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Quote from: so98nn on January 16, 2021, 01:44:22 AM

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You forgot about grayscale too since they hold huge portion of btc too.

I know about Grayscale, I have put them already in preamble, since they are custodian, not Investment institution (a bit different), but yeah, their position is massive, and their influence is huge in the market
which is also good, is that they will not go away soon, they are here to stay, their customers pay premium to join, and it sounds very good so far (2020 was a main year for them), they also have LTC, ETH trusts as well, and they are buying huge amounts for their clients

according to Grayscale website - they have 649,459,500 Shares, with 0.00094934 BTC/Share, which amounts to cca. 617k BTC (17k more than five days ago, when I wrote the main article)

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These institutions are the backbone of crypto space now. I believe more or less in PayPal to be honest because they are the spark for everyone and elon musk is real hero when I see bitcoin in the first place. He may not show up his true investments into bitcoin but he has put up so much money into it one can not believe it. Institutional investment comes from the share holders of that company which means we are securing large portion of money into bitcoin market and thus can assure bitcoin won’t fall unless these people take out their large amount of money out of it. This anyways impossible in the first place since they are long term holders too.

You forgot about grayscale too since they hold huge portion of btc too.

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Quote from: crzy on January 15, 2021, 09:27:04 AM

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The whole market had changed completely compared to the recent bull-market due to the number of institutions getting involved in the market. In time more and more institutions and even companies will start getting into crypto which will be beneficial to those early adopters.

Very unfortunate for a small time investors since Bitcoin will finally take over by those companies and will continue to manipulate the market. Well, the real idea of this one is to give access to those who don’t have bank accounts before but I think we grow a lot over the past decade and yeah, we must embrace this one. If you still don’t have Bitcoin better to grab some now before its too late, hopefully those whales will not dump Bitcoin on a one time big time.

Small time crypto users can still own some satoshis. Everyone is welcome to invest or hold bitcoin. That is the beauty of crypto. No one is labeled to be poor or rich. Names are not mentioned. Usually, just a group of people, like whales or entities like institutions. But you will not hear or read that this individual (with name) is the top bitcoin holder.

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The whole market had changed completely compared to the recent bull-market due to the number of institutions getting involved in the market. In time more and more institutions and even companies will start getting into crypto which will be beneficial to those early adopters.

Very unfortunate for a small time investors since Bitcoin will finally take over by those companies and will continue to manipulate the market. Well, the real idea of this one is to give access to those who don’t have bank accounts before but I think we grow a lot over the past decade and yeah, we must embrace this one. If you still don’t have Bitcoin better to grab some now before its too late, hopefully those whales will not dump Bitcoin on a one time big time.

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Quote from: fillippone on January 15, 2021, 05:42:53 AM

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Todays institutions are flocking to bitcoin, tomorrow States will.

indeed, already happening with Iran and Pakistan, that are in the process, Iran is subsidizing mining equipment for large farms, in a pursue to avoid sanctions on their banking system and one province in Pakistan is establishing their own mining farm (as to my knowledge, first state (province) owned Bitcoin mining farm)

https://decrypt.co/53918/pakistan-is-now-using-government-funds-to-mine-bitcoin

seems that West countries will follow the process, it is inevitable

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The good thing about the Institutional investors buying Bitcoin is that they are long term investors unlike retail investors that looked at the screen every time. There is plus and minus of everything but the positive here is more than the negative.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on January 15, 2021, 05:07:37 AM

^^ Yeah, hot topic as bitcoin's narrative has completely made a U-turn. No longer just an assets that we can trade in an exchange, but this huge companies are using it to hedge or as reserved assets now, pushing the price to a level that we have conquered. And it's just the beginning, there could be more just waiting for the perfect timing to join in the next 3-6 months.

Indeed, interesting times ahead.
As you know Grayscale yesterday resumed buying bitcoins.
They also published their 2020 Q4 investment report, amongst their impressive report, there is a very interesting piece of information: their view on the future of Bitcoin in 2021

Quote from: fillippone on January 14, 2021, 06:15:00 PM

Really interesting to read is the vision of Greyscale for 2021: What's next?

Todays institutions are flocking to bitcoin, tomorrow States will.

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^^ Yeah, hot topic as bitcoin's narrative has completely made a U-turn. No longer just an assets that we can trade in an exchange, but this huge companies are using it to hedge or as reserved assets now, pushing the price to a level that we have conquered. And it's just the beginning, there could be more just waiting for the perfect timing to join in the next 3-6 months.

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As other have pointed out, there are many other thread on the forum trying to keep track of those.

Those, are for example, only the treads I personally decided to start:

Everything you wanted to know about Grayscale BTC Trust but were afraid to ask!
MicroStrategy Buys $250M in Bitcoin, Calling the Crypto ‘Superior to Cash’
Fidelity President Files For New Bitcoin Fund
Winklevoss The Case for $500K Bitcoin
Square invests 50 million USD in BTC: instrument of economic empowerment
Bitcoin Treasuries
PayPal to allow cryptocurrency buying, selling and shopping on its network
Van Eck Launches a Bitcoin ETN on Xetra
Valour Launches World's First Fee-Free Bitcoin Exchange Traded Product (ETP)
US Firm Launches Company-Sponsored Bitcoin Retirement Plans
SkyBridge launches SkyBridge Bitcoin Fund LP

The topic is indeed very hot, but I think it is justifiable as this phenomenon is a clear consequence of the Bitcoin evolving into the new #phase5 of it’s life: the best Treasury asset to invest in order to prepotente the real purchasing power.
Please feel free to use any relevant information you might find useful in the above threads.

So, welcome to the team, and let’s help each other tracking new Bitcoin investments!

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Quote from: casperBGD on January 13, 2021, 03:13:15 PM

Quote from: aoluain on January 13, 2021, 11:59:57 AM

Interesting info even though it is listed elsewhere as exstasie posted.

Might be worth listing The Winklevoss Twins.

Also it would be nice to see those custodial investors seperately like
Grayscale as you noted and also Fidelity Investments, I'm sure there
are more, PayPal and Revolut perhaps.

yeah, I saw that there is several listings that comprise Institutional investors, but wanted to put a list that has recent inputs (from 2020) that probably influenced this spike in price
Winklevoss Twins are large investors, but I did not saw their recent investments, could you provide any link on that

PayPal is having good inputs as well, will try to figure out how much they bought since adoption, and put it into this list, thanks for comment

Ah ok I see that you are focusing on recent inputs, im not aware either
of the Winklevoss Twins expanding their Bitcoin holdings.

Publically listed companies have a process to go through before they can
make an official announcement so some of the news we hear is related to
Bitcoin aquisitions from December and November.

This article announces Guggenheim wants to get in on the action, should be worth
keeping an eye on, although news will break and we wont miss it.

Quote from: https://www.coindesk.com/guggenheim-fund-files-to-be-able-to-invest-up-to-almost-500m-in-bitcoin-through-gbtc

Guggenheim Funds Trust filed an amendment with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission
to allow its $5 billion Macro Opportunities Fund gain exposure to bitcoin by investing up to 10% of the
fund’s net asset value in the Grayscale Bitcoin Trust (GBTC).

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Quote from: zanezane on January 13, 2021, 11:41:41 PM

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The good thing about this is that institutional investors as @magneto said is not interested in speculation but a long term hodl is a good indicator of price hike which I hope that it will be the case.

yeah, exactly

it seems that institutional investors are here to stay, and would not go out for short-term profit, which is certainly obtained by some of them (MicroStrategy earned from BTC more than their previous market capitalization on NASDAQ)
they are looking to buy and HODL as a hedge, same as Gold, and that is a strategic decision, not for a profit, especially from MassMutual, for example, whereas their profit would be small in comparison to their complete assets

as well, institutional investors do have to have regulated practice, and cannot buy and sell occasionally, they have some boards to consult first, and they will probably stay for a long time here

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Quote from: magneto on January 12, 2021, 06:12:46 PM

There was actually a lot of institutional money behind the past rallies as well, but it's different this time in that institutions are actually actively seeking to hold BTC in their proprietary trust as opposed to taking advantage of short term price fluctuations.

And you can see this from the fact that exchange balances are actually decreasing at a rapid rate despite the rally.

Institutions aren't as interested in speculating this time round. The likes of Ray Dalio have said that the current world order is very fragile, and BTC has now grown to be seen as a hedge against that as a long term asset.

That must be the reason that institutional investors become the talk of the town, they become a more proactive players in the bitcoin market. The balances getting lower is a pretty scary prospect for individuals that invest in bitcoin because they will be the first to be affected by a price dump or a hiccup that can cause panic amongst the bitcoin population. The good thing about this is that institutional investors as @magneto said is not interested in speculation but a long term hodl is a good indicator of price hike which I hope that it will be the case.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on January 13, 2021, 04:06:31 PM

I do not see "PayPal" on your list and I should think that they should be on top of the list....seeing that they are the trigger for most of these companies to start buying Bitcoin.

One of the first large companies to buy Bitcoin was Overstock under Patrick Byrne and they set the example for many other large companies to buy bitcoins. Wink

could you provide some links for Overstock and PayPal holdings, and I will put them into the list, it is hard to find what amounts they have actually bought, but nevertheless, will add PayPal into the list, their move was really important for the industry, and other followed examples set by MicroStrategy and PayPal

edit: added PayPal to the list

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I do not see "PayPal" on your list and I should think that they should be on top of the list....seeing that they are the trigger for most of these companies to start buying Bitcoin.

One of the first large companies to buy Bitcoin was Overstock under Patrick Byrne and they set the example for many other large companies to buy bitcoins. Wink

PayPal will soon be the company with the most bitcoins, even if the ownership is tracked on their own internal ledger system. (The trading is not done on the Blockchain) Roll Eyes

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on January 13, 2021, 09:39:57 AM

Although I’ve never really liked the idea of these institutions because I prefer that Bitcoin is being by more individuals than institutions holding it in buck.

I don't mind if Bitcoin is used more by individuals or institutions, imo, that's the reason i have a proclivity to Bitcoin, I'm talking about the control, freedom of use by whatever or whoever party chooses to use it. This corporations adopting Bitcoin is definitely good for the network, not just in the price movement, but also for adoption. Having said that, Bitcoiners are prolly worried if this institutions sell off their Bitcoins, what's going to become of the price, but imo, it's not something to sweat over, there could be a plunge if that's to happen, but there have been many in the past, plus it's not possible for them all to pull out of the network at the same period in time; so Bitcoin would still find it's feet even if that happens.

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Quote from: aoluain on January 13, 2021, 11:59:57 AM

Interesting info even though it is listed elsewhere as exstasie posted.

Might be worth listing The Winklevoss Twins.

Also it would be nice to see those custodial investors seperately like
Grayscale as you noted and also Fidelity Investments, I'm sure there
are more, PayPal and Revolut perhaps.

yeah, I saw that there is several listings that comprise Institutional investors, but wanted to put a list that has recent inputs (from 2020) that probably influenced this spike in price
Winklevoss Twins are large investors, but I did not saw their recent investments, could you provide any link on that

PayPal is having good inputs as well, will try to figure out how much they bought since adoption, and put it into this list, thanks for comment

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Quote from: magneto on January 12, 2021, 06:12:46 PM

There was actually a lot of institutional money behind the past rallies as well, but it's different this time in that institutions are actually actively seeking to hold BTC in their proprietary trust as opposed to taking advantage of short term price fluctuations.

And you can see this from the fact that exchange balances are actually decreasing at a rapid rate despite the rally.

Institutions aren't as interested in speculating this time round. The likes of Ray Dalio have said that the current world order is very fragile, and BTC has now grown to be seen as a hedge against that as a long term asset.

The holding is the biggest change, because in the end we are talking about corporations that want to keep bitcoin and not sell theirs, that is a huge change from what we had in the years before, people bought bitcoin in bulk before as well but they ended up selling theirs very quickly when there was profit, we are talking about tens of thousands of bitcoins all bought to increase the price but decreased when all of them ended up selling bitcoin as well.

So, year was a lot different because we are talking about over half a million bitcoins all bought and not being sold on the market right now, don't know if grayscale will ever end up selling their coins, the more they hold it and the longer they hold it, the more money they will make, it is all about patience and who would be more patient than someone who has tens of billions of dollars.

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Interesting info even though it is listed elsewhere as exstasie posted.

Might be worth listing The Winklevoss Twins.

Also it would be nice to see those custodial investors seperately like
Grayscale as you noted and also Fidelity Investments, I'm sure there
are more, PayPal and Revolut perhaps.

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Apart from that of Square and Microstrategy, I am just getting to know about the other institutions you have mentioned here; Tudor, Ruffer, Mass Mutual, and One River are still new to me. I have seen someone create a list like this and I don’t remember seeing them mention any of these ones that you have mentioned, so that shows that there are more to this.

I think you should do more research, there are still a lot of other companies that are investing in Bitcoin this year. Although I’ve never really liked the idea of these institutions because I prefer that Bitcoin is being by more individuals than institutions holding it in buck.

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There was actually a lot of institutional money behind the past rallies as well, but it's different this time in that institutions are actually actively seeking to hold BTC in their proprietary trust as opposed to taking advantage of short term price fluctuations.

And you can see this from the fact that exchange balances are actually decreasing at a rapid rate despite the rally.

Institutions aren't as interested in speculating this time round. The likes of Ray Dalio have said that the current world order is very fragile, and BTC has now grown to be seen as a hedge against that as a long term asset.

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