's also very possible that these sites are set up by law enforcement and there will be an attempt to trace the funds or an attempt to deanonymize the user. You can never be sure what exploit the government has found to look through tor, maybe they have something and they are just waiting to catch enough people before going forward with arrests.
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July 21, 2020, 01:44:06 AM
#23
To OP,

Hiring contract killer via dark web is a reality and not a myth. Couple of weeks back I wrote about the illegal things ongoing with bitcoin and I mentioned the same there. You can do all sort of illegal things with bitcoin like arms dealing, drugs, contract killers, child pornogragy and what not! Dark web is crawling with such disgusting stuff and all powered by mostly bitcoin. Monero is catching up fast though!

I am sad because again bitcoin has tagged as a money system to do illegal things!
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