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newbie
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September 19, 2018, 08:15:34 PM
it is top if all of the Bitcoin users pays their taxes. through this, we are able to say with self assurance that Bitcoin is supporting every u . s .'s financial system. and that i realize that extra people will join the crypto world no matter the tax that they need to pay.
full member
Activity: 294
Merit: 100
September 19, 2018, 07:31:24 AM
No, I don't think that they have to. And I can't imagine a law which will make them to do so, BTC wallets are non-personalized.
They are still looking for ways, it is very difficult but they will try to limit the loss of budget. Taxes are the lifeblood of a nation, bitcoin holders will good source of income if they can control these people.
legendary
Activity: 1204
Merit: 1028
September 19, 2018, 07:17:01 AM
You should listen to news and read latest articles in order to stay update. Bitcoin has been successfully recognized by so many developed countries of the world such as America, England, Japan and so on. Recently Germany has also recognized bitcoin which means it is legal in these states. Bitcoin is decentralized so no one can put tax on it.

If people cooperate with government then it will build economy as well and our living style will become more comfortable. Fiat is also helping us out in our countries but when we look at the cryptocurrency and furthermore discuss about tax then it feels irrelevant to pay tax on it as it is decentralized and government should give us free hand in it as they are collecting tax on other things so they have to make it tax free for us just like other countries are tax free for it. Government can make our living style comfortable as they are taking tax from us in other things.
sr. member
Activity: 1624
Merit: 250
September 18, 2018, 03:26:20 PM
If any government applies the taxation system to a cryptocurrency holder that it most likely kills the initial idea of digital currency existence and use

Taxation should also be available if the governments exist. Because all public expenditures cannot be paid by their own pockets. We don't live in crypto world, so today's payment method is paper money.
member
Activity: 252
Merit: 12
September 18, 2018, 02:39:15 PM
IMO it won't make a fatal difference in the community. Those who doesn't take crypto seriously probably will leave but most people will stay.
hero member
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Merit: 500
September 18, 2018, 02:25:42 PM
What will happen on BTC if the government will said that all the bitcoin holder have to pay their tax??
Maybe the expansion of BTC community will get low than usual.
According to what I understand about paying tax in my perception ,I think I am already paying tax though I know Bitcoin was a decentralize system. Through the exchange that I am using it now where I convert all my bitcoin profit on this platform due to this exchange was bitcoin accepted were it is registered under SEC ( security exchange commission ) which is under by the government, therefore they are paying tax, meaning, we as their user clients to their platform was already paying tax too.

When Bitcoin becomes the recognized cryptocurrency, we will all have to pay the taxes for the operations with it. I know that this system work already in some European countries.
full member
Activity: 392
Merit: 100
platform for everyday business
September 18, 2018, 11:45:34 AM
What will happen on BTC if the government will said that all the bitcoin holder have to pay their tax??
Maybe the expansion of BTC community will get low than usual.

Actualy in this situation,if the bitcoin earners would pay taxes to the government,i thinks i probably agree this kind of law as long they they make the crypto become regulated and legalized in order to centralized all the transaction of exchange market,and if by this happen  the  taxes we payed can be used in some  infrastracture  and development progress of our country  like by building bridges and other social economic development.
full member
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Merit: 102
APOLLOX Protocol
September 18, 2018, 11:01:27 AM
No, I don't think that they have to. And I can't imagine a law which will make them to do so, BTC wallets are non-personalized.
member
Activity: 392
Merit: 10
September 18, 2018, 10:03:15 AM
I am not sure what are you willing to say exactly but as of now, I am paying taxes for the earning made in Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency for that matter. It is true that Bitcoin is not yet legalized by most of the governments but that doesn't mean we shouldn't pay tax on it. Any gain is subject to tax (with some provisions and exceptions) in my jurisdiction so even if it is not taxable as Bitcoin but it is taxable as a monetary gain in my country.

OP probably wanted to say that you may have to pay a tax on your cryptoholdings very much like you have to pay a property tax every year in so many countries. For example, if you own a few acres of land or a piece of real estate, say, a shabby cabin by the lake, these are all taxable. Though I don't know how any government is going to collect such a tax if it levies it on possession of crypto. I don't know if there is such a government, but it would be interesting to see how things are going to develop in this particular case and what their mileage will be

As for myself, such tax doesn't make much sense as it will be very hard to collect and yet harder to prove tax evasion
Maybe I have to pay income tax on monthly bitcoin profits, bitcoin taxes are reasonable and I support them. Tax helps the government protect and develop bitcoin, tax revenue means the government has accepted bitcoin
hero member
Activity: 1190
Merit: 534
September 18, 2018, 09:14:44 AM
I am not sure what are you willing to say exactly but as of now, I am paying taxes for the earning made in Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency for that matter. It is true that Bitcoin is not yet legalized by most of the governments but that doesn't mean we shouldn't pay tax on it. Any gain is subject to tax (with some provisions and exceptions) in my jurisdiction so even if it is not taxable as Bitcoin but it is taxable as a monetary gain in my country.

OP probably wanted to say that you may have to pay a tax on your cryptoholdings very much like you have to pay a  property tax every year in so many countries. For example, if you own a few acres of land or a piece of real estate, say, a shabby cabin by the lake, these are all taxable. Though I don't know how any government is going to collect such a tax if it levies it on possession of crypto. I don't know if there is such a government, but it would interesting to see how things are going to develop in this particular case and what their mileage will be

As for myself, such tax doesn't make much sense as it will be very hard to collect and yet harder to prove tax evasion

Yes, tracking crypto holdings and assessing the tax liability is the real trouble for the governments. I recently read this article,

* Japan’s National Police Installing Crypto Transaction Tracking System - Bitcoin News.

But there is always a loophole for such system and hence the whole system is based on self-declaration and assessment in the initial phase, that would create chaos across the crypto community. As of now, in my country, we are taxed when the amount is converted into the fiat currency and there is no other way for the government to believe on the information furnished by the taxpayer assessee.

It will create chaos in the tax system itself before anything else. For example, here, in Soviet Russia (lol) the tax authorities have officially stated that they are not going to do anything about crypto and those who are involved in cryptocurrency operations. And it is not about possessing crypto and declaring it, it is about anything crypto related assuch including income tax on profits earned via cryptocurrency operations ("buy low, sell high"), the tax which you should pay in other countries lest you get in jail. Yes, it is an official position of the Russian tax service, and it is dictated by understanding that going after every potential tax dodger would create more problems than solve

So cryptocurrencies are officially tax-free or tax-exempt in Russia

The population of the Russian Federation is 147 million.
The working population is 71.8 million.
Millions of them are officially not employed anywhere and do not pay taxes.
Citizens of the former Soviet republics + Chinese, Koreans and other people who live without registration can not be counted (several million 2-5, read some opinions). They also do not pay taxes. All issues are resolved through bribes.

This is our country, and mining has nothing to do with it. Catching miners is a difficult task and not the most urgent problem.


There was a time when bitcoin price was 20k and now its just 6,400$ which makes a big difference.But if government accept it they'll surly apply highly tax because its volatile and government makes big profit.

Irrespective of the price in the market, the government will always charge maximum possible tax rate for the crypto industry because not everyone will disclose his crypto holding or profits so, in order to recover the amount of evaded tax, the genuine taxpayers will suffer from it. There must be some concrete mechanism if the government is willing to levy a tax on the crypto sector.
newbie
Activity: 210
Merit: 0
September 18, 2018, 08:12:48 AM
If any government applies the taxation system to a cryptocurrency holder that it most likely kills the initial idea of digital currency existence and use
newbie
Activity: 70
Merit: 0
September 18, 2018, 06:37:52 AM
I am not sure what are you willing to say exactly but as of now, I am paying taxes for the earning made in Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency for that matter. It is true that Bitcoin is not yet legalized by most of the governments but that doesn't mean we shouldn't pay tax on it. Any gain is subject to tax (with some provisions and exceptions) in my jurisdiction so even if it is not taxable as Bitcoin but it is taxable as a monetary gain in my country.

OP probably wanted to say that you may have to pay a tax on your cryptoholdings very much like you have to pay a  property tax every year in so many countries. For example, if you own a few acres of land or a piece of real estate, say, a shabby cabin by the lake, these are all taxable. Though I don't know how any government is going to collect such a tax if it levies it on possession of crypto. I don't know if there is such a government, but it would interesting to see how things are going to develop in this particular case and what their mileage will be

As for myself, such tax doesn't make much sense as it will be very hard to collect and yet harder to prove tax evasion

Yes, tracking crypto holdings and assessing the tax liability is the real trouble for the governments. I recently read this article,

* Japan’s National Police Installing Crypto Transaction Tracking System - Bitcoin News.

But there is always a loophole for such system and hence the whole system is based on self-declaration and assessment in the initial phase, that would create chaos across the crypto community. As of now, in my country, we are taxed when the amount is converted into the fiat currency and there is no other way for the government to believe on the information furnished by the taxpayer assessee.

It will create chaos in the tax system itself before anything else. For example, here, in Soviet Russia (lol) the tax authorities have officially stated that they are not going to do anything about crypto and those who are involved in cryptocurrency operations. And it is not about possessing crypto and declaring it, it is about anything crypto related assuch including income tax on profits earned via cryptocurrency operations ("buy low, sell high"), the tax which you should pay in other countries lest you get in jail. Yes, it is an official position of the Russian tax service, and it is dictated by understanding that going after every potential tax dodger would create more problems than solve

So cryptocurrencies are officially tax-free or tax-exempt in Russia

The population of the Russian Federation is 147 million.
The working population is 71.8 million.
Millions of them are officially not employed anywhere and do not pay taxes.
Citizens of the former Soviet republics + Chinese, Koreans and other people who live without registration can not be counted (several million 2-5, read some opinions). They also do not pay taxes. All issues are resolved through bribes.

This is our country, and mining has nothing to do with it. Catching miners is a difficult task and not the most urgent problem.


There was a time when bitcoin price was 20k and now its just 6,400$ which makes a big difference.But if government accept it they'll surly apply highly tax because its volatile and government makes big profit.
member
Activity: 294
Merit: 10
September 17, 2018, 11:03:39 AM
What will happen on BTC if the government will said that all the bitcoin holder have to pay their tax??
Maybe the expansion of BTC community will get low than usual.
Taxation is a duty of every person, once the government has levied bitcoin, which means that the government has accepted the bitcoin. The government's acceptance of bitcoin is being more than ever expected, it would be news to advertise bitcoin and I believe the bitcoin exchange will be expanded
full member
Activity: 1050
Merit: 100
September 17, 2018, 09:32:02 AM
The use of digital currency, such as bitcoin as an investment product by taxpayers (WPs) who get profits must pay income tax (PPh) and must be reported in the annual income tax return. This obligation must be implemented even though bitcoin is not a legal payment system in Indonesia.
from your story, i think we have been indirectly taxed. because every income we get from bitcoin must be included in the annual tax reporting, so it will be subject to income tax
full member
Activity: 574
Merit: 108
September 17, 2018, 09:30:19 AM
The taxation regarding Bitcoin holders is not new anymore to other people in other countries that has already paying taxes for the crypto currency world. However, when it comes to other countries, there are no regulatuons yet when it comes to bitcoin. But if all bitcoin holders will have to pay the tax to the government, definitely, the government will somehow regulate almost whole the bitcoin world. And I think that this will not be good since what makes the bitcoin today is the people who believes in its autonomous nature. But on the other hand, if the bitcoin will be on the government's side, then if there will come a time that it may decrease its value, the government may find for ways to make its value increase again; the government could somehow help.
newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 0
September 17, 2018, 09:17:03 AM
i think Government give legalization of the crypto currency the process will be approached in the states to completion. then all bitcoin holder can agree pay tax.
full member
Activity: 420
Merit: 100
September 17, 2018, 06:28:46 AM
The use of digital currency, such as bitcoin as an investment product by taxpayers (WPs) who get profits must pay income tax (PPh) and must be reported in the annual income tax return. This obligation must be implemented even though bitcoin is not a legal payment system in Indonesia.
jr. member
Activity: 92
Merit: 1
September 17, 2018, 05:58:03 AM
I am not sure what are you willing to say exactly but as of now, I am paying taxes for the earning made in Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency for that matter. It is true that Bitcoin is not yet legalized by most of the governments but that doesn't mean we shouldn't pay tax on it. Any gain is subject to tax (with some provisions and exceptions) in my jurisdiction so even if it is not taxable as Bitcoin but it is taxable as a monetary gain in my country.

OP probably wanted to say that you may have to pay a tax on your cryptoholdings very much like you have to pay a  property tax every year in so many countries. For example, if you own a few acres of land or a piece of real estate, say, a shabby cabin by the lake, these are all taxable. Though I don't know how any government is going to collect such a tax if it levies it on possession of crypto. I don't know if there is such a government, but it would interesting to see how things are going to develop in this particular case and what their mileage will be

As for myself, such tax doesn't make much sense as it will be very hard to collect and yet harder to prove tax evasion

Yes, tracking crypto holdings and assessing the tax liability is the real trouble for the governments. I recently read this article,

* Japan’s National Police Installing Crypto Transaction Tracking System - Bitcoin News.

But there is always a loophole for such system and hence the whole system is based on self-declaration and assessment in the initial phase, that would create chaos across the crypto community. As of now, in my country, we are taxed when the amount is converted into the fiat currency and there is no other way for the government to believe on the information furnished by the taxpayer assessee.

It will create chaos in the tax system itself before anything else. For example, here, in Soviet Russia (lol) the tax authorities have officially stated that they are not going to do anything about crypto and those who are involved in cryptocurrency operations. And it is not about possessing crypto and declaring it, it is about anything crypto related assuch including income tax on profits earned via cryptocurrency operations ("buy low, sell high"), the tax which you should pay in other countries lest you get in jail. Yes, it is an official position of the Russian tax service, and it is dictated by understanding that going after every potential tax dodger would create more problems than solve

So cryptocurrencies are officially tax-free or tax-exempt in Russia

The population of the Russian Federation is 147 million.
The working population is 71.8 million.
Millions of them are officially not employed anywhere and do not pay taxes.
Citizens of the former Soviet republics + Chinese, Koreans and other people who live without registration can not be counted (several million 2-5, read some opinions). They also do not pay taxes. All issues are resolved through bribes.

This is our country, and mining has nothing to do with it. Catching miners is a difficult task and not the most urgent problem.


I am against this because the government doesn’t help us if there is any mishap but they want to impose tax. It is totally a burden on poor small investors. One thing is possible that tax should be imposing only on big investors because they make huge profits against their investment. Small investors even lose their money due to fall in the price. I will never pay tax.
jr. member
Activity: 87
Merit: 1
September 17, 2018, 05:51:48 AM
I personally don't see anything wrong with paying taxes as long as I have my freedom and I'm not being in prison or being treated as a slave ? As an American we all agree to live by the laws of the land this includes paying taxes. But to be frank with you if you decide not to pay taxes on your Bitcoins and the government comes and takes your property because you were not paying taxes it seems to me like it wouldn't matter very much because if you had enough Bitcoin that you weren't paying taxes on and they came and took your property then all you have to do is buy more property? After all they never got the tax your Bitcoins. I don't really recommend this kind of life for anyone especially if you have a family and what's the purpose in it I mean we all want to make money we all pay taxes and we all live a happy life hopefully not in prison.
full member
Activity: 658
Merit: 106
September 17, 2018, 04:17:01 AM
What will happen on BTC if the government will said that all the bitcoin holder have to pay their tax??
Maybe the expansion of BTC community will get low than usual.



That is what happen if bitcoin become regulated by government all people has subject to pay taxes of course BTC is still standing and and continuously brilliant as long as bitcoin still decentralized people don't afraid to lose their profit.
i think bitcoin community would not getting low when its regulated by government.but the opposite with it, people are being comfortable with this regulation, and maybe new investors will coming with large money.
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