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WorkAsPro
April 20, 2013, 10:54:56 AM
#23
You don't actually need a copy of the whole blockchain!

You only need the recent part of it that deals with the bitcoins you own or receiving or storing.

Right now, everyone stores the whole thing because the blockchain is still pretty small.

But as time goes on, it is likely that the average user won't hold the whole blockchain on only large servers or "bank"-like entities will keep the whole thing.

Excelent, if this is correct, lets do it!

The whole thing could be made avalible as a download by the offical site and backed up elsewhere, maybe as well as being stored in a way that makes it's size more logarithmic over time.

But clients that are designed to exist all over the place, maybe even web clients like most exchanges, they need only store what they use as they use it.
legendary
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April 20, 2013, 10:20:49 AM
#22
It's wonderful you hold these societies in such high esteem. Surely they will bring your salvation when the barbarians are darkening your doorway as has happened to every civilization in history. Your politicians and economists have the answers you are looking for.

Either that or humanity will die out.
It's always been the freedom-fighters and paradigm-shifting philosphers that have led the revolutions and evolution of every new social system. In fact, they are the ones that pay the highest price to defend humanity against itself. It's your politicians and economists that shy away from progress and lead toward austerity and a more Modest Proposal.

Those freedom fighters didn't hoard tokens to inherit their decedents for them to become the new elite.
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April 20, 2013, 10:14:20 AM
#21
It's wonderful you hold these societies in such high esteem. Surely they will bring your salvation when the barbarians are darkening your doorway as has happened to every civilization in history. Your politicians and economists have the answers you are looking for.

Either that or humanity will die out.
It's always been the freedom-fighters and paradigm-shifting philosphers that have led the revolutions and evolution of every new social system. In fact, they are the ones that pay the highest price to defend humanity against itself. It's your politicians and economists that shy away from progress and lead toward austerity and a more Modest Proposal.
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April 20, 2013, 10:04:31 AM
#20
Geeze. Those bastards even hijacked Satoshi! Devious, these freedom lovers, I tell ya.

More likely you freedom lovers are choosing your own plutocrat.
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April 20, 2013, 09:59:17 AM
#19
It's wonderful you hold these societies in such high esteem. Surely they will bring your salvation when the barbarians are darkening your doorway as has happened to every civilization in history. Your politicians and economists have the answers you are looking for.

Either that or humanity will die out.
donator
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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
April 20, 2013, 09:57:41 AM
#18
Bitcoin isn't a flawed technology.
It is just not designed to function as a practical system to build a society on. It was meant as a proof of concept and was hijacked by a weird libertarian cargo cult.
That word has become meaningless in today's Jerry Springer world. This post-modern patriot plutocracy needs a new technology, flawed or not.

That's why the first non-experimental cryptocurrency which comes after Bitcoin has the greatest potential for long term success.
Essentially Bitcoin aims for the same kind of plutocracy we had in the past, that's why it will ultimately become irrelevant.
That word has become meaningless in today's quantum-relativistic pot-smoking Sagan-worshipping, post-modern neo-scientism world. Everything is an experiment. Nothing is black and white, right and wrong like they used to be in the good old days. One day people will look back at how good we had it with Bitcoin and troll the message boards about it.

Not in reality.
The academic societies of Economics, Computer Science and Mathematics don't really care about our sub-culture here. And the one where it comes to Business and Politics cares even less.
It's wonderful you hold these societies in such high esteem. Surely they will bring your salvation when the barbarians are darkening your doorway as has happened to every civilization in history. Your politicians and economists have the answers you are looking for.
legendary
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April 20, 2013, 09:54:45 AM
#17
Bitcoin isn't a flawed technology.
It is just not designed to function as a practical system to build a society on. It was meant as a proof of concept and was hijacked by a weird libertarian cargo cult.
Right. Hijacked.

Quote from: Genesis Block
"The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks"

Quote from: Satoshi Nakamoto
[Bitcoin is] very attractive to the libertarian viewpoint if we can explain it properly. I'm better with code than with words though.

Quote from: Satoshi Nakamoto
Yes, [we will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography,] but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years. Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks like Napster, but pure P2P networks like Gnutella and Tor seem to be holding their own.

Ok maybe it was Bitcoin which hijacked libertarianism.  Wink
I mean there is a certain appeal of Anarchism and Cyberpunk for Libertarians out there, but that doesn't make it the same thing. (Even if you guys to claim you are Anarcho-Capitalists you are not)
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April 20, 2013, 09:52:11 AM
#16
Bitcoin isn't a flawed technology.
It is just not designed to function as a practical system to build a society on. It was meant as a proof of concept and was hijacked by a weird libertarian cargo cult.
Right. Hijacked.

Quote from: Genesis Block
"The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks"

Quote from: Satoshi Nakamoto
[Bitcoin is] very attractive to the libertarian viewpoint if we can explain it properly. I'm better with code than with words though.

Quote from: Satoshi Nakamoto
Yes, [we will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography,] but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years. Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks like Napster, but pure P2P networks like Gnutella and Tor seem to be holding their own.
legendary
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April 20, 2013, 09:30:46 AM
#15
Bitcoin isn't a flawed technology.
It is just not designed to function as a practical system to build a society on. It was meant as a proof of concept and was hijacked by a weird libertarian cargo cult.
That word has become meaningless in today's Jerry Springer world. This post-modern patriot plutocracy needs a new technology, flawed or not.

That's why the first non-experimental cryptocurrency which comes after Bitcoin has the greatest potential for long term success.
Essentially Bitcoin aims for the same kind of plutocracy we had in the past, that's why it will ultimately become irrelevant.
That word has become meaningless in today's quantum-relativistic pot-smoking Sagan-worshipping, post-modern neo-scientism world. Everything is an experiment. Nothing is black and white, right and wrong like they used to be in the good old days. One day people will look back at how good we had it with Bitcoin and troll the message boards about it.

Not in reality.
The academic societies of Economics, Computer Science and Mathematics don't really care about our sub-culture here. And the one where it comes to Business and Politics cares even less.
donator
Activity: 1736
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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
April 20, 2013, 09:16:52 AM
#14
Bitcoin isn't a flawed technology.
It is just not designed to function as a practical system to build a society on. It was meant as a proof of concept and was hijacked by a weird libertarian cargo cult.
That word has become meaningless in today's Jerry Springer world. This post-modern patriot plutocracy needs a new technology, flawed or not.

That's why the first non-experimental cryptocurrency which comes after Bitcoin has the greatest potential for long term success.
Essentially Bitcoin aims for the same kind of plutocracy we had in the past, that's why it will ultimately become irrelevant.
That word has become meaningless in today's quantum-relativistic pot-smoking Sagan-worshipping, post-modern neo-scientism world. Everything is an experiment. Nothing is black and white, right and wrong like they used to be in the good old days. One day people will look back at how good we had it with Bitcoin and troll the message boards about it.
legendary
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April 20, 2013, 08:54:34 AM
#13
Bitcoin isn't a flawed technology.
It is just not designed to function as a practical system to build a society on. It was meant as a proof of concept and was hijacked by a weird libertarian cargo cult.
That word has become meaningless in today's Jerry Springer world. This post-modern patriot plutocracy needs a new technology, flawed or not.

That's why the first non-experimental cryptocurrency which comes after Bitcoin has the greatest potential for long term success.
Essentially Bitcoin aims for the same kind of plutocracy we had in the past, that's why it will ultimately become irrelevant.
donator
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1014
Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
April 20, 2013, 08:24:27 AM
#12
Bitcoin isn't a flawed technology.
It is just not designed to function as a practical system to build a society on. It was meant as a proof of concept and was hijacked by a weird libertarian cargo cult.
That word has become meaningless in today's Jerry Springer world. This post-modern patriot plutocracy needs a new technology, flawed or not.
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April 20, 2013, 08:13:39 AM
#11
Bitcoin is an implementation of crypto-currency that has shown that it can work. Bitcoin failed to forecast the consequences of wild speculation (or if it forecasted, then Satoshi is a real evil person) and other problems, but crypto-currencies are still a sound idea. In my opinion, unless all those  problems are solved bitcoin will fail, and other not yet existing crypto-currency, designed to solve those problems, will be able to succeed
legendary
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April 20, 2013, 06:25:54 AM
#10
Bitcoin isn't a flawed technology.
It is just not designed to function as a practical system to build a society on. It was meant as a proof of concept and was hijacked by a weird libertarian cargo cult.
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Bitcoin Venezuela
April 20, 2013, 06:22:30 AM
#9
- Electrum servers
- Pruned clients (Bitcoin Wallet, Multibit...)
- Unspent coins (pruned blockchain)
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newbie
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April 20, 2013, 06:20:45 AM
#8
I agree with the flawed part, but not on the reason:
You can simply use a safe ewallet like the blockchain.info.
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April 19, 2013, 09:20:39 PM
#7
You don't actually need a copy of the whole blockchain!

You only need the recent part of it that deals with the bitcoins you own or receiving or storing.

Right now, everyone stores the whole thing because the blockchain is still pretty small.

But as time goes on, it is likely that the average user won't hold the whole blockchain on only large servers or "bank"-like entities will keep the whole thing.
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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
April 19, 2013, 09:12:27 PM
#6
@OP:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=search

Parameters:
Search for: Block chain compression
Search in: Development & Technical Discussion (make sure to check all sub-boards)

Next time you find a flaw (Wild guess says the next thing you hit on will be deflation) Try searching for that, before you post.

Also look on here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Main_Page
legendary
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April 19, 2013, 08:59:52 PM
#5
Bitcoins biggest flaw is that it depends upon the existence of moors law? I'm ok with that im pretty sure moors law is real.
legendary
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April 19, 2013, 08:57:46 PM
#4
Alright everyone, it's time to quit the experiment.

The OP has discovered something that nobody at any point during the last four years noticed before, and certainly haven't talked about ad nauseam on this forum as well as written wiki pages about.

This problem is clearly insolvable so we should just give up now. I can't believe we missed this the entire time.
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