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legendary
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September 16, 2013, 05:19:25 PM
#26
Wow, that was a really good debate! All of the candidates did very well. Much better than any debate I've seen.

Joerg and Trace seem to want the Foundation to be in charge of development at some level, which I find very dangerous for any legally-defined organization to do.  I'd prefer the Foundation to be totally uninvolved in Bitcoin-Qt development and focus more on legal stuff, behaving more like the NRA or EFF. It'd also dangerous for one US-based Foundation to act as some sort of oversight organization for many Bitcoin Foundations worldwide; the Foundation should help international organizations, but each organization should be separate in order to maximize decentralization. Elizabeth said some nice things in these areas.

I wish someone would have corrected Trace when he was complaining about the Foundation taking money from people and then removing them from bitcoin.org: The Foundation has nothing to do with bitcoin.org, so this is a ridiculous complaint.

I liked most of what Elizabeth, Ben, and Luke said here. I'd be satisfied if any of them won, though I think that Elizabeth is the best candidate.

I will vote today.
donator
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1015
September 16, 2013, 02:05:50 AM
#25
Homogenized version finished. http://pastebin.com/kGAY4mU6

(too long for a forum post, both because it'd take up the entire screen of those maybe uninterested, and by hard forum limitation)
(I also am quite fond of Bjork, which I wasn't expecting.)
qwk
donator
Activity: 3542
Merit: 3413
Shitcoin Minimalist
September 15, 2013, 06:57:25 PM
#24
ETA: @ qwk, it takes me ~5x as long to accurately transcribe something as there is audio length. .1BTC/ep is still basically free work when they're 30-60m each. Maybe there's someone else who can do it in real-time or near real-time who'd take it up - definitely people faster than me. I don't do it often. Idunno - I've bitched about their lack of transcriptions before. I guess I'll do it for tips over the next couple months if I still can't find replacement FT work.

I know, I sometimes feel a little cheap for my low bounties. On the other hand, for myself, such a transcript wouldn't even be worth 0.001 BTC, so I'm actually overpaying by a factor of 100, and that's all I'm willing to give. Try to see it as an incentive rather than as a payment.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
September 15, 2013, 06:18:31 PM
#23
The effort to make the transcript is appreciated - but is there any reason to be putting *accents* into it?
No pay to keep me engaged. Turning speech into more of a caricature provides the engagement, instead. I think it helps in accurately determining inflection, too. More the engagement, though.

Grin You must've missed the first draft I put up before going over it again. Liz: ... so we want people to be encouraged to jump in and share ideas in the BTC marketplace, whether it's for soft porn development, or communication, or how we get off on the message.

If it were live captions, that's what would've shown up for people with CC on.  Cheesy

Will finish transcribing & edits tonight, give LTB a no-fun version while fun version will stay here. Won't start in on it for ~4hours, until daughter's in bed.

Carlos Danger?

Bwahahaha!
donator
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1015
September 15, 2013, 06:13:04 PM
#22
The effort to make the transcript is appreciated - but is there any reason to be putting *accents* into it?
No pay to keep me engaged. Turning speech into more of a caricature provides the engagement, instead. I think it helps in accurately determining inflection, too. More the engagement, though.

Grin You must've missed the first draft I put up before going over it again. Liz: ... so we want people to be encouraged to jump in and share ideas in the BTC marketplace, whether it's for soft porn development, or communication, or how we get off on the message.

If it were live captions, that's what would've shown up for people with CC on.  Cheesy

Will finish transcribing & edits tonight, give LTB a no-fun version while fun version will stay here. Won't start in on it for ~4hours, until daughter's in bed.

ETA: @ qwk, it takes me ~5x as long to accurately transcribe something as there is audio length. .1BTC/ep is still basically free work when they're 30-60m each. Maybe there's someone else who can do it in real-time or near real-time who'd take it up - definitely people faster than me. I don't do it often. Idunno - I've bitched about their lack of transcriptions before. I guess I'll do it for tips over the next couple months if I still can't find replacement FT work.

ETA2: Actually... it'd be a lot cheaper/efficient in these cases to actually do text interviews, then re-enact them on audio. Would make the audio version more efficient, too. (no "umms," corrections, cut-offs, miscommunications)
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 250
September 15, 2013, 03:39:11 PM
#21

You might want to rework your's, though  Wink

vhy vould you change a thing?! transcribed phonetically might be more accurate than not =P
qwk
donator
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Shitcoin Minimalist
September 15, 2013, 03:29:01 PM
#20
Thank you again, Kluge.

I'd like to point you to my new bounty for LetsTalkBitcoin transcripts:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-015-btc-per-transcript-of-letstalkbitcoin-294947

You might want to rework your's, though  Wink
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
September 15, 2013, 10:59:29 AM
#19
"Bjork" = "Joerg"


Hahahahhaha.

"Bjork" + "Joerg" = "Borg"?  Cheesy
donator
Activity: 213
Merit: 100
September 15, 2013, 10:53:07 AM
#18
The effort to make the transcript is appreciated - but is there any reason to be putting *accents* into it?

An obvious reason would be a personal bias against a candidate, and that certainly seems in ample evidence in this "transcript".

Still, beyond cheap potshots, it could at least be useful as a starting point for somebody else looking to make a more serious, neutral effort of it.
legendary
Activity: 1890
Merit: 1086
Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
September 15, 2013, 10:27:49 AM
#17
The effort to make the transcript is appreciated - but is there any reason to be putting *accents* into it?
legendary
Activity: 2058
Merit: 1005
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September 15, 2013, 10:13:38 AM
#16
"Bjork" = "Joerg"


Hahahahhaha.
qwk
donator
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Shitcoin Minimalist
September 15, 2013, 09:59:24 AM
#15
Why can't we have some kind of mechanism that ensures the one person who least wants to be on the board wins the seat?

Hm, just how do we get one of them onboard:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinelese_people?

 Grin
sr. member
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Merit: 254
Editor-in-Chief of Let's Talk Bitcoin!
September 15, 2013, 09:56:48 AM
#14
Will listen to debate and determine if fear is justified. ETA: Writing up a transcript, too - because why the fuck don't these people do transcripts? Seriously. Wtf.

ETA: First ~25m. Will get to rest later, and redo parts I couldn't hear well.

Thanks a lot for the transcript. Nice mimicking the accents and pronounciation.
By the way, the name is Joerg, not Bjork.

Also, agreed, why don't they do transcripts?

Last time LTB partnered with BitcoinMagazine, who paid one of their freelance writers to do the transcriptions, and they were out two days later.    Dan Roseman is going to do transcripts towards the end of the week if they're not done by someone else in the community, but everybody is very busy and transcribing (as Kluge knows) is quite time consuming.
legendary
Activity: 3430
Merit: 3080
September 15, 2013, 09:46:59 AM
#13
ugh, Bitcoin + politics = a million (more) contradictory and confused messages and impressions that cannot be made sense of.

Why can't we have some kind of mechanism that ensures the one person who least wants to be on the board wins the seat? Is it too late to endorse Bill Still for Bitcoin Foundation?  Grin
BCB
vip
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Merit: 1002
BCJ
September 15, 2013, 09:45:49 AM
#12
Also, agreed, why don't they do transcripts?

"They" are "we",  the members of this community. Did you volunteer to do transcripts like they volunteered to produce and participate in this debate?

Kluge,  thanks for transcribing.

And thanks to everyone involved in producing this debate.

I'm continually impressed by the talent and commitment and the passion of this community.
legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1076
September 15, 2013, 09:38:25 AM
#11
Also, agreed, why don't they do transcripts?

Be grateful they are doing this free service to the community.
sr. member
Activity: 303
Merit: 251
September 15, 2013, 09:18:59 AM
#10
way to go Andreas.  the whole thing was well done.

great moderating.

Thanks to LetsTalkBitcoin for hosting the debate on very short notice and thanks to Andreas for moderating.
I appreciate all of the candidates making time over Saturday to participate.
qwk
donator
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Shitcoin Minimalist
September 15, 2013, 08:38:29 AM
#9
Will listen to debate and determine if fear is justified. ETA: Writing up a transcript, too - because why the fuck don't these people do transcripts? Seriously. Wtf.

ETA: First ~25m. Will get to rest later, and redo parts I couldn't hear well.

Thanks a lot for the transcript. Nice mimicking the accents and pronounciation.
By the way, the name is Joerg, not Bjork.

Also, agreed, why don't they do transcripts?
newbie
Activity: 10
Merit: 0
September 15, 2013, 06:36:25 AM
#8
"The clock is ticking and we do not have much time until Bitcoin is compromised" - Hamster Girl.
legendary
Activity: 2786
Merit: 1031
September 15, 2013, 06:08:20 AM
#7
(..)I'd prefer the Foundation to be totally uninvolved in Bitcoin-Qt development and focus more on legal stuff, behaving more like the NRA or EFF. It'd also dangerous for one US-based Foundation to act as some sort of oversight organization for many Bitcoin Foundations worldwide; (...)

That was the point I felt it was the most interesting, I see no reason why Bitcoin foundation should have anything to say about Bitcoin-QT, the fact they are a US based organization is a liability, I hope we see many Bitcoin Foundations popping around all around the world and some can pay for developers, or a developing model similar to the Linux model, I often refer to the Bitcoin Foundation as the US Bitcoin Foundation, bitcoin is global and decentralized, related organizations also have to be.
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